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BILL MOYERS: Welcome. Inequality matters. You will hear people say it doesn’t, but they are usually so high up the ladder they can’t even see those at the bottom. The distance between the first and the least in America is vast and growing.

The Washington Post recently took a look at two counties in Florida and found that people who live in the more affluent St. Johns County live longer than those who live next door in less rich Putnam County. The Post concluded: “The widening gap in life expectancy between these two adjacent Florida counties reflects perhaps the starkest outcome of the nation’s growing economic inequality: Even as the nation’s life expectancy has marched steadily upward…a growing body of research shows that those gains are going mostly to those at the upper end of the income ladder.”

That’s true across America. In California’s Silicon Valley, Apple, Facebook and Google, among others, have reinvented the Gold Rush. But down the road in San Jose it’s not so pretty a picture. Do the math: in an area where one fourth of the population earn an average of about $19,000 dollars a year, rent alone can average more than $20,000 dollars a year, and that difference adds up to homelessness. We talked to Associated Press reporter Martha Mendoza, who brought this story to our attention.

MARTHA MENDOZA: I’ve been a journalist in this area for 25 years, and during that time it has gone from having a pretty robust middleclass to being an area where you see this great divide of wealthy and poor, and nowhere do you see that more than in the Silicon Valley, where 25 years ago this was a place of orchards and farms and ranching and small businesses, and it has completely changed now so that you have incredibly wealthy people and incredibly poor people and a growing gap. Homelessness has increased dramatically. In the shadow of Google, in the shadow of Oracle, in the shadow of Apple Computer, you have people who are hungry.

CINDY CHAVEZ: People had this believe that somehow Silicon Valley was paved with gold—and I would even say my parents, coming from New Mexico, all those years ago when I was very small, I mean they came here looking for opportunity. They wanted to be in a place that it didn’t matter what their ethnicity or culture was, it didn’t matter what their class was, that they really could put their stake in the ground, buy a home and grow a family. I think that’s a dream that a lot of people come to Silicon Valley with, and one of the problems is that it’s not like that for everybody. We have really been a tale of two cities for really a long time.

RUSSELL HANCOCK: Our economic expansion is pretty staggering, people have referred to it as the longest, most sustained, largest, legal wealth creation in the history of the planet. We have very high-income, highest in the nation. We also have very low. We’ve got both. And what’s actually happening right now is a hollowing out in the middle. Now, this is a national phenomenon, but it seems to be particularly acute in Silicon Valley. We’re still generating on the high end—engineers and scientists and coders. But the support positions, manufacturing, you’re not going to see that in Silicon Valley anymore.

MARTHA MENDOZA: They would manufacture silicon chips here in the early days. And I was just the other day looking for anybody making wafers anymore, and there’s not.

THERESA FRIGGE: I used to work with National Semiconductor. I worked in masking. I made that silicon chip. I’m the one who put the programs on that chip, I’m the one who inspected them. I’ve cleaned houses, I have taken care of disabled people. I’m 54 years old, I’ve got nothing.

MARTHA MENDOZA: What happened was, in the Silicon Valley 15 years ago, during the first boom, for every five jobs they were adding, they were building two units of housing. So that jacked up the housing prices to what fights for the most expensive housing in the country. Sometimes it’s first place. Sometimes it’s second place. People who had blue-collar jobs were getting paid 10, 15, 20 bucks an hour, and when their jobs went away they were largely unskilled and could take jobs that paid $8 an hour. That would be the minimum wage in San Jose for the past 15 years. As of last week, they raised it to $10 an hour. Now, on that type of wages, you can’t rent an apartment, you can’t buy food, and you can’t handle the transportation expenses, which can be very high. And so you end up—in some cases you find people living three or four families to an apartment, or people move into homeless shelters or people leave the area.

DANIEL GARCIA: This is my tent. This is where I live. I’ve got my transportation, my bike. I have electricity that I run by car battery. I worked at a restaurant at Google. They have, I don’t know, I guess sixteen or eighteen full-blown restaurants you can go eat at when you work there, for free. I never heard of that in my life. They started doing background checks and they did a background check on me. I’m a convicted felon, so they couldn’t keep me there anymore. Right now, I do yard work for people, stuff like that. I find bikes I fix them up and resell them.

MARTHA MENDOZA: In many communities you see the homeless people, you see them living in the streets, you see them begging downtown, or busking. In the Silicon Valley, this is a lot of freeway living and the homeless people they live along the creeks, or in parks, but where people aren’t going to see them, so it’s more of a hidden problem.

CINDY CHAVEZ: We had a family visit us, mother, father and three children, and they are homeless, and they’re homeless because the father is a gardener, he works three days a week, he makes $75 dollars every day he works. The mother lost her job in manufacturing. It took one paycheck to move them from their apartment onto the street. And that’s true for a lot of families in our community. At some point and I do worry about this, like I think is it all sudden that the country splits in half are we creating literally two Americas?

MARTHA MENDOZA: Silicon Valley has the brainpower and has the risky personality to do some really innovative things when it comes to poverty. And I even think there’s a will to do this, but I think there is a lack of awareness, and hopefully a growing awareness because I do think there’s been brilliance out of that region that has changed the world. So wouldn’t it be something if that area could also be the one that sparks the brilliance that starts to solve this really major problem?

BILL MOYERS: Let’s hope so, because inequality in America is now at the greatest level in modern history and shows no signs of abating. And paradoxically, this week it got worse. The stock market reached new levels, making the rich richer and the press euphoric.

NEWS ANCHOR 1: And the gavel goes down on an historic day on Wall Street.

NEWS ANCHOR 2: Roaring stock markets.

NEWS ANCHOR 3: The S&P just hit another record intraday high.

NEWS ANCHOR 4: Dow’s above 14.8.

NEWS ANCHOR 5: The NASDAQ rose about 60 points.

BILL MOYERS: No one stopped to point out that when the market goes up, it can mean companies have fired workers in order to increase investor profits. Sure enough, the latest figures show employment has barely risen and more rank-and-file Americans have gone missing from the job market altogether. The Commerce Department reports that personal income fell 3.6 percent in January – that’s the sharpest one-month dive in twenty years. It sure seems like the Roaring 20s all over again -- people at the top living it up while those down below lose their livelihood.

Which brings us to our nation’s capital -- rich in alabaster symbols of representative government yet shamelessly cynical in writing laws and bending rules to favor the one percent. And that includes the tax code.

So on Monday, when you send in your tax returns, think about this. Corporate profits are at record highs. But have those companies invested that in new jobs? No. Did they at least give their workers a bump in pay? Hardly. Surely they shelled out a little more in taxes to help refurbish the social structure – highways, bridges, schools, libraries, parks – where they do business! Guess again. Corporations are sitting on $1.7 trillion of cash. Look at this report just published by PIRG -- the Public Interest Research Group -- on how average citizens and small businesses have to make up the $90 billion giant companies save by shifting profits to offshore tax havens. Among the 83 publicly traded corporations named: Pfizer, which for the past five years reported no taxable income in the US, even as it made 40 percent of its sales here.

Microsoft, which avoided $4.5 billion in taxes over three years by shifting its income to Puerto Rico. Citigroup, which maintains 20 subsidiaries in tax havens and has over 42 and a half billion dollars sitting off-shore. Taxes collected here at home? Zero.

It’s not only corporations stashing their swag abroad. The Center for Public Integrity in Washington and its International Consortium of Investigative Journalists recently got their hands on two and a half million files from offshore bank accounts and shell companies set up around the world by the wealthy. Among those documents are the names of 4,000 Americans who hid their money in secret tax havens. Here’s how they do it:

FEMALE VOICE: You can easily set up a secret company using one of hundreds of off-shore agents. Let’s look at the British Virgin Islands, home to half a million offshore companies. That’s about 40 percent of the offshore companies on the planet. You can buy a ready-made shell company or create your own secret company from scratch in about three days, for just over $1,000. You may be asked to produce documents to establish your identity and they might check your name in a database, to see if you’re a terrorist. But don’t worry, while the system may catch the big fish, it still lets scores of fraudsters and criminals slip through the net.

BILL MOYERS: So it shouldn’t surprise us to learn that the United States collects less in taxes as a share of its economy than all but two other industrialized countries. Only Chile and Mexico collect less. Chile and Mexico. Right now a powerful group of CEO's, multi-millionaires and billionaires are calling on Congress to fix the debt. And their enablers in both parties are glad to oblige. Okay. But why not fix the debt by raising more taxes from those who can afford to pay? Close the loopholes. Shut down the tax havens. Cancel the Mitt Romney Clause Congress enacted, allowing big winners to pay a tax rate far less than their chauffeurs, nannies, and gardeners.

Instead, as we speak, our political class in Washington is attempting to fix the debt by sequestration – Washington doublespeak for bleeding services for veterans and the elderly, the sick and poor, for kids in Head Start.

Marching in lockstep beneath a banner that now stands for “Guardians of Privilege” -- GOP -- Republicans refuse to raise revenues, while Democrats have a president whose new budget contains gimmicks that could lead to cuts in Social Security. Social Security! The one universal safety net -- and a modest one at that – and yet the main source of purchasing power for millions of aging Americans. This, from a Democrat – the heir of Franklin Delano Roosevelt who pulled us to our feet when the Great Depression had America on its knees.

FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVELT: This Social Security measure gives at least some protection to thirty millions of our citizens who will reap direct benefits through unemployment compensation, through old-age pensions and through increased services for the protection of children and the prevention of ill health.

BILL MOYERS: But those were the days when our political system rallied to the defense of everyday Americans. Now a petty, narcissistic, pridefully ignorant politics has come to dominate and paralyze our government, while millions of people keep falling through the gaping hole that has turned us into the United States of Inequality.

Warren Buffett, the savviest capitalist of them all, may have written this era’s epitaph: “If there was a class war, my class won.”

Bill Moyers Essay: The United States of Inequality

April 12, 2013

The unprecedented level of economic inequality in America is undeniable. In an extended essay, Bill shares examples of the striking extremes of wealth and poverty across the country, including a video report on California’s Silicon Valley. There, Facebook, Google, and Apple are minting millionaires, while the area’s homeless — who’ve grown 20 percent in the last two years — are living in tent cities at their virtual doorsteps.

“A petty, narcissistic, pridefully ignorant politics has come to dominate and paralyze our government,” says Bill, “while millions of people keep falling through the gaping hole that has turned us into the United States of Inequality.”

Producer: Julia Conley. Editor: Sikay Tang.
“Homeless in High Tech’s Shadow” Producer/Editor: Lauren Feeney. Field Producer/Camera: Cameron Hickey.

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  • Richie

    As long as corporations are ‘people’ and money runs politics, taxes won’t be raised on the wealthy and big corporations because that is precisely who politicians receive the ‘contributions’ from.

  • Mucksiegooma

    We are reverting back to what was experienced during the “Robber Baron” era. A small handful of people owning the lion’s share of the wealth and exploiting the workers. History repeats itself!

  • Richard Deforest

    I deeply appreciate Bill Moyers’ continued dilligence in conern for the common man. Today New York Times also featured Choefn Joseph Plenty’s plea to “Save Wounded Knee”. As a former South Dakotan and every-year visitor to the Reservation…I am anguished that that grat scene of tragedy can become just one more scene of Land-Auction…depriving a suffering Native People of a Sacred Site…..another triumph by the White Invaders.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    “Largest Legal Wealth Creation” Interesting take on wealth building….. TOTAL LIE. TO create wealth on the backs of economic slavery is no different from the wealth created from slavery of any other period. Especially today when you can buy the legislation to make legal what was previously illegal. Nicely wrapped up language in a way that a liberal media would eat up.

  • sarno

    Why is inequality bad? If we can raise the standard of living for everyone, why should inequality matter? It’s time to get rid of policy’s that hurt advancement (lack of choice choice, a push for real excellence in education, encourage risk taking by not overtaxing anyone, and foster values of family, marriage and hard work!)

  • Yogi

    When the oppression of the many by the few (whether by political, social or economic means) reaches the breaking point, history shows that revolution is inevitable. It seems to me that the United States will, in the not too distant future, face the choice of reform or revolt.

  • Mkmo

    Texas has the most uninsured in the nation and is making it so difficult for women to get their birth control pills and proper health care. The emphasis is on bringing new business in and supporting the new oil fracking economy. Sad state of affairs. More and more poor people are camping out on the hospital emergency rooms. Three I know of recently were in dire strait and they could have been treated for so much less cost earlier if we only had affordable health care options for the poor.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    WOW where do we start here……You missed apple pie and baseball.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Inequality is bad when the very conditions for s decent life is well lost. I have no problem with the wealthy being rich, I have a problem with the poor being too poor.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    If you have not noticed, competition and choice in America has evaporated in almost every area of our service and manufacturing sector.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Educational cost has also reached such an extreme level that the student debt effectively leaves the poor out of the system and the value of the education is poorer than many nations that invest a fraction of the same money.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    The hard work is leaving the good old USA, the only people making money are the people that do nothing to deserve it. GM makes more financing cars than making them. and this is true across the board.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    The idea that America has “Family Value” is a mockery if you look at the poverty we exact on the majority of people who still work and the adverse effects this has on what is left of a family when mom and dad not only have one job, but two each.

  • Ronnie

    Perhaps Bill screwed up using the word inequality. Because the points he makes are really about injustice; inequality is a symptom. It has become painfully obvious that the laws of America, and their interpretation, are focusing on justice for property, not people. The intentions of those at the top of the heap have their logic, even Citizens United has its own justifying logic; but it is hideous when measured against the honest and moral conscious of a just people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/egrieco3 Elizabeth Grieco

    You couldn’t have said it better Bill Moyesr! A selfish group, called the 1% just surround themselves with material things to deny their pathway to heaven. The meek shall inherit the world and the ‘Kingdom of Heaven’. And those who think are going to heaven with their riches, will more then likely end up in the fires of Hell!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    This is exactly why religion serves the best interests of the powerful. As long as the many in the church think divine justice awaits the selfish in heaven, on earth, they will be allowed to continue to take everything.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    I can’t believe the speaker in Moyers’ video was allowed to talk about the Wealth Creating in America as the “Largest Legal Wealth Creation”…LEGAL, How was it LEGAL? Bill you should call this quote out, as I think one can say you did in your address, but call it out directly when you can…

  • annette klover

    I’ve been watching the weekly “new claims for unemployment” numbers. Each week, for MONTHS, has had over 300,000 new claims. Does this mean that there are over a million lost jobs every month?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barry-Wendell-Jackson/100001527940319 Barry Wendell Jackson

    Welcome to the Global Plutocracy, of the Plutocrats, by the Plutocrats, and for the Plutocrats. Read Chrystia Freeland, “PLUTOCRATS, THE RISE of the NEW GLOBAL SUPER-RICH and the FALL of EVERYONE ELSE

  • Bruce Ingraham

    From the Robber Baron age:

    We must drive the special interests out of
    politics.… There can be no effective control of corporations while their political activity remains. To put an end to it will neither be a short not an
    easy task, but it can be done. — Teddy Roosevelt

  • Mike

    For 40 years, all $ benefits of growth have gone to the top 1 percent. Further, our culture of eternal growth is destroying the environment and our neighborhoods. It is time to go for a steady state economy. See Growthbusters.org

  • http://www.facebook.com/qwiknf Steve Irwin

    Maybe we don’t need more taxes on the books. We need to have the stones to collect them.

  • Anonymous

    That footage with FDR encapsulates the Right’s worst nightmare: The New Deal. Their policy ever since that day has been to roll it back and eventually make it disappear entirely. They hadn’t had much luck with that until Ronald Reagan appeared on the scene. Whilst most people, if they ever thought about it at all, saw the New Deal as a done deal, the Right saw its chance and went to work over several presidencies. They didn’t, and don’t, consider their work to be finished even after Dubya’s 8 years in office and they saw President Obama’s first term as a temporary set-back. His re-election over their greatest champion yet, Mitt Romney, is a major blow to their hopes, especially when coupled to the demographics that are coming to light. Expect them to try anything and everything to prevent a return to New Deal-style policies.

  • ZenoBZenly .

    The rich build castles and try to hide from the poor, but they cannot hide from their own shadows. The “world’s greatest investor” (mentioned at the end of this report) made a fortune off a company that peddles caffeinated carbonated sugar drinks to our children, gives them ADD and early diabetes, and he calls it my “greatest investment.” Thank you Mr. B! And the media still worships these people.

  • http://meadonmanhattan.com/ Howard Freeman

    If by “religion” you mean something like Hinduism, then you’re right: the “just world” theology favors those who are rich. But if you’re talking about Christianity and, in particular, the reformed branch of the church, you’re wrong. Reformed Christians believe that justice is necessary in this world and that Christ is most honored and experienced in helping to bring that about. To put a fine point on it, Christians are the least satisfied with injustices: they see them as something God is deeply unhappy with and feel they must work toward rectifying them here on earth.

  • http://www.facebook.com/steve.steven.1610 Steve Steven

    I wish there were more Bill Moyers in this world. Sadly, even the media is all about corporate America.

  • http://twitter.com/thirdcloud Thirdcloud

    You are correct in this conclusion. However, there has been much preparation in anticipation of this inevitable breaking point. NDAA, Militarization of our police, CISPA and on and on. The powers that be will use these forces to maintain their hold on weatlh and continue the oppression that comes with social and economic inequality.

  • Peter Gatliff

    Tent city just a 1/2 mile from my home. This story is about the have’s overthrowing our government at the cost of the have not’s. The “Business Plot” never went away.

  • http://www.facebook.com/walter.martin.338 Walter Martin

    I find it curious that with the ever rising concern over the
    enormous inequality of the haves versus the have-nots what we do not see is a
    counter argument made by the 1% in support of their gargantuan bank accounts. .
    . . The point being there isn’t one. Gluttonous narcissistic hubris is, after
    all, difficult to justify. It is easy to sell revolution to a starving person.
    I fear the road ahead.

  • http://www.facebook.com/DaleSeachord Dale Seachord

    I really hope you’re right about that, because the mainstream versions of Christianity I am aware of all support the GOP and right wing politics. They talk the talk of looking out for the poor and they do a little; a little. But the vast strength of their efforts in changing laws is all on the side of changing social behavior , i.e. marriage laws, abortion laws and the like. They are good at the talk of the Bible but they all own large wealthy homes and all have good jobs and feel that that is a sign of God’s love. (so, though they don’t say it, I guess that means if you don’t have those things then God doesn’t love you as much).

  • Jo in Minneapolis

    When I stumble upon reality TV which feature “housewives” or famous sisters, it is clear how our values are being eroded and changed. $2000 for a handbag or shoes, $35000 for a designer dress (not even a new dress) while bridges are falling down and Social Security is under attack…Makes my heart sink.

  • http://www.facebook.com/johnnyomaha Johnny L Waller

    The Greatest country on earth! Only in America…SAD..Made in the USA….

  • leeh

    aiding the greedy gathering of our wealth by the 1% is the unreasoning adherence to Republican values by large numbers of blue/white collar citizens- Why? Why are they promoting their own collapse into poverty?
    They live in their reinforcing bubble. They feed each other obvious lies. I am concerned about the future of our almost-democracy…

  • http://www.facebook.com/susan.campoccio Susan Campoccio

    maybe the plan is to oft all the poor; that is one method of population control…:(

  • Anonymous

    Thank you Bill Moyers for continuing to prod us to “Wake Up.”

  • http://meadonmanhattan.com/ Howard Freeman

    I think you’re right about the mainstream versions of Christianity, and I also think you’re right about hypocrisy among Christians–media interpretation or not. But that’s a human nature thing, not a Christian-only thing.

    But what you have chosen to see and/or comment on ignores what Christians throughout history and currently have done and are doing. Some are historic figures (MLK Jr., Mother Teresa, Dietrich Bonhoeffer) and some are anonymous Christians, like the ones in Roman times who stayed behind during the plague to help their neighbors. Even secular writers at the time extolled their sacrifices. You are excoriating (perhaps justifiably) those Christians who spend too much on themselves and not enough on others. That said, Christians are by any official study the most generous with giving away money and time. Take out Christian generosity, and American charity looks a lot worse.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1580880593 Ruth Crook

    Oh goody! That would mean that if the 1% get to double their wealth, then I would get to live on $48k instead of $24k!! And the price of everything would be twice as high as it is now!!

    Be still, my heart!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000023548547 Stephenie Blakemore

    Ugh, it is disgusting and the house of cards will fall hard on all of us.

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.gregson.18 Deborah Gregson

    What is too poor, too rich? Don’t the poor want to be rich? It’s not bad to be rich if you’re poor and win the Lotto, or American Idol, are a ball player or actor – only if you are in corporate business that’s been chosen by the few to harass. Who decides? Bill Gates – ok, Apple & Steve Jobs ok; Pfizer or Procter & Gamble not. Why? One gives computers out free, the other gives life saving medications out free. As for our poor being too poor, many Americans need to travel abroad to see poor. We do have people who are in dire need of help, but the majority of our “poor” have the opportunity, ability, access to programs and aide to not stay poor, and would be considered pretty comfortable in many countries.

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.gregson.18 Deborah Gregson

    You’re right that college costs too much, but that’s been caused by a lot of fluff that has been added to college course listings that have little to do with giving them a solid educational foundation on which to build their working future. I also think that many kids who go to college should instead go to a technical school, because someone who wants to be a mechanic doesn’t need the same courses as someone who wants to be an English teacher. I disagree on your point that poor kids are left out of the system based on financial reasons. The availability of college loans, scholarships, grants, & options for going to college means most kids should be able to go if they want (start with great grades in HS, go to your local community college the first two years & get great grades, transfer to a nearby State college for your last two years; be sure to hunt everywhere for any grants & scholarships you can possibly find, do creative funding, work part or full time – if you want it badly enough it can be done.)

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.gregson.18 Deborah Gregson

    YES, YOU FINALLY GOT IT! That’s because EVERYONE GETS A TROPHY. Everyone wins, no losers, we’re all equals, we should all have the same stuff, we all deserve to have part of the wealth of the rich. RIGHT? Explain, please, if there’s NO COMPETITION, if I don’t have to work for my money, and the rich dude HAS TO GIVE HIS TO ME, how will that work over the long run? What happens two generations from now when all the kids have figured out that the effort put out to attain wealth, only to have it taken away isn’t worth it, so they decide to join the ones who collect wealth? What happens when there are no wealth producers, only wealth takers? You must understand history, something not taught well in school because “they” don’t want you to think upon these things.

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.gregson.18 Deborah Gregson

    Sarcasm does not make for good debate.

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.gregson.18 Deborah Gregson

    The good paying jobs have gone to other countries because the wages are soooo much lower than here, due to raises in minimum wage laws and unions. If producer has to pay a new worker with no skills $10.00/hr with benefits in the US, but only pays a worker $2.00 a day in India, it is in the manufactures best interest to produce in India. Unless Americans are willing to buy t-shirts for $30 each instead of $6.99 at Walmart, it’s going to stay like this. BTW Best Buy, Circuit City, Rooms To Go, pay day loans, RentACenter all make their money off their loan programs & extended warranties, it’s how they make their money.

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.gregson.18 Deborah Gregson

    You have got to be kidding! Example please. If this were true then there would be no WIC programs, no Medicaid for children, conservatives wouldn’t be wacko about the anti-abortion/anti-gay issues, there would be limits on how many children a woman could have & not be married or limits on the number of fathers she could have kids by. It’s more likely those that want to save our planet, our environment, and encourage minimalism are the ones who prefer that we have limits on the number of children families have.

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.gregson.18 Deborah Gregson

    Grown-up adults bought the stuff and gave it to their kids and themselves to drink when water and milk were cheaper and better options. No one made them buy this junk and feed it to their family. Individual responsibility, mature behavior, parental decision making is needed. YOU helped build the wealth of these people because you didn’t have the sense to say “No.”

  • Anonymous

    1) No one’s talking about the wealthy giving all their money to the poor. But do they really all work that much harder than someone standing over a greasy stove slinging burgers 50 hours a week? Are they producing more? Maybe sometimes, but not the hundreds of times more than the average person makes per hour. And many of them produce nothing, living off of investment income. What your missing in ALL of your comments is that we are quickly moving toward a “plutocratic oligarchy”, in which the wealthy create legislation designed to further increase their wealth at the expense of everyone else.
    2) Minimum wages are designed to require employers to pay a “living wage”. This means how much someone needs to survive — basic survival: food, housing, clothing, transportation for employment. All minimum wages already fall below this, which means creative survival for the those not paid more than minimum wage. Minimum wages are hardly the source of this problem.

  • ruben in sf

    How to wage war against a Tsunami?

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.gregson.18 Deborah Gregson

    How is it illegal? How are they breaking the law? Watching the video it seems that some people who moved to Silicone Valley for the gold rush made a mistake and need to reevaluate their decision. Numbers? The homeless, the poor who have lost because of our economy, have been hugely affected by the disasters that have happened since 2008. Many bought homes that were more than they could really afford, then the loss of a job means the loss of their home; people spend money instead of saving to protect themselves in an emergency like the loss of a job.

    I’d like to know where Mr. Moyers invests his money, what his tax bracket is, how much money he donates to charitable groups and if it lowers his taxable income and thereby his tax bracket (how did the President & First Lady have taxable income over $600,000 yet be in an 18% tax bracket?)

  • http://www.facebook.com/catharinet Catharine Tyler

    Inequality is bad when it is based on injustice. This isn’t about rising on one’s merits, it’s about the accelerating unraveling of the economic and social fabric that provides a foundation for just the values you are talking about.

  • http://www.facebook.com/catharinet Catharine Tyler

    It is nice when the rich and successful can give things to poor people and yet there is something insidiously wrong with that kind of control concentrated in the hands of a few. Those of us who don’t make a lot of money would like the opportunity to purchase our own computer, thank you very much, based on rules of employment that pay a living wage for hard work. The attitude of the wealthy is very similar, as someone said earlier, to the robber barons of the Gilded Age–disdainful if not oblivious to the poor around them, as if there were no connection between them, even as human beings. Read “A Christmas Carol,” by Charles Dickens! And yes, you are right that there is poverty so much worse in other places. But we tout ourselves as the richest nation in the world. We are not the richest “nation,” we just have a preponderance of extremely wealthy people who live here who really believe that they earned this on their own…

  • http://www.facebook.com/catharinet Catharine Tyler

    You ask an important question, but the word I have a problem with is “his,” meaning that the wealth accumulated simply belongs to the guy who is at the top. “He” didn’t get there on his own, believe me. It doesn’t work that way. It doesn’t mean to take away the competition, the striving, the ability to do well, it’s just that we don’t operate in a vacuum. I think you are also referring to those who are not employees or the guy’s gardener but people who seemingly have no connection to this guy–and why should they get a piece of his pie? It’s about contributing our fair share to the community. It seems that you view people who need help or who are poor as moochers. No, they are people just like everyone else (with surprisingly few exceptions, the real moochers). They are people who lost their jobs, people who got sick, people who have both parents and children to care for, people who have been born into poverty and have had little chance to break out of it. We need to see each other as worthy human beings, no matter what our socioeconomic status is, and that, if we take care of each other, we are stronger and richer for it. This isn’t just in human costs but the economics you are talking about, too. I think the guy at the top would do well to acknowledge his debt to his employees and his ability to create a safer, stronger community around him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/catharinet Catharine Tyler

    Thank you!

  • http://www.facebook.com/catharinet Catharine Tyler

    I don’t know, but it seems to point to what Moyers was saying about the disconnect between the stock market boom and the poor jobs-creation reports.

  • http://www.facebook.com/catharinet Catharine Tyler

    Alas, do we have the political will to do this, this time around? I WISH people would revisit Charles DIckens’ “A Christmas Carol.” Written in that era, it resonates all over again today. Oh well,….

  • Jonathan Shaw

    I don’t begrudge the rich making a lot of money. I think making a profit is a great motivator for innovation, but I also believe in good public education and baisc safety net for without it you have a nation of people who cannot function in a globalized economy due to lack of skills leading to all sorts of social ills. I do begrudge the rich and the corporations not playing by the same rules as everyone else. Having a multi-billion dollar company paying no taxes is obscene by any measure especially when the lower end workers are paying 20%+ of their minimum wage back to the government. Close the loopholes and prosecute the tax havens before there is nothing left and put some of the criminals in jail -hopefully sharing the cell with the guy who had to steal so he could eat.

  • Anonymous

    So true, Thirdcloud. I believe drones are a part of the anticipation of which you speak. The people can have as many guns (fiasco regarding this is only a detraction for the people) as their houses can hold, but they will be of no use when domestic terrorism by our own government in collusion with the wealthy comes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/catharinet Catharine Tyler

    I agree. I would love to see Moyers on instead of the evening news! What a stir that would cause! We do need more journalists with his courage, insight, and compassion.

  • Anonymous

    What you see happening is what happens when we allow govt and business or any large organization conspire to change the rules of the game (which the Govt enforces) from equal opportunity to favortism. and its the direct result of we the people keep voting in the same politicans even when its obvious that they don’t know what they are really doing or are corrupt etc.

  • Anonymous

    The REAL moochers are the big corporations who use all our tax-paid infrastructure to make their billions, take government subsidies from our tax dollars, and then use offshore holdings in order to avoid paying taxes which would support the country that has made them so wealthy. Oil and gas companies are paid from tax money to explore for the oil that they’re getting filthy rich from. Big agriculture is the same. They don’t need our tax dollars.

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.gregson.18 Deborah Gregson

    If you won a Powerball for a million dollars, and the dudes at the office where you go to get your money tell you that the best choice is for you to set up a bank account in Finland to direct deposit the money into as a lump sum then have it transferred in small monthly amounts to specially set up investment accounts so you keep as much of the money as possible; instead of the alternative of taking the lump sum but the Federal Govt. takes about 50-60%, state taxes could be another 10-20%, and then continues to take those percentages out of any gain you have on the interest you make on the money you’ve invested or put into saving accounts, leaving you with about 20% of the money you won, which choice would you make and why?

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.gregson.18 Deborah Gregson

    How are workers exploited? Are they forced to work at the jobs they have? Could they move up in the company, get more training and a better paying job, move to another part of the country for a job that offers better opportunities for advancement?

  • Anonymous

    The disasters started in 2001 with the lie to invade Iraq so Halliburton, Cheney, Bush, etc., could get richer off our tax dollars. People bought homes because banks were deceptive in getting them to buy in many cases; people lose many jobs because Wall Street companies have to make huge profits to pay off wealthy investors so they downsize or send jobs overseas for cheap labor; how can anyone save money making barely minimum wage?

  • Anonymous

    The one thing you’ve said in all this that I agree with is that people want to pay less for things at Walmart. America is going to have to realize if we want to put a stop to this we’re going to have to buy less and buy American-made even if it costs more. I buy shoes from San Antonio and have very few of them because they are expensive, and then San Antonio Shoe Company gives big bonuses and good wages to their employees.

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.gregson.18 Deborah Gregson

    Yes, the laws of the US are based on an INDIVIDUALS RIGHT TO OWN AND PROTECT THEIR PROPERTY. That’s because property ownership gives one a vested right and interest in the decision making process of this country. That’s why the Founding Fathers limited voting to people who owned property, because they had a dog in the fight. Voting on issues when the effect of the outcome doesn’t affect you makes for bad decision making. But the Constitution is totally based on protecting individual freedom and liberty, because these people were fed up with a government that could take property with little cause, could imprison you because of what you said or wrote, could force you to pay taxes without allowing a vote by the citizens, could shut down your business by embargo, could send you to prison without a trial, imprison you without cause, could send you to hard labor because you owed money you couldn’t pay back, and demanded you follow the religion of the monarchy. People in this new country had an opportunity to work hard, move out to remote areas and establish their own farms, homesteads, businesses, grow, prosper, fail, good luck or bad, but they had the freedom to try (yes, for now let’s leave out the racial discussion, no time to write a textbook).

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.gregson.18 Deborah Gregson

    Maybe true, but the question is who are the many and who are the few? I feel the many are the hard working middle class who are trying to make a little more money to cushion themselves so they don’t lose everything in case a disaster overcomes them, and those in the lower class who want a shot at a full-time job or better paying job; and the few progressive social elitist at the top of the economic, political, educational and social scale mean to oppress those who want to improve themselves and attain a better status because they’ve decided that they know what the rest of us need and don’t need, have and shouldn’t have, deserve and don’t deserve. You are correct that those conflicts could lead to social unrest. When intellectual elitists decide that they know what is best for the citizens who they believe are too simple to get it, they begin to amass power and use class, race and social propaganda to justify their takeover of a system of personal freedom, accountability and independence. They may not represent the majority, but they takeover the political conversation and decision making thereby changing the course of a nation. We’ve started down that road and I really don’t see us turning back, so I don’t see a need for the frightened concerns any of you are voicing here. It’s ones like me that are to be disappointed because it’s the country of free choice, individual responsibility, hard work, self motivation, neighbor and family helping each other, charitable kindness, belief in moral standards and in God that is being lost, and turned into one that I honestly believe will not benefit all of you who are hoping for miracles.

    I’ve over stayed my time. I appreciate this opportunity to discuss with all of you who have stated your ideas. It keeps my mind sparkly and gives me a chance to remember a great professor I had at Santa Rosa Jr. College, Cliff Hodder, who gave us a reading assignment, The Greening of America. I disagreed with pretty much all of the points the author made, but backed up with facts and alternatives, so he was objective and fair in grading. He became a good friend and mentor, teaching me that people don’t have to agree, they need to have respect for each other and discuss their ideas, and see if there’s any way to work stuff out for everyone’s benefit.

  • Anonymous

    Ummm….no. They limited the vote to people like themselves because they only trusted themselves.

  • http://twitter.com/perlindqvist Per Lindqvist

    Wow, Deborah. Time for a reality check. People who have a fulltime job are in this times not going to quite their jobs easily. In the company I work for, I will receive about $1 extra if I go from fulltime hourly coworker to fulltime salaried manager.

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.gregson.18 Deborah Gregson

    Define economic slavery. What has been made legal by legislation that was previously illegal that has resulted in economic slavery? The people who started Microsoft and Apple (the ones I remember from the vid) all started out as middle class kids, no college grads, with their own money who took a risk. I don’t get your anger, unless it comes from jealously.

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.gregson.18 Deborah Gregson

    So the sisters should be forced to pay to fix bridges? Forced to bail out Social Security? Who decides what they can and can’t buy? Where their money goes? How much they get to keep? This direction of thinking makes mo sense to me.

  • Anonymous

    Keep up the good work Mr. Moyers. At least there is someone out there who remembers what America is supposed to be about.

  • Anonymous

    “the few progressive social elitist at the top of the economic, political, educational and social scale mean to oppress those who want to improve themselves…” Which world are you living in?

    The world where “progressive” Elizabeth Warren who wants to have banks comply with the law and execute their operations transparently, or the world where “progressive” Charles Koch minimizes mine safety and funds institutions to lie about science?

  • IdahoEmptyNester

    She didn’t suggest that. You are missing her point. She is talking about values.

  • Mr Freeze

    Interesting you should use the example of receiving “unearned” $ from a lottery. Much of the money being “hidden” via the kind of non-tax-paying schemes you describe is exactly that: “unearned” income. Much of it is money that was never generated by “work” but merely created by ponzi schemes and fancy accounting tricks (can you fathom “carried interest?”).

    You are, of course, engaging in the “the government is ‘confiscating’ my money” narrative which always has an emotional appeal to anti-tax folk. I’m afraid that the government has the legal right to collect taxes and should do so.

    Also, it’s always “our friends at the water cooler” who complain that the roads are crappy, that the schools don’t work and that our national infrastructure is falling apart.” Yes, they are the same people who love to give advice about not paying taxes to pay for these things.

  • Mr Freeze

    Actually, yes. The “sisters” and everyone else need to pay for the infrastructures that allow all this so-called “free enterprise” to flourish. It doesn’t just “fix” itself.

  • Mr Freeze

    Deborah, please spare us the shallow history lesson…..and just for the record…all those people who homesteaded in “this new country” also helped perpetrate a genocide against the native people of “this new country.” There was a lot of carnage and terrible stuff that helped create this country…….The pride you feel in the “myth” of the American story is precisely that: a myth.

  • Mr Freeze

    Actually, my accountant tells me that many of his clients paid federal tax rates around 18%. And they do it with regular deductions, without having to hide their wealth.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    If you make less than it cost to live a decent life, you are being exploited!!! If you benefit from this you are exploiting. Our problem in the US is that markets are exploitative and so much more in other countries. Another problem for the US is that we are now going to experience this same situation by the corporatist. Deborah you are way off on the solution which only amounts to call to be a more exploitable worker. Get more student debt, and become even more skilled so that your boss and benefit more and still withhold raises. Workers need to begin to take back their labor and fire the bosses, through worker directed enterprises. This is a big game for people like Deborah…..

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Big business have no concern for the livelihood of their workers and so the workers need to retain their jobs and begin to compete with their old bosses. We need a new government that will support the effort to reclaim factories and jobs. Deborah I am surprised that you can both know that the core motive of corporatist is to pay the worker close to nothing, and yet you find no more issue with this. Businesses operate in our communities through the permission of the people and so we need to rethink this contract and reject the sociopaths’ warped thinking. They have no right to manipulate the markets and exact economic servitude on decent people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.gregson.18 Deborah Gregson

    Don’t overlook the fact that the Progressive Social Elite are all quite wealthy themselves, making one wonder just what their motives are. Why do Socially Economic Progressive Elite get to tell the rest of us what to do? Who chooses them? Why are they excluded from the rules of wealth consumption and social display of their status? Why do they get special privelages not afforded to others? Why is Tom Cruise or Lady GaGa or Justin Timberlake or this dude on Saturday Night paid tons more than a teacher or nurse but no one calls them out like they do the President of CitiCorp. or Walmart. What’s the difference in them? They’re all wealthy with money you don’t have. I’m telling you, wealth envy, status envy, social envy, will not allow you to move up or ahead or beyond any hole you may feel you are in. Be real about your situation, assess your options, seek community assistance, begin doing what it takes to work out of the hole and start moving your way up. Adjust as you move on and learn new things, it’s not easy, in fact it’s really, really hard, gut if you keep at it, and the people here hopefully lose in gaining their ideals, you’ll have a good shot at attaining your ideal. Compared to other countries there have been no others that people flee to for the benefits, opportunities, wealth potential, growth, abundance, and personal and religious freedom we have here. THAT’S WHY THEY FLEE HERE AND NOT TO COLUMBIA OR KENYA OR GREECE, it’s better here. Grab ahold of your freedom and opportunities and find your way to grow wealth, build your business, hire people and help others.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    College cost so much because they are like every other corporation that monopolizes a market. We have had the means of creating a Free Online University for years now, much like the UK. If this was created you would see massive changes in the universities. but Deborah, I am not just talking about kids and your conception of learning and its relationship to employment is woefully uninformed as to the economic crisis since 2007.
    Every adult today needs access to accredited diplomas too.

    Oddly, you understand the the logic here. Kids are having to take on 40 to 50 thousand in student loans to get a 22k job with no benefits. The best you seem to expect is the they continue down your road to nowhere and accept $1 per week as fair payment in return for the privilege of competing with India for the chance to make one boss filthy rich.

    the best way forward is to create a Free Online University that works with community colleges for skills testing and lab work, your points on education is way off and only play into the problem we have.

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.gregson.18 Deborah Gregson

    Well, like, yeah. Companies are losing sales, losing profits, means laying off workers who have to file for unemployment and look for other jobs. Seasonal workers who worked during the holidays have now been laid off and that contributes to those numbers. There are lots of people not working right now. Small and large companies have cut back big time. Businesses are skeptical about hiring because recent laws aren’t clear about what they should provide each employee. It’s a dark and scary world out there.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Deborah, this is one big straw man argument and I am surprised you can think it relates to my post. I don’t expect equality, this is just a conservative meme that is irrelevant and mocks an open debate. Workers need to begin replacing their slavish relationships with new relationships rooted in a concern for themselves and their family. Sociopaths do not understand this.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Really…. Middle class is that group that is “Trying to cushion themselves from loosing everything”. Funny, while this may be true for a majority of Americans based on the deflated idea of middle class, lets just call it what it is… Everyone but the wealthy are just one bad year away from living on the streets.

    Again you offer a host of excuses for why this is the case. put simply, the rich have taken it all and left nothing for the rest.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    The founding fathers created laws to protect the privileged and subvert the freedoms of the poor and enslaved. That whole document has been used to support slavery, deny the rights of minorities and create a dominate class. Today it does the same only you chose to ignore all of that part of our constitution.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    IF that were really true we would have seen the churches leading the protest against economic slavery. We have wealthy churches everywhere and as many poor in the streets. The churches only make this world a passing concern in their ever focused love of the kingdom of the afterlife. The result curiously supports oppression and the suffering of the poor. Great ideology for a citizenship of sheep.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Look at the news and you see plenty of corrupt actions of corporations, that do not result in equal justice. I don’t have the time to educate you of all of that, but you might find it worth looking into it a bit.

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.gregson.18 Deborah Gregson

    So that’s a decision you make, do you stay in the job you have with less responsibility for the lower salary; do you take the promotion for an extra dollar an hour, knowing it puts you into a different pay grade, even though most of that would go to taxes? The smart move business wise is to take the promotion and hope your bold move is seen as positive which will put you in line for the next opening you’d be eligible for. Or leave the job and get one elsewhere, just be sure to get the job before leaving the old one. Reality isn’t like elememtary school where everyone gets a smiley face on their work. Some win, some lose. Some stay stuck, some move on. It’s up to you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Great you understand sociopaths desire to commit tax fraud. Yet you can’t understand why American workers might question the corporatist desire for them to compete with India for $1/week jobs. Your “thinking” is twisted and so clearly conservative.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    There is no such thing as progressive elites, they are all the same as the conservative elites and worst they all sound like you. Wealth envy? Really all I see are people wanting to live a decent life in return for their labor. When an answer has to come from the poor it will be through a decision to bring this system to the ground. The progressive institution that could pressure this system to adapt to the needs of the majority has been obliterated by the corporatist.

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.gregson.18 Deborah Gregson

    Guess you could see it that way, because themselves were educated, understood the importance of business and land ownership, understood how the British, French, Italian governments worked, understood negotiations, understood the need to protect personal and national freedom from people who would take it away, from within or without. They trusted themselves because few people actually risk their homes, businesses, families’ safety and their own personal safety to start a war against their own country, their countrymen, their friends and relatives. Those men knew this cause was THE cause to fight for. Liberty, life, truth, justice and the American way. With some Johnny Walker thrown in.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    More corporatist nonsense. Big business are making big profits and this is due in large part to the unemployment crisis they are using to lower wages in America and exact more productivity gains and reduce benefits across the board.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    All of your thinking is in a box…..it’s like you don’t think of the same facts you state.

    Look if you loose your job it seems the case you loose your home, not because you could not afford it at the time.

  • Anonymous

    The mess started with the sub prime home loans under clinton, frank and dodd

  • Bill

    Perhaps what we are seeing is a reflection of ourselves at the voting booth. After all SOMEBODY elected the republicans that are destroying this nation.

  • Anonymous

    Conservatives are wacko?? What about Gosnell?

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.gregson.18 Deborah Gregson

    Her reply doesn’t indicate a values response. It’s just about the money. Who has what and whether they can justify to someone else why they deserve it and how they use it. That is a value of arrogance, self absorption, jealously, pride.

  • Anonymous

    In what way?

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.gregson.18 Deborah Gregson

    No, fire yourself. If you don’t like the situation where you are working, you quit and somewhere else. You have NO RIGHT to overthrow the business you work at. You are employed there, you don’t own it, you have no right to destroy it. You encourage anarchy and civil diaobedience both of which are wrong. You bring about changes like this by voicing your opinion, walking out, advocating, lobbying for new laws, running for political office, all peaceful and proven methods of lasting change. Your method closes a plant and puts everyone out of work.

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.gregson.18 Deborah Gregson

    Sure, where some man wanted two days off with pay so he could have a big party bash with his family, leaving his employer all alone to do the work for both of them during a festive holiday. Meanwhile two men come in asking for a donation from the owner to go to people held in prison for not paying their bills, when this man’s job is doing ledger books to make sure people pay debts. And when he gets home three ghosts bother him all night to say to him that he’s wrong to be rich, frugal, live within his means, and instead should share all his wealth with anyone he sees so he can be happy. Not buying it. If I ever win the million, I’m keeping it a huge secret, seeing an advisor, getting my affairs set, and choosing my own charities. Thanks guys, it’s been swell.

  • http://twitter.com/zinzinzor Sylvia Scarletti

    Chris Hayes is really good. He’s on MSNBC in the evening and you see discussions on his show that you never see anywhere else except for here.

  • http://twitter.com/zinzinzor Sylvia Scarletti

    In India, the people sleep on the sidewalk outside the public hospitals. We are looking a lot like a third world country these days.

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.gregson.18 Deborah Gregson

    There’s not just one pot of money to take from for everyone in the world and when it’s gone, it’s gone. The rich haven’t taken it all, there’s more to generate, people will find the ideas, skills, talents to generate new business, create new jobs and more wealth. But with so many people believing there’s no chance or opportunity for them, they’ve already bought into the fallicy of Social Progressivism because it absolves them from their lifestyle of job failure. They don’t even try because there’s no goal for them to work toward. I happen to know that’s not true though. I know people who started out in the projects on govt. assistance with no job and kids to support who decided, that wasn’t enough for them and decided to work their way out. They fought hard to hold onto minimum wage jobs, care for kids, catch up on schooling, work second jobs, find child and adult care, learn budgeting and credit management. They have been able to work on paying off debt, moving to safer neighborhoods, move to better paying jobs, get more training, have more control over their family life and find success in what they are trying to accomplish. They feel pride, worthiness, in control, success, dedication, inner motivation to continue moving forward.

  • http://twitter.com/zinzinzor Sylvia Scarletti

    The system is broken. The elites have very little to do with the non elites. The Democratic and Republican elites have more in common with each other than they do with us. They care more about maintaining their positions and accumulating wealth and power than they do about good public policy or good governance. In general, they all do a lousy job and they get away with it because the system is broken. There’s nothing we can do to them except vote and they are working on reducing our ability to vote by things like gerymandering and voter ID.

  • http://twitter.com/zinzinzor Sylvia Scarletti

    “Right to work” (for nothing), the destruction of collective bargaining. The degradation of OSHA and good labor laws and massive unemployment exacerbated by bad public policies like austerity.

  • http://twitter.com/zinzinzor Sylvia Scarletti

    I read that op ed. I think Wounded Knee might be saved by political activism. In fact, the op ed was a great step in that direction.

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.gregson.18 Deborah Gregson

    Hey, I’m not saying there aren’t huge changes that need to be fixed like income tax and Medicare fraud, poor health and safety inspections, wasteful spending on emergency services and Homeland Security, redundant services, bad doctor and hospital practices, lack of funding to assist with longterm in home caregiving, skewed educational spending. I am saying that (it’s four in the morning, I’m tired and I want to go to bed, I had a little snack about an hour ago and it went right to my head.) I want to say that mostly we all want the same goal, and that by refusing to talk about that we get mo where; and by slamming people in a sassy way dialog is cut off so sides never talk about their differences to find a common point where they can begin to build an idea on which they can all agree

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.gregson.18 Deborah Gregson

    What is a decent life? What does a person have that defines that? What is the definition of the standard? Is it based on a set amount of money, or certain stuff they have, or the kind of house or car or goods they own? Who gets to define it? And who defines what is too rich, and what gets taken from them?

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.gregson.18 Deborah Gregson

    If I had been saving for a 10-12 month emergency fund, that along with my unemployment should give me about 14-18 months to find some kind of job to pay bills again. I should only buy a house when I know I have enough saved or coming in from another source if I,was to lose my job. If I bought a house with a balloon payment, an adjustable rate mortgage, an interest only loan, with little or no down payment, and got the loan with bad credit, than the monthly payment and the house was out of my price range. I am one of the most out of the box people you would ever meet. I would turn my home into a boarding home before I’d lose it, but then again we skipped eating out, big vacations, movies, expensive cars, junk stuff and paid our home off twice in less than 20 years. (there was the part of buying out one half as part of a divorce settlement) This saved us tons of money and gives us amazing freedom from worry.

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.gregson.18 Deborah Gregson

    I am a witch, not a troll. I have a broom and sister witches to prove it. And as an independent witch I’ll feed myself thank you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/deborah.gregson.18 Deborah Gregson

    Exactly, because Congress decided, under pressure from social political groups, that not enough loans were being made to minorities, so loan qualifications were lowered, and loans were given to people who really couldn’t afford them. When your loan is 50% of your income, your loan is too big. But it got people into homes, they were buying on credit, not saving money, gas was relatively cheap, then 9/11/01 and there was a smack to our stability, then another smack in 2008 when word got out about the bad loans to home loans, and the car industry started losing money, and the banks, and the false markets all started falling in. What happened? The govt. butted in and used your money, our money to pay off their debt instead of letting go bust and new businesses coming forward.

  • http://profiles.google.com/rylang23 Ryan Langemeyer

    Deborah… you have “drunk the Kool Aid” and “swallowed the Blue Pill”. At first I thought you had written a parody, but… Whew! you really believe what you write. Amazing!

  • Anonymous

    And yet they weren’t the ones barefoot in the snow at Valley Forge, doing the actual fighting and dying. The arrogance of the elite is timeless.

  • Anonymous

    Deborah – You are clearly an intelligent woman, but your arguments are all anecdotal – I work in real estate, and there are a TREMENDOUS number of NON_MINORITY ex-homeowners who have been forced into short-sales, walking away or have been foreclosed on – NOT because of Clinton. NOT because of congress offering them easy loans. But because the economy SUCKS and they are being laid off and running out of money for healthcare costs and mortgages.
    And the reasons for the crappy economy are mostly due to risky and damnably poor “investments” by large “banks” and stock trading companies who can gamble with my money, and be paid by the government for any losses. This behavior ACCELERATED under Bush’s administration – loosening or gutting investment and banking safeguards, and STARTING the big BAILOUT (also under Bush’s watch) which has kept the VERY wealthy quite happy, and safeguarding their (MY!) money in THEIR offshore accounts (to the tune of $30 Trillion) – Enough money to allow significant investments in the US economy for improving roads and bridges, healthcare, and education. This would put food on the table, keep the roofs over their heads while they got a better education, and put many of us back to work. But MY money is NOT being used by the government- they cannot (or won’t) tax the OFFSHORE and HIDDEN accounts of “Americans” who would rather buy another mansion or some additional race-horses, then pay taxes on their hidden moneies. You may think that these THIEVES are entitled to our money because they “earned it” – but they got most of this money by lobbying the congress for loopholes and entitlements and exemptions in their taxes – in my book, that is STEALING.
    I STILL do not understand who you believe are the “evil progressives” demanding obedience…?

  • Beckie Ann

    The Christian Church has been infected by the Prosperity Doctrine. They blame the poor and hurting and replace compassion with judgement.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Yea it’s like somehow people have been lead to think think that a life like Christ will be rewarded with a high paying job, big home and a Hummer….. If Christ came back to hear this b.s., he would go off!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/bill.edmonds.77 Bill Edmonds

    DG your position is complete nonsense. If a person is already earning below a living wage, they have absolutely no ability to walk out, move, find another job, the things you propose. They probably don’t own a car and have limited transportation options. And while advocating, lobbying, running for political office, are all noble things to do, they require free time and money, which the economically disadvantaged DO NOT HAVE. Our society has re-instituted indentured servitude. And I’ll wager you’re against unemployment support and anti-union as well, 2 structures which would allow low income workers to do all the noble things you propose. You are completely disconnected from reality, take the damn scales from your eyes.

  • Anonymous

    Just another mindless victim of the propaganda machine Operation Phornicate owned and operated by the Plutocracy in its war against the middle class.

    owned and operated by the Plutocracy

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    I would not cut such a distinction between the Democrats and Republicans.

    Both have been letting the corporatist loot our country and destroy the safety net the poor need even more today.

    But as a reminder: Clinton initiated banking deregulation, gutted the welfare system (Which can be more accurately called a subsidy for the corporations that pay people nothing and rely on unemployment), signed NAFTA and we have Obama that has been the first president to cut into Social Security, Signed into law NDAA, and continues the bail outs..

    This stuff goes on and on, while American working poor and unemployed play into this game every election year.

    Both parties have been sold out!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    What a joke….. Who has a 10-12 month emergency fund….. heheheehe

    You are out of touch!!!! If I lost three months salary I would be out in the streets and I have only collected one month of unemployment my whole 42 years of life.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Beautiful Reminder Kevdog…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    In the box thinking again. This system is about Debt Creation and for the average worker that has not seen an increase in their real wage since the 1970′s they were ripe and ready to submit to it. I say it is time the workers came together and removed the industries from these sociopaths’ corporations.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    You know your thinking reminds me of Mitt Romney who told a person during the campaign that they can borrow money from your parents if you want to start your own business…..

    Normally this is a joke. but he was serious…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    FDR’s Economic Bill of Rights … You might not realize that this has been clearly defined for many years now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Most everything you are concerned about are not even on the radar of the working poor. Think corporate corruption, Special Interests, Environmental Health, the bailouts, Economic Slavery, Lack of support for Worker Directed Enterprises, a Free Online University, tax loopholes, corporate welfare, unemployment, the 6 trillion dollar WAR…..

    Get onto one topic of importance and the real conversation can begin.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Right on Sylvia:

    Americans are so mislead into thinking unemployment is about having more opportunities to work in an exploitative relationships with corporations. Workers need to begin to recover the abandoned factories across America and begin a process of replacing these corporations with Worker Directed Enterprises.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Right on… Both parties are sold out to big corporations and anyone taking political sides is just playing into their own servitude and some myth of government gridlock.

    Well we see no signs of gridlock when the bills give money to the rich or refuse to go after corporate welfare or corruption.

    In short the government works very efficiently for the elite and act like they can’t read bills for the poor.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Look the woman that came up with that sad construction died this week… Margaret Thatchers ideology has been long since laughed at.

    The reality: Everyone is a Debt Slave and all their future wealth, natural resources and has been given away to the 1% who are looking to cash in on this debt through Austerity in the coming years. My hope is that the workers will outright reject this debt and begin to work for themselves.

    Only in this version of our future… The elite run out of money and have to get a job to pay their bills and may very well loose their financial security and big houses because they “were irresponsible is getting houses they could never afford”.

  • Mairin

    Whenever I read of someone who wants to vilify the rich (business owners) for working hard and making money, I realize that many of the people advocating this are also rich. So I wonder, what are they doing to help the poor? Where are Michael Moore, Al Sharpton, most of our politicians, many of the Hollywood ‘elite’, and yes even Bill Moyers. Let’s see these people begin their speeches by telling us what they have done personally to help the poor before trying to put another guilt trip on the struggling middle class (who by the way, probably give more to charity than those I’ve mentioned).

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    The reality:

    Everyone is a Debt Slave and all their future wealth, natural resources and has been given away to the 1% who are looking to cash in on this debt through Austerity in the coming years. My hope is that workers will outright reject this debt and begin to labor for themselves.

    Only in this version of our future… The elite run out of money and have to get a job to pay their bills and may very well loose their financial security and big houses because they “were irresponsible is getting houses they could never afford in reality”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    This is why my firm belief is that a vast majority of our government and corporations are run by sociopaths: These people lack the complicity to empathize with others and they are drawn to power and wealth. We need to quit admiring them and get them out of the positions of power and give them medical attention.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    You should also look into this weeks “Economic Update” with Richard Wolff and guest Chris Hedges.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Rather than ignore their points (trolls or not) destroy their whole ideology and leave nothing standing in your wake.

  • WakeUp

    So I see people bashing Deborah, but that is all a part of freedom. You are free to do what it is you want. People have fought and died for this freedom. You naysayers to Deborah, what would you have us do? Have the government take over all the jobs and then you wouldn’t have any opportunity to move, to advance, to fail, to succeed. What would your grand plan while still allowing freedom be. I see all these people whining about how bad things are but none of you have an answer that doesn’t include stealing from other peoples hard work and giving it to those who are to lazy to look for work. Remember, in the last depression, people moved to look for work, this one no one had to because government is picking up the tab. If there are no jobs in your area move, because there are parts of the country that can’t fill jobs fast enough. FREEDOM it is a right but you have the right to succeed or fail you’re free to make that choice.

  • WakeUp

    Have
    any of you thought about buying local and stop sending your money to the
    corporations you love to hate. The ones that provide all those jobs? If you are
    so upset with this culture, vote with your money. Support businesses that
    support their workforce. Do your home work and stop complaining. Start a
    movement of people actually doing something by starting a business of workers
    or find an employer that treats its employees well. Don’t buy from
    corportations or businesses that don’t. You CAN FIX THIS WITHOUT GOVERNMENT.
    You are free and you don’t need to wait for someone else to fix it! And be
    prepared, it costs more to buy from non exploited workers, but then again, your
    free to buy from over exploited workers anytime you want. Freedom, its a
    choice!

  • WakeUp

    Then how did millions of people in the great depression do it. They had even less
    but they were able to scour the country for jobs. Stop blaming people and DO
    something yourself!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Business opperate because the local community grants them the privilege to operate. The community can rethink the whole employee/employer relationship In order to remove the whole opportunity for people like you, that enjoy the greed you narrowly advocate.

  • WakeUp

    So you would rather have a communist regime where everyone earns the same wage and there is no sense of ownership? Kevdog, i see words but nothing of action, what are you doing to change this? Waiting for someone else? Fix things yourself, be free, do what it is that this country allows better than any other in the world, be free to change your stars and start now!

  • WakeUp

    wow now its genocide. There isn’t a country on this earth that hasn’t perpetrated crimes against others. I know its not right but thats the truth. The victors write history. Stop using our past, which really is better than most countries as a crutch. If you can’t have pride in the country you live in, find one you can. Go where there are less freedoms and less wealth, go where you want but you are free. The one thing you can’t do is change the past of this country or any others for that fact. Take pride in what you want the world to be stop blaming the past for where you are, blame your own inability to make the choices that could have changed your life. You know you could have been Bill Gates if you had done something different.

  • WakeUp

    Couldn’t have said it better!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Again you fail to understand… I don’t advocate taking any business from any owner. I advocate the growing interest in Worker Directed Enterprises which effectively fires the boss. Look I can’t blame you for your confusion, since this idea is very radical.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Both parties have created this situation, playing the party line is just falling into the political play book.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    To think our currency is not all about important human values is to be clueless about the function of the dollar in our economy.

    If you really want to know what is important to a country look at what it builds. For the US it is Large Corporate Monuments in every city and War.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Both parties have devastated the working poor and surrendered our future wealth to corporatist. Don’t fall for the two party game.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Bill, Bill, Bill…..

    Once workers outright reject this Debt Slavery and begin to labor for themselves in Worker Directed Enterprises. The elite will run out of paper money and have to get a job to pay their bills.

    Then they will loose their financial security and big houses because they “were irresponsible in getting houses they could never afford in reality”.

  • WakeUp

    Russell, this is exactly my point, from the sounds of it you are actually doing something. Thankfully you have the freedom to do that. If you know of ways others can join this movement, pass them on.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Look Sarno, I have to agree with you on this point… I have no problem with people who want more wealth, I have a problem with the poor being too poor and an economy based on economic slavery.

    The thing you miss is that it it not right to step on the backs of workers on your way to more wealth. Take a good look at the markets: they are all based on actual slave labor and the elite want us all to ignore this fact.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Listen to “Economic Update”.. Richard Wolff’s ideas are presenting workers with a real alternative to this exploitative system.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    The monied corporations have a monopoly on job creation as of now and is supported by and educational system and government, but nothing is stopping the workers from organizing around production in the same areas of expertise they currently work in.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    We just need to focus on creating new industries that are run by workers and then the elite will just turn poor and loose their big houses they were irresponsible in buying since in reality they could not afford it.

    Imagine how beautiful this would hear coming from conservative talk show hosts…. The Rich have been loosing their houses and it was their fault for buying homes they could not ever expect to afford on their own.

  • Anonymous

    Anyone who sees the world in such Manichaean terms isn’t worth talking to.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Our US history is being written as we speak and it is the bloodiest most violent history of any other in modern time.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Communism, Socialism, Capitalism they all have allowed the working poor to be exploited by an elite few.

    We need to break free of this narrow understanding of our economy: Worker Owned Businesses is a great new start.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    The goverment created the jobs and did work we needed. not like now where we give more bailouts and cut programs for the poor and don’t even consider creating job through the government.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Buying local is still playing into this market economy that is based on slave labor: Even the small businesses are not paying their workers-because they won’t or can’t. We need a real government that is willing to address this market and make a livable wage (Not a minimum wage) and worker’s rights declaration and remove business incentives for corporation while setting up programs that give workers the resources to start new Worker Self Directed Enterprises.

  • Anonymous

    Some of the poor have been devastated by being told and receiving funds from the Gov as a life-style instead of taking advantage of what America has to offer for those who are willing to study and work for it. Businesses are the people who hire and make it possible for people to work and have careers and not sit around waiting for their monthly checks from the government. Sure, some businesses are corrupt but, many add to the growth of this country as is their purpose. The gov has serious corruption problems telling people “they will take care of them”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Freedom to own a business without the enabling means to do so is not a freedom.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    In the box thinking: Ironic for that WakeUp tag.

  • Mr Freeze

    …”The victors write history.” That’s nothing but an uber-rationalization of some very cynical (and sometimes evil) humans. There are quite a number of very famous tyrants and “leaders” who have used your logic to justify all kinds of ugly things……

    As for your “measuring stick” regarding the number of “freedoms” and the amount of “wealth” we have in the U.S., I think you need to to a little self reflection about what’s truly important in terms of our society…..You yourself seem to be promoting the very ME, ME, ME mentality that most adults consider unacceptable.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    The poor died to support the position of the elite and for no other reason.

    What we can do is being a process of taking back the government and begin addressing the corporate monopolies in every industry and open the markets to Worker Owned and Operated enterprises that will then directly compete with the corporations. We will see real “whining” then when the elite begin foreclosing on their homes because they were irresponsible in taking on mortgages that they could not realistically afford on their own.

  • WakeUp

    All you’re saying is big government is the answer to all our problems and all I am saying is its the root of all our problems. People need to start taking care of themselves and that means supporting businesses that supply a living wage. If you think market economics is evil you are in the wrong country. Market economics works, when you remove government, corporations, big money. You need to make it work on the one to one ratio. I have been reading up on bitcoins, only because its in the news. Its based on purely market based and no government based financial models. Quite the eye opener. This kind of model could change the world if done right. As for your big government, they do need to be there to provide defense, interstate travel, and yes environmental protection. States should handle living wage issues, programs for the needy, and health care for the poor. Because if you leave it to 50 states to try to figure out the problem you have a much better chance of fixing it, and then you will have like minded people moving to like minded states to take care of things the way they see fit. Small central government, larger closer to home government where they can identify and work with the people in need. Not as a huge overlying monopoly on a service but as a close contact helper.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    I know of no one that is vilifying the rich….

    What I hear is a whole class of people that are tired of their own exploitation by a group of sociopaths that happen to be rich because of their exploitation.

  • Beckie Ann

    They are US citizens so they share the same responsibilities. Wealth doesn’t mean we must worship them and serve them,Deborah

  • WakeUp

    bloodiest? Have you seen pictures of the millions slaughters in Rwanda? Have you seen the tragedy that goes on everyday in Syria? Of all the hundreds of thousand killed daily by oppressive regimes? Would you rather the US just stay out of world politics and stop trying to help those in need? Yes we went to war in Iraq for all the wrong reasons, but we did leave it better then it was. Ok, try to go back in history and find a less bloody time? Name one? We have the power to affect how people live on a global scale, shouldn’t we be trying to help those less fortunate? You say big government but hey you cry when they try to help others with our tax payer money across the world, what do you really want??

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    you might want to take a look at the numbers in the “Drug War” and in the “Middle East” alone.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    I can’t help you if you buy into the servile political banter…..

    A strong Worker Directed Movement is the way forward. Strong government will be an outcome and big business and trillion dollar bailouts has never been the answer.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Mr Freeze… Mr WakeUp is still politically asleep. This is the result listening to the major media’s narrow discourse on the problems. We need to make sure we do not fall into that trap.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Safety Net programs, like food stamps, are not for the poor. They are business subsidies for the elite that exploit workers and these programs effectively shore up this form of failing capitalism that is build through government supported labor.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    They are worth exposing the contradictions we all can clearly see, personally I care little for their arguments-it is their vile presence of these arguments I protest.

  • moderator

    Hi Everyone,

    Let’s try to stay away from personal attacks, it doesn’t help move the discussion along.

    Thanks,
    Sean @ Moyers

  • Daveat1910

    Raise the minimum wage or wait for the rich to pity you- good luck with the latter

  • MU

    Bill,
    You are the best. Thank you, thank you, for getting this issue out.
    There are rumbles about social inequality in the US but we need more and we need cries of outrage and protests to voice that Americans will not take this anymore. The internet is nice for voicing out but it is too covert. We need a physical show of masses of people just like OWS did but we need to march it to Washington. These are the questions we must address:
    When will we overturn Citizens United?
    Can big money and disproportionate lobbying for the wealthy and corporations be stopped in Congress?
    Can tax loop holes that allow offshore shifting of money by corporations be stopped?
    Can we pass campaign finance reform?
    When will the super rich start paying their fair share of taxes?
    When will President Obama and conservatives learn that SS in not part of the deficit and if the approx. $117,000.00 SS cap is raised it will keep SS solvent beyond 30 years? This will assure grandmother and grandfather from becoming homeless and from going hungry.
    How can we address the corproratization of our prison system which is now a form of outcasting and closing the door on the poor, misguided and disenfranchised to make profits for a corporate prison system rather than rehabilitating, educating, and training the many inmates for productivity and employment.
    When will we see JOB GROWTH? Alan Greenspan once said (paraphrased) that unemployment was good for business it keeps salaries low and keeps employees in their place. I don’t think we will ever see JOB GROWTH in the US, companies have NO incentive nor does Congress as long as they are taking money for corporate lobbyists.
    Has America become a fascist economy/society where corporations run our government and not a democracy of the people? I hope and pray this is not the case.
    Are we now “USA, Inc.” or can we preserve our America as “for the people by the people”?

    Thank you,

  • Anonymous

    Your remarks are so far left, I can’t begin to comment anymore. Have a good day…….

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    The only think that will help is to begin doubting the name of these programs. This critique is not my own, Richard Wolff had to clarify this for me to see it too…..

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    You have to first realize that the ideology of the oppressors and the Ideology of the oppressed are the same.

    Look at jobs for instance, what both are asking for more jobs from corporations and businesses. All of these jobs are exploitative!! We need to begin asking for support and recognition of Worker Directed and Owned Businesses that can directly compete with businesses that have created the many problems you mentioned.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Both are not an answer. We need to establish a livable wage for all workers and begin supporting Worker Owned and Operated businesses.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    believing the constitution protects anyone’s rights is a joke. That same document has been used to support slavery, reject rights of minorities, define money as free speech, corporations as individuals, war as a presidential decision, and allows a foreign bank to print our money legally.

    The constitution is just a paper with vague and ambiguous words that is useful to a few elite who want to sell you this warn out constitutional law argument to justify whatever they want.

  • Anonymous

    It seem to me that third world countries are now doing much more to start Worker Self Directed Entrerprises. Why is that?

  • Average Joe

    Deborah, I think you might want to rethink the idea of rolling the voting regulations back to the 18th century. Remember women didn’t get to vote either, and any woman making comments like yours would have received a sharp rebuke. Why don’t you try to show a little compassion It’s good for the soul.

  • The Zen Carpenter

    You obviously live in a fantasy world of entitlement and have a great deal of free time to waste blogging about pure theory that has no practicle use in the real world. Get a job a try appliing your principles to our failed capitalist experiment.

  • http://twitter.com/rduryea rduryea

    When independent citizenry stand out to seek representative seats in Congress and the house carrying now party affiliations and lobbying interests…we will attain the change of politics as usual where principles and integrity for equality among all citizens is truly represented as our forefathers fought and died for

  • Anonymous

    Spread your horizons and listen to others. Wolfe is alllllllllllllll for big gov and handouts. The handouts have been going on since the 60′s and the economy is much worse. Many more on SSDisability, food stamps, free healthcare, dropouts from school. bias collages preaching anti American policies, more crime, more abortions. more drugs etc. None of which involves business subsidies. Richard Wolfe is a mouth piece for rely on Gov because building businesses and hiring people is a bad thing

  • babyboomer 48

    We need to overturn Citizens United and limit the access of Lobbyists. The government is supposed to be by, of and for the PEOPLE, not corporations. Maybe we should have a “vote of no confidence” like the Brits and send Congress packing.

  • DrUpox

    So my job like millions over the past few decades was outsourced to China,been 3 years and I have had NO luck. So your telling me I just need to excersize my “freedom” to move to China since that is where the work is I need or else simply start a whole new career having not barely paid off the ed costs of that one. So thankful my son is in Afg fighting to preserve that freedom for me. Get real about whats happening folks?

  • Karen

    Do we the people have the right to go into competition and hire away the corporations help, because we are running a profit sharing worker owned business? That would destroy the corporation, and you are saying we have no right? …..

    civil disobedience is the only possible way when elections cost so much money and are control by corporations. Many things were changed that way, you are for civil rights, right?

  • http://twitter.com/meghanml meghan l

    Hi Deborah, I must say I am confused by this comment. However you define social progressivism (whatever that may be), I think the goal of government is in fact to provide people with a minimum standard of living or a “safety net” to fall back on so that everyone has a chance to reach their full potential. The economy happens to move at different speeds than politics due to finance and trade being internationalized, so unfortunately economic and financial trends that started 15-20 years ago are now coming back to bite us. What that means is that many people have fallen on hard times and even if they have a lot of pride, worthiness, and inner motivation, they may not be able to find a job that pays enough for them to have a decent standard of living. Unfortunately one of the simplest solutions, for corporations to give up some of their profits in favor of paying people a higher livable wage, is politically untenable right now. You suggest moving to find jobs but why would someone incur the expense of moving (expenses they cannot afford) to look for an uncertain promise of a job that probably won’t pay? It’s not realistic for everyone to do that. As far as I know minimum wage jobs don’t fly people in for interviews. Also, there’s a lot of downward pressure where overqualified people are being forced to take minimum wage jobs. There are a lot of economic and structural forces at play here and unfortunately sometimes individual will and determination is just not enough to overcome them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jacquelyn.weddington Jacquelyn Weddington

    It seems evident that Deborah never read a “Christmas Carol, or it is just her weird sense of humor perhaps.???

  • http://www.facebook.com/amanda.duffin.3 Amanda Duffin

    Deborah, back in the great depression of our past, moving to another state helped, now you have to move to China.

  • http://twitter.com/MidniteEspresso BlackShadow

    You can’t have a “land of opportunity” co-existing with socialism. You have to make a choice – there is no effective middle ground. The rich will abandon the US, taking their industry with them if they are forced to fund the poor.

  • Anonymous

    How very sad. Your lack of compassion and empathy may catch up with you someday.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jacquelyn.weddington Jacquelyn Weddington

    Yes Mr. Wake up or Ms. wake up as the case may be. Did you never read the history of the Native American. We had no business in Iraq and if it had not been for the lies of Bush and company we would not have been there. They had no weapons of mass destruction and were not responsible for 9/11..It was another way for the rich to get richer and our children died for their money….

  • Anonymous

    FDR created jobs for these people to bring us finally out of the Great Depression. History.

  • http://twitter.com/copperbird7 Copperbird

    Thank Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher for the hateful America that we now endure. Also, give a nod to the Evangelicals who have been plotting the take over of America for the past 40 years one school board seat, state senate or house seat at a time. Everyone else was busy looking the other way while it all played out their way.

  • mike_canada

    A dog starved at his master’s gate
    Predicts the ruin of the state.
    - William Blake, 1807

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Worker Directed Enterprises may soon replace this economy based on exploitation of the poor.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    The problem with that is what ever laws we put in place, no matter how good, the elite will quickly begin to subvert them and change them back. We need to change the foundation of our economy with Worker Owned Businesses and let the elite drift into their own poverty and where they can’t profit enough to buy our politicians.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    I like a lot of real progressive thinkers, Wolff’s work is the one relevant to our discussion. Chris Hedges, Glenn Greenwald, Cornel West, David Harvey, Bill Moyers, Rick Roderick, Noam Chomsky, and a few others….

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    You clearly do not understand Richard Wolff and your take on social programs is a disaster. I guess you think having the third lowest corporate tax rate and tones of corporate welfare programs has been a boom in jobs? Well where are they? We should be swimming in jobs given the history of throwing money at corporate America.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Sorry big doubts here…

    The powerful will just come back the next year and begin buying them out again.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Your right, Cuba and Argentina are leading the way to a new economy. The reason is that they are shedding their American dog collars.

  • Ivan Goldman

    Corporations exploit us in America the same way they exploit undeveloped countries. They go in, bribe the politicians, take what they want, poison air and water, and rig the tax structure.

  • Richard E Reed

    Henry ford said, “If I pay a man enough to buy my car he will buy my car.” Nick Hanauer opined that a purchasing public is what drives the economy and creates jobs. He added that rich people like himself would never create a job unless it provided something a public would be willing to buy. People on the right say the government doesn’t create jobs. The fallacy of that idea is the millions of jobs created by the Erie Canal, the TVA, Hoover and Grand Coulee dams, the freeway system, and NASA (an agency whose research has spun off over 1700 new industries). Don’t forget the millions of jobs created by the government funded internet.

    Taxing those who have sufficient income to fund such job-creating government projects is vital to our nation’s prosperity and well-being. When trickle-down economics became the policy of the land the debt/GDP ratio went during Reagan’Bush from 40% to near 70%. When Clinton raised taxes it fell back to 58%. And when G. W. dropped the rate paid by the wealthy it has shot up to over 100% of GDP because the Republicans refused to allow Obama to put the tax rate back up to the Clinton levels.

    In the meantime our national infrastructure (the backbone of any economy) is falling apart. Industries like solar panel producers, Ovonics and Solyndra are allowed to fail against competition by government supported Chinese companies allowed to sell at below cost prices precisely to capture the market. NASA has been forced to become a skeleton of its former self.

    Meanwhile American businesses have been allowed to attack labor by legislative action, moving jobs offshore, and hiring undocumented workers. The effects of these policies are clearly outlined in Senator Dorgan’s book, “Take This Job and Ship It.”

    The fact is the deck has been stacked against American workers for decades (since Reagan attacked the air traffic controllers). Labor’s losses are not the fault of the workers, but the undue influence wealth is allowed to exercise over US politics.

  • Peter

    Great essay! This message of inequality and corporate irresponsibility needs to heard this clearly more often.

  • http://twitter.com/jamenta John Amenta

    Calling anything that doesn’t support allowing the rich and the corporations they own to screw everyone over – as they are doing now – just using the blanket word “socialism” is a cop out. And you know it.

    No one is advocating complete “socialism” in America. Most Americans are advocating that we reign in the corruption and the unmitigated and criminal greed of Wallstreet and other corporate entities. Some level of rationality needs to be brought back into our national dialogue, not this black and white attitude that has been fostered by right-wing extremists – that anything or anyone that doesn’t agree with their point of view and Social Darwinistic ideology – is a “Communist”. It just isn’t true.

  • http://www.facebook.com/john.ennis.100 John Ennis

    Thank you Bill Moyers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    The problem with your approach is that we will only leave the plutocrats with a few new regulations that will be overturned in a few years time. I get the key scary words of socialism and communism, but even capitalism has been oppressive to the working poor. We can do better than this and we can go beyond capitalism.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    I couldn’t say it better.. But remember Henry Ford was a great supporter of Naziism and had a bromance with Hitler.

  • The Zen Carpenter

    They already left and are scanning the globe as we speak for the latest desperate workforce to exploit!
    As for “funding the poor”. Really?

  • Guest

    Dear Bill: Thank you for your brave, wise comments. Ignorant politics is paralyzing our government, while millions fall through the gaping holes, including our children, our food supply, our health, and our unborn.

  • igot2brains

    This problem has been brought up repeatedly for several years now. It was well known to me in my personal experience 10 years ago. The question is what are the people of the US going to do about it? As someone who now sees themselves as rapidly moving into this upper percentile so often mentioned in the media I take exception to what appears to be your message that we should simply confiscate money from those who have a lot and give it to those who may or may not contributed much at all to society.
    The ultimate answer to all our ills is for the gov’t to take overriding control of all businesses with everyone being paid bonuses according to. how much they contribute to the overall welfare of society. People could vote on the internet on what they want and how much they will pay . It will be a tug of war between producers and consumers. It would be very similar to Prof Wolf’s ‘democratic capitalism’ and modeled much like Twin Oaks Commune or like employee owned businesses where every employee gets to take part in the direction of the company, workload etc. There would be no taxes; everyone is paid directly by the gov’t. Illegal immigration would be eliminated because there could be no personal incentive for anyone to hire illegal workers. If a doctor says he won’t do gallbladder surgery for a certain price, guess what, where’s he going to get paid more? You know a star baseball player will hit just as many home runs for $50k a year as he will for $10m. Does him hitting home runs help Mr and Mrs Smith in Denver fill up their car with gas? Does paying the hosts of the morning TV shows $10M a year each at least really doing much for the rest of us? Free market capitalism operates like a Southeby auction and its not working!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=660149846 Wayland Yan

    Are you on any government subsidized programs, such as social security or medicare?

  • igot2brains

    Something that was never told to you is that many young people during that era were turned away from the Salvation Armies etc and starved to death with the notion that they should be home with their parents who had kicked them out because they couldn’t feed them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1438607106 Lydie Meunier

    OUR taxes and Pensions are being used to bring customers to private prisons, and for private prisons to rent cheap prison labor to corporations!!!

    Mass-incarcerations in the USA benefit for-profit private prisons and corporations that contract with private prisons to exploit prison-labor (vs. employing union workers with decent living wages).

    Prisoners are paid more or less 40 cts/hour, more often less than more, sometimes paid nothing at all, in lieu of the minimum $7.50/hour (and more) that corporations would have to pay otherwise. The difference between 40 cts and $7.50, quite clearly, contributes to maximize corporate profits, while folks outside walls are still unemployed and continue to lose their jobs.

    The higher the incarceration rates, the lesser people vote, the more outsourcing of jobs to prisons, the higher the unemployment rate, and the more dramatic the race to the bottom for skilled workers.

    In the end, here is how the bleeding of the people’s cash occurs: 1) incarceration costs paid with our tax money (translated into profits for private prisons and corporations) + 2) unemployment benefits also paid with our tax money for people, whose jobs were outsourced to prisons. This represents a double cost never discussed by Congress that claims to slash unnecessary expenses. Why? Because these costs benefit corporations. Meanwhile, the people keep paying!!!

    The USA heads down a very dangerous slope by allowing for the creation of such a massive industry surrounding the incarceration of our fellow Americans.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1438607106 Lydie Meunier

    OUR taxes and Pensions are being used to bring customers to private prisons, and for private prisons to rent prison labor to corporations!!!

    Mass-incarcerations benefits for-profit private prisons and corporations that contract with private prisons to exploit prison-labor (vs. employing union workers with decent living wages).

    Prisoners are paid more or less 40 cts/hour, more often less than more, sometimes paid nothing at all, in lieu of the minimum $7.50/hour (and more) that corporations would have to pay otherwise. The difference between 40 cts and $7.50, quite clearly, contributes to maximize corporate profits, while folks outside walls are still unemployed and continue to lose their jobs.

    The higher the incarceration rates, the lesser people vote, the more outsourcing of jobs to prisons, the higher the unemployment rate, and the more dramatic the race to the bottom for skilled workers.

    In the end, here is how the bleeding of the people’s cash occurs: 1) incarceration costs paid with our tax money (translated into profits for private prisons and corporations) + 2) unemployment benefits also paid with our tax money for people, whose jobs were outsourced to prisons. This represents a double cost never discussed by Congress that claims to slash unnecessary expenses. Why? Because these costs benefit corporations. Meanwhile, the people keep paying!!!

    Read more about this issue: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-fraser/private-prisons-_b_1439201.html

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=660149846 Wayland Yan

    Deborah, you don’t need to go to another country to see destitute people, there are plenty in every major U.S. city. Maybe you don’t go out much, every time I commute to work I see plenty of homeless people begging for money and food. If you want to see entire communities of destitute people, just go to the Hopi reservation in Arizona or some Native Indian reservations in New Mexico. You said you got half of your husband’s wealth from your marriage, why would you need any of it? It sounds like you’re a self standing island and can prosper without any outside help.

  • Al Grabauskas

    hmm – anarchy and civil disobedience are wrong?

    how and/or why is that so obvious?

  • lara hartley

    there were fewer people looking for work, and many many people died. it wasn’t until FDR put people to work did we pull out of the depression. part of the employment that helped pull us out of depression was the growing war industry.

  • http://www.facebook.com/karenpjacob Karen Busch Jacob

    Well stated Beckie Ann.

  • http://www.facebook.com/karenpjacob Karen Busch Jacob

    It’s not alway easy to save up enough for periods of unemployment when they stretch much longer than the more typical terms of up to 6 months back in the 90′s.

  • Peter Gatliff

    Robber Baron with a little of the “Business Plot” thown in for good measure.

  • Pete in SV

    Brilliant reporting and editorial comments by Moyers–as usual. Link this to the great video on inequality by APM’s Marketplace to get an eye-opening & mind blowing visual reality check, with the facts that Deborah Gregson and her ilk need to get a grip!

  • amazonfeet

    Thank you, Bill Moyers. SSDI and Medicare are the only 2 things standing between myself and the local cemetery, due to an inherited health condition that nearly killed me 3 times in my mid 30s.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bettyjo.goddard Betty Jo Goddard

    Wish we had more Bill Moyers around.

  • Kevin

    Your are so right about history repeating itself……

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Nice comment, but you offer nothing to the discussion by way of debate. I could very well say the opposite. Freepower…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    So much scientific progress has been prevented due to large corporations patents, especially with human Genes and vested interests in fossil fuels. Moreover, many of the key technologies have grown out of publicly funded research. You are way off the mark on this one. By the way it was public taxes that funded the internet technologies which allowed you to post in this forum.

  • http://twitter.com/DollMakerBarb Barb Shillinger

    This is all happening because of the Repeal of Glass Steagall. WHY didn’t those in power realize that this would be the logical consequences of removing the barriers that kept greedy bankers in check?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    The real problem is that they fully understood what it would do….

  • http://www.facebook.com/rjnewton13 RJ Newton

    Thank you Bill, for doing what you do. We need more folks like you in this country.

  • Pam Miner

    During the time leading up to the Crash in 1929, there was a time like this , when the poor were crushingly poor and the rich had never been richer. Then the crash fell, the millionaires that lost all their money jumped, the dust bowl was in full swing. The noble FDR created Social Security, a minimal safety net for the poorest of the poor. It has been an institution of our country for decades.
    The situation now is likewise the rich have riches that are impossible for the poor to understand. And the rich don’t see the huts, tents and hovels the poor are living in. They don’t see those families in their vehicles, begging for a little food for the kids or for gasoline to take them to a homeless shelter.
    the GOP are theGuardians Of Privelege, and a Democrat! president is searching for gimmicks to cut SS!
    The ones in power do NOT feel empathy. The love of their money blinds them!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=687125829 Eve Moran

    are there no prisons? are there no workhouses?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Max-Berry/1072575009 bagoboy

    Compare with the polio vaccine and the smallpox vaccine. Given free to the world and eradication of two scourges of mankind.
    compare with Big Pharm’s greed with Aids treatment while millions die.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Max-Berry/1072575009 bagoboy

    Sorry, didn’t go far enough back, we have eclipsed the Robber Baron wealth (Waltons and the Kochs alone own as much as bottom 40% or 140,000,000 people): we are approaching the feudal stage.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    This is exactly the point Richard Wolff makes… No matter what new laws or regulations we manage to get in place, the rich will in years after, get the laws changed back. The real fix is through the creation of Worker Directed and Owned Businesses

  • AnneMarie

    My question: What can we comfortable and compassionate people do to change this situation as quickly and smoothly as possible?

  • Rog

    Whenever I hear people start talking about winning the lottery, I just move on.

  • JoeB

    Businesses operate because people, whether entrepreneurs or corps, invest time and money to open, fund, develop, and operate those businesses. There is no “privilege granted” by the local community, at least not in a free capital state/country. The local community, funded by those businesses and the derivative income of the owners and employees generated by the businesses, voluntarily organize to promote the common infrastructure and services to support those businesses and the people they employee because those businesses provide jobs and the tax revenue to provide those common services. That organization is called “government”, a derivative result of the people/social interactions that occur around the commerce generated by those who made the investment. Change the nature of the balance and watch those businesses move to other, more conducive parts of the state or country. One need only look at the flight of the automotive industry from Detroit to Kentucky, Tennessee, and South Carolina to see a prime example of that formula. Your cause/effect relationship is upside down

  • JoeB

    Russell, you may be right and you have a working model of your hypothesis in General Motors. The unions, primarily the UAW, holds about 11% of GM ownership, with the US Government holding about 25%. So that’s a 36% stake which is larger than any other shareholder group. Based on that, the GM worker should be seeing the benefit of their worker/public ownership directly, assuming they can stop their market share slide, develop competitive product, price it effectively, and market it well enough. Considering that all of the former shareholders lost their entire stake while the government sidestepped normal bankruptcy process and preserved the UAW’s pension plans during the bankruptcy proceedings, labor should be very happy with the deal they got in this takeover. It is now a “Worker Directed” enterprise. Let’s see how well they can run it and whether they move those jobs back to the high wage areas

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dave-Manley/691032737 Dave Manley

    Fire them all

  • Integrity News

    How has our culture become so callous? My hope in humanity is always restored by the Great Generation – those who made it through The Great Depression. Often times, they know how to treat one another with dignity, and many are coming to the end of their life’s sufferings. Thanks for this piece. – LS

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    JoeB, Thanks for a thoughtful reply, I think everyone is served better when we can offer reasonable debate….

    That being said, I doubt GM will be a “Worker Directed” enterprise when they will still have the same managerial style approach. Richard Wolff is keen to qualify “Worker Owned” and “Worker Self Directed Enterprise”. In a real worker owned and operated business everyone contributes directly in the production process and management levels and other soft forms of hierarchy, which seem to follow the same script as before, are problematic. My father’s worked at a foundry in Indiana, at one point the workers bought the foundry from the owner since they were at risk of loosing their jobs, however, the same management also stayed and the result for them was the same crisis only a few years later.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Every Businesses operated at the privilege of the community in which they are located. Walmart has for years tried to get entry into NY City, they have not: All because the local community has consistently refused to grant them a business license. The local communities can and should raise the standard of employment as a condition to do business.

    Moreover, a Free Capitalists’ Economy would quickly run into crisis and wealth disparity, is it was not for socialized programs that usurp issues like the problem we have with Continuation.

    The local community, funded by those businesses and the derivative income of the owners and employees generated by the businesses, voluntarily organize to promote the common infrastructure and services to support those businesses and the people they employee because those businesses provide jobs and the tax revenue to provide those common services.

    The decision to provide financial and community services to encourage business to locate in communities does not related to a Free Market Principals. Incentives create distorted forms of competition between communities and is the result of our desperate servile stance to corporatists’ mentality. I suspect that as Worker Self Directed Enterprises begin to take hold, the old corporatists’ monopoly on jobs will break and along with that a more Free Market Economy can flourish in ways that are respectful to workers, poor and the health of communities.

    What we call “Government” is now a sub-department of corporations not the people.

    Commerce and wealth creation are both the result of economic slavery and a manipulated markets that favors large corporations and nothing else. Moreover, the investments that go into many large corporations that have been the result of this market manipulation are not justly earned. Therefore, I believe the public should be willing to recover that wealth-with interests.

    The one thing I agree with is that changes will make corporatist’ run businesses to relocate. That is my hope… And to this I hope that workers around the world will embrace Worker Self Directed Enterprises so that we can go into direct competition with the big corporatists. It will be then that Corporatiions will understand that the workers are the very foundation of and economy not them.

    On the contrary, JoeB, you have the cause/effect relationship upside down.

  • http://www.facebook.com/antigua.farms Antigua Farms

    Too much wealth in the hands of too few. Time to break these monopolies and start the whole game over again…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    No start a New Game Differently

  • http://www.facebook.com/antigua.farms Antigua Farms

    There will always be disparity of wealth, and there should be. It is important to know that working hard will allow you the chance to pile up wealth. However, the wealth disparity has reached a level that it is simply incomprehensible to most of us. I would guess that a large portion of the “not very good at math” American’s do not realize that one billion is actually 1,000 millions. When 1% of the population owns somewhere north of half of the nations collective wealth (ca. $40 trillion of the $65 trillion total U.S. wealth), then it is simply time to hit the “re-start” button. If not, the game will end just like every single game of Monopoly ever played: with one person owning absolutely everything, and everybody else sitting around just wishing to god it would end.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Parthasarathy Shakkottai:

    Strong Government, not Big Government.

    With
    the disparity of wealth we see in India, I think this alone points to a
    government that is not working, at least for the people.

    Moreover,
    low taxes is not a point for good economies. In the current plutocratic
    run market, low taxes do encourage large corporation to relocate but
    they only create lower work standards and more exploration.

    Free
    Education is a plus, for India. We should have a Free Online University
    that works with community colleges and is available to everyone. Then
    and only then will we see those with natural talent and hard work
    achieve, rather than leaving achievement largely to one’s social class.

    Also, we need Worker Created Wealth to land in Credit Union Banks.

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.reed.754365 Richard Reed

    I was not commenting on Ford’s life, but just this extremely correct statement. Ford was not alone in support of Nazism and Fascism among America’s wealthy.

    However, ” He is credited with “Fordism”:
    mass production of inexpensive goods coupled with high wages for
    workers. Ford had a global vision, with consumerism as the key to peace.
    His intense commitment to systematically lowering costs resulted in
    many technical and business innovations, including a franchise system that put dealerships throughout most of North America and in major cities on six continents.” Wikipedia

    Regarding the wealthy, “Some of the primary and more famous Americans and companies that were
    involved with the fascist regimes of Europe are: William Randolph Hearst,
    Joseph Kennedy (JFK’s father), Charles Lindbergh, John Rockefeller, Andrew
    Mellon (head of Alcoa, banker, and Secretary of Treasury), DuPont, General
    Motors, Standard Oil (now Exxon), Ford, ITT, Allen Dulles (later head of the
    CIA), Prescott Bush, National City Bank, and General Electric.” rationalrevolution.net

    These titans of wealth went so far as to attempt a coup against Roosevelt to establish a Fascist USA.

  • Anonymous

    How many foundations have the rich established to deal with medical problems; libraries to help educate the folks; One sponsors Bill Moyers, the
    Carniegie Fd. To infer that the rich have no compassion is not the case..In 2010 figures the 10 richest congressman…. eight of them were Democrats.. Are they blind to poverty as well?? I think not..Both parties yield to money.. i.e. in 08 Obama received 65%of Wall St money for his election..The free enterprise system encourages folks to succeed.. It also calls on Govt to regulate the game..This is where to system has failed.. Clinton repealed Glass-Steagal & deregulated the hedgefund operators as well as a home for everyone who could sign a mortgage document.. Bush went along with it..The credit rating cos like Moodys & S & P rated these subprime mortgages as AAA rating.. Had they did their job the housing bubble would not have as severe …Over the years I have witnessed a political class in Wash that has failed the nation. They have let the banks get too few & too big.. thus they run economy without oversight..Geithner came from being Pres of NY Fed with the big Wall st banks on his board..Then he goes to the Treasury..Does they sound like a conflict??? The GOP acts the same way with Wall St. If our elected officials would do their job we’d be allot better off… Instead they allow themselves to be bought by big special interests.

  • Anonymous

    The USSR tried that social economic system & that did not work very well did it??? Unregulated capitalist has big problems that we see but who is to curb these folks … The elected officials..Lets ask ourselves this important question.. Where does it say the politicians have to take a bribe??? If they allow themselves to be bought… we fail.

  • Anonymous

    This is what Adam Smith & Milt Friedman, the economists, feared the most about our free enterprise system.. That by itself does not make it a bad system..just run improperly.. Picking winners & loser from Wash is going to have a bad outcome.. The free market will say who survives. Not Gov thru bought politicians.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with your points but who provides the would be cheaters the loopholes.. again the policticians. There is one human characteristic that is at play in any social economic system I needs to recognized & that Is GREED.. There was greed in USSR; in the Socialist nations of Europe..Its a given.. but govt need to reign it in. not encourage it.

  • Anonymous

    We have the 2nd highest Corp tax rate in the world..The 900 billion dollar green jobs program has created few jobs. That truly was throwing our money to Corp that the private sector has already investigated & found it to be not economically feasible. Had it been they would have been into along ago. You are right …weshould be swimming in jobs..but allot of Obama’s friends made out OK… at our expense.

  • Anonymous

    They who spend their money (vote) for such things have already paid allot in taxes for the things we need.. The Social Security trust fund has been raided by the politicians for years.. LBJ merged it with the general budget.. which to my way of thinking was a crime. Now thanks to them it was 50 billion in short last year so the general fund was taped Folks its already broke thanks to our politicians..Its full of IOUs

  • Anonymous

    Could it be that the FDA & Surgeon General have failed society??? The media worships their advertizing dollar.. Again govt not doing its job..They did good on tobacco.

  • Anonymous

    The individual decides what is decent; & comfortable..or a state of contentment..It is a inter feeling & it varies greatly from person to person. FDR didnot define success & nor is everyone is equal,,,only under ones God. Inequality exists all around us..as talents vary from person to person.. We are to use our talents to better ourselves

  • Anonymous

    No .. they also publish the hires every month so the difference gives you the net loss of jobs.

  • Anonymous

    The free enterprise system allows for profit & loss. There are losses like GM & yet govt intervened & broke the bankruptancy laws & took them over.. They should have gone bankrupt & the bond holder would not have been left holding the bag. My nephew had 28 yrs as an engineer at Delphi..He lost 70% of his pension.. The unions pension fund was 60% funded…The govt made it fully 100% funded & stuck to 20,000 non union folks with 30%..Govt calling winners & losers for votes,, He also lost his job.

  • Anonymous

    It was the real estate subprime mortgage bubble that caused the problem mainly plus regulatory agency failure. You could sell anyone a house as long as Fannie & Freddie were behind you.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t confuse Wall St Corp with industrial corps. Big difference. Industuial corps employ lots of folks. They create things… allot of them. Most people with a pension or 401 plan own our corporations… the folks.. so I do not come down hard on my investments.

  • Anonymous

    The right of property is one of the most important right we have. The constitution as been amended & defined by the supreme court.. maybe not to everyone’s liking but it is important nontheless. Having fallen angels vote on fallen angels to run the nation without a road map is extremely dangerous.

  • Anonymous

    My favorite was Johnny Walker red…The power should be & always be with the folks..We need to make the corrupt politicians pay and/or vote them out. But to do our job properly we need to try to stay informed. & considering the media today that is a bigger challenge.

  • Anonymous

    Where were Bill Gates ; Steve Jobs 25 yrs ago..?? Sam Walton; all idea folks & many before them that made this country great.. but the real heroes in the country are the middle working class that are raising their families to be contributors & yes part of their own American Dream.. Not all of will be a Bill Gates but thatdoes not mean we cannot succeed.. Success is a state of mind & don’t judge mine by what other folks have or don’t have.

  • Anonymous

    The fact is Thatcher save GB from financial rein… but the labor party would never own up to fact of what they left her & what she had to do to save the her nation.. She wisely kept them out of the european common market..as well.

  • Anonymous

    A corporation answers to the stockholder first which are many pension funds, IRAs, & 401s held but millions of US folks. To compete in the market them need to be competitive.. if not they go broke..or change direction of their goods or services. Simple free enterprise economics. I worked 25 yrs for a major co & I had produce.. & they paid me a satisfactory wage..One of the biggest costs to companies is employee turnover.. All the companies I worked with wanted a good labor force & those that did not handle the folks well failed.. I seen good people make a company.. good folks need to be paid or they’ d loose them..That’s supply & demand of labor.. plain & simple

  • Anonymous

    I came up in the depression & that level of poverty was many times worse than what is considered poor today. Yet we truly have poor today & we need to help out..like cathelaic charites, united way; salvation army; local free clinics & food pantries. I feel much better giving to these orgn than taxes to govt to buy votes for their party. What concerns many of the folks is there are people who look to govt (taxpayers) for everything in life.. This country did not grow & prosper with attitude. During the 30′s those on wealhfare were ashamed of their plight. They truly were in need & we looked out for each other..Today we hear some folks comment on what the govt gives them & they deserve it. We come along ways in the wrong direction.

  • Anonymous

    How long has poverty been in the world… The Lord in the Bible stated “we will always have the poor” Given this its what we do to help them..like say teaching them how to fish.

  • Anonymous

    I appreciate all of your comments & exchange of ideas. take care

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Big corporations are at issue and if they fail the state bails them out. Company loyalty to their employees has all but evaporated in the current market where they would have these “good employees” compete with hundreds for a single job, convicts labor in our own prison system and slave labor in other countries.

    Not sure what company you worked for, but those days are gone. Not too many people would be willing to but your assumption today.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Fully agree with you here. My bet s that they see large social unrest in the coming years. Sadly, a recent survey of solders showed that most, I think like 80%, would be willing to shoot their own citizens if ordered.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Beating up on social programs helped?? I doubt it! Much like we see now, these austerity programs are killing the state.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Not sure how these large companies are the foundation of America? Today they are cannibalizing the workers and off-shoring jobs which does nothing good for our country.

    Walmart is giving China free access to our markets which they have been fighting to have for years.

    Apple is suing everyone that wants to build competitive devices apple is monopolizing the markets for music and video (they are anti-free market)

    Bill Gates has done the same but lost out on style and substance with his Microsoft Corp.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Not sure your consistant with that claim that the power should always be with the people, given your love of corporatist doctrine….

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    The constitution is hardly the important document you think it is. Given it’s historical use to define people as property during slavery, denying women and minorities the right to vote, and it’s inability to protect the rights of every American to a trial after the NDAA Act Obama signed…. This does on, but you get the point!

  • Anonymous

    The state should not bail them out.. they should be allowed to fail..go bankrupt.. If it has a place in the market someone like Bain Capital will come in & buy them & hopefully make a private sector go of it. It saddens me to think the new breed of management does value the folks who make them successful. Of course if one can count on the state to bail them out why be prudent in your business & personnel matter. Supply & demand are working against the employee today.. If we get back on our feet that will change as I seen in 80′s

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Well just because Americans choose to invest in businesses that are corrupt, does not absolve them of their need to labor more humanely-even if it is your own money that supports them.

  • Anonymous

    Really scary.. this social unrest is selfinflected by govt

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    And I guess the high unemployment had nothing to with the people being unable to afford a house they previously could?

  • Anonymous

    During financial tough times harsh measures need to be employed & some folks suffer.. Just like in WWII with civilian rationing.. but the troops gave allot more than us.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Nice Decision making here: The CEO’s run the business to the ground and the workers will pay for it by loosing their jobs……

    Why not allow the corporation to die and turn the company over the the workers to own and run…..I am sure this could have been better for your nephew.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Typically the jobs lost are higher paying and the jobs gained include part-time and low paying jobs…

  • Anonymous

    The folks are the foundation of America. Yes I agree with your thoughts on Walmart.. They did not start out import their goods.. I remember a slogan they had.. Buy made in America.. Again Greed set in.. Competition is the best thing we got going for use Apple maybe the big dog now but that does not last.. i.;e. IBM

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Simple platitudes…. The point is not about what each person thinks make for a decent life, it is the security that every person is guaranteed equal opportunity, not outcome.

    We all should have healthcare, but if you decide to smoke you might not be able to hold onto your health, All schooling should be free, but if you do not apply yourself you might not become truly educated… etc…etc…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    The government is nothing but a reflection of big corporations who also owns the media. You have the logical order reversed in today’s context.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t look on corporate structure as a doctrine. It an entity like a partnership; LLC or individual propeitor.. They are all form of a business. The advantage a corp has it enables a good idea to generate capital buy selling stock to the folks ( the owners) The have enabled many firms to start & grow.. The stookholders (the folks) can vote the managers out. Giant Corps need to be watched.. Wall St Banks should be broke up & separate the commerical banking function from the investment banking. The mergers of the big oils was not right either.. Who allowed all this.. Govt… FTC.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    This is a direct contradiction to your other belief that the people should run the government. Unless by “people” you mean Corporations…. Democracy is where everyone has an equal vote, not where corporations have the chance to buy all their votes.

  • Anonymous

    Yes it was put together by man & has been properly amended .. including slavery, womens sufferage I not familiar with the NDAA Act. but will check it out. .Executive Order abuse is b een rappant in DC..We need to hold these folks to some road map of liberty & freedom or we will surely loose them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Your Dead Wrong: We are not the 2nd highest, only Mexico, Chili and Turkey have lower than us…

    Also, recent government give-ways do not make your point any better.

    But, you will find plenty of Taxpayer/Publically Funded Research has been simply taken by big business and used as though the public has not already invested in major area of technology and industry. This was a big debate a few years back, when a lot of money was available and corporations benefited directly.

    Democrats and Republicans have both ruined our economy by handing it over, along with our job security, to the big corporatist to destroy the American Dream and dump the democracy altogether.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    On the contrary, I think our cultures show much more cooperation than we show conflict. It is the corruptibility of our economies and government, by sociopaths, that has lead to a ruined human history.

  • Anonymous

    I would not knowingly invest in a corrupt co. I Have seen pricing fixing cases costing corp millions of dollars. Triple damages.. Our Govt & court system needs to be at work..Greed is still present in any form of businees.. One case I seen as a man owning a company brought to trail under predotory pricing policy violation. It cost him 29 million. The govt has done a poor job of bringing suit against the crooks.. .i.e. Jon Corzine..shhould be brought to trial be he bundled 900,000 for the presidents reelection..& seems he got a “get out of jaill card”

  • RunAmuckAmerican

    nope, for the people at the bottom, it is not possible, not without shelter to get a job in which you need a job to get shelter in…of course only after you pass a credit check which you won’t because if you’re homeless you credit is 0 to really bad, and then of course, there’s the background check and Heaven forbid if people didn’t make the best choices in their past..they won’t be given the opportunity to show they’ve learned from their mistakes because they still need a job but have no shelter and have no shelter because some richie rich is uncompassionate and has choosen to only help himself/herself to the top by not forking out a job to help someone get shelter to improve their credit, to have better health..and so on….and round and round it goes!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Those two figures should have been locked up…. capitalism is the problem and we can do better. The free market without limits quickly erupts into frequent historical crises that waste human lives and potential in the name of money.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    All charity comes from below, when the economic slaves submit to all the service and work we give the rich. Their charity must be about a deeply felt guilt!

  • Anonymous

    Of course it did.. However think back.. What was the unemployment rate in Oct 08…5-6 %.. Then the financial housing bubble..after which we were loosing 700,000 jobs a month.. after the bubble. The bubble caused the unemployment & junk mortgages were the financial currency of the day..around the world.. The congress failed to rein in fanny & freddie & we folks suffered for their lack of action.. Barney Frank criticized someone who question their financial condition & stated they were sound.. OPS they were forced to be taken over the us taspayers.. Enron boys went to jail for less

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    USSR was not an example of communism any more than the USA is an example of Capitalism. And for the workers who labor without benefit to themselves in both, it could be hard to tell which is best. I guess the words the plutocrats use would be different, but not much else.

  • Anonymous

    In this case the unions wages & retired pensions were killing the autos. as foreign plants were paying 14=16 dollars hr down south. vs 30 in detroit. but the pension payments to all the retirees were killing them. They should have gone bankrupt & reorganize. Employee buy out.. I’ve seen that work real well. two owners turned their company over the folks who made them wealthy..we need more of that

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    The rich would never give more than they take from this system… Only the worker gives more than they take. The charity is a sad myth, the charity of the poor is far greater a sacrifice.

    Again, both political parties have participated in the problems we see today. Don’t get caught up in that game. I am surprised to see people are still buying that joke.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Your perspective is clearly been presenter today, the corporations are the locus of positive change. Our current government is a handmaden for these large corporations, nothing more!

    But you might want to support Worker Self Directed Enterprises….. They can actually succeed where corporations have failed miserably.

  • Anonymous

    In a democratic govt the most important person is the voter.. BUT if the voter relinquences his power & accepts govt controlled by money then who should we blame..The will wake up after the fact. when its to late. We have no one to blame but the voters.. Like Jefferson commented.. “you have a republic if you can keep it” Well does not look to good now.

  • RunAmuckAmerican

    It’s only up to you when someone else in the accounting department doesn’t see you as a number to minimize or crunch. Because the lack of actual humanity is all of this is what’s killing Americans. Do the people at the top really need that extra million in their pockets at the expense of firing/laying off a bunch of employees that are close to retirement or struggle as single parent families. I’m sorry DG but, I can tell you have not really lived out there and experienced what so many are going through. I know this because it’s too easy for you to just say it’s your choice…sometimes it’s not a choice, it’s a direction forced upon you by someone with the power to exploit for their own personal gain way above and beyond what is “realistic living”. BTW, you shouldn’t be so judgemental in thinking that the unemployed don’t want to work…many many do want to work but the jobs available do not provide for the costs to live even at poverty…at least not without the help of the Government programs so many gripe about.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Walmart is the devil…. Samsung is now killing Apple and yes I fully agree: competition is good, but only if we support Worker Self Directed Enterprises which can compete with corporations!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    I agree, but this is not one of those financially hard times, we simply have a few people that have left nothing for the poor-even when it is the poor that created the wealth of our nation.

    Simply they can’t have it all!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Big Corporations are at the heart of policies that have eroded the progressive left.

    Chirs Hedges makes this point nicely when he talks of the big mistake our elite made when they destroyed the progressive elements in our country. Now with no voice for “piece meal” change for the poor, this country will explode in violence because the government is unable to reasonably respond to the plight of the mass of people.

  • RunAmuckAmerican

    DG I have Questions? So what happens when all the corporations continue to take jobs overseas instead of employing the people that are making them wealthy and the corporate profits continue to be stored off shore instead of the banks here in America where they do their business, and we all lose our jobs thereby losing our property…ARE YOU SAYING THAT POOR/HOMELESS PEOPLE HAVE NO RIGHTS, SUCH AS VOTING???
    Also, if the corporations and the wealthy aren’t paying taxes and the banks are being bailed out because the wealthy aren’t utilizing them, and Americans can’t find substantially paying work to house or feed themselves, so they can’t pay taxes either…What happens to America?
    Corporations have already set themselves up in other countries on the government tax break income? What happens to Americans? What happens to American lifestyle?

    Oh and btw, I’d like to see you go out somewhere…anywhere… in America and snag up a nice piece of land and build a house on it….let’s see what happens. Today’s age cannot be compared to homesteading in the way you described. The government back then helped those people/immigrants/foreigners buy those lands for pennies on the dollar.

  • Anonymous

    I would not advocate free markets without limits.. We have limits –laws but the DOJ & regulatory agencies are revolving doors with industry. .. Your point of corrupt corp (businesses) expects money making firms to not be greedy.. they will be… that is given.. what is not given is corrupt govt.. I place the trouble with govt..The gentlemen you say should be locked up are both dead but highly respected in economist circles. Folk in Wash like Keynes because he believes in big govt spending to gain full employment.. Well how did that 900,000,000 stimulus bill work out..We should have everyone employed by now. Our sysem is not perfect due to reasons stated.. What form of govt has been more successfull..What I’ve seen around the world… No thanks. Why to folks come here for health care & try to be US citizens.. More folks come here than any other country.. Just might it be that the American dream might exist.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    But the state is bailing them out as we speak…. We have to surmise at some point that our government has abandoned us and is being looted by the trillions. This is why some corporations will deserve to have everything taken from them. They have no illegitimate right to our wealth.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    No it is my pleasure to engage in honest debate…

    To do so is a sign of two truly free individuals.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Funny how the message of Jesus is clearly the rejection of material wealth and yet the Christianity practiced today a prosperity gospel….

    I can see Jesus now waiting for Joel Osteen to show up and knock him out cold.

  • RunAmuckAmerican

    hypothetically speaking: If you lost your source of income? And, due to your age, job was outsourced to a foreign country, or you are not the top epitomy of perfect health, or just because someone else had less experience than you will get the job because the corporation won’t have to pay them as much….How will you feed yourself if you don’t even own the land you stand on…therefore, you can’t grow your own food…therefore, you are homeless, jobless, foodless…destitute…(because you don’t think government should have programs to help they don’t exist in this scenario, because as you said people don’t want to work that are in these situations).
    How are you going to take care of your “independent hungry self”?
    Can you honestly say that you wouldn’t be searching for what you call some kind of entitlement, (I think, you call it a government handout), to help you get back on your feet? How “independent” do you really think you are?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    The poor do not need charity!!!

    They need the dignity of a good work that is protected from the exploitation of today Robber Barons and to this end we should all demand real market competition and democracy by supporting the Worker Self Directed Enterprises which can recover vacant factories and begin production under their own terms and in direct competition with the corporations that created our economic and political crises.

  • Anonymous

    5% of the richest taxpayer pay lile 60% of the total govt revenue which goes to pay wealth; food stamps; cell phones. etc.. How much should they pay.. 48% of the folks pay nothing.. Where is FAIR??

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    I will reply tomorrow on this one….going to be a little long.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    She has not posted in days… My guess is she has no justification for her beliefs

  • RunAmuckAmerican

    Thanks, well said :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    The bailouts, stimulus and everything else went to the Plutocrats. None of it is circulating in our economy: 1.4 Trillion in Business Profit is not being reinvested and an estimated 32 Trillion is sitting in tax havens… No wonder why it did not work.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    When Deborah G looses her wealth due to one major medical issue, she will loosed all of her false security: Then we can point to her when she looses her house, and ask her “Why did she take a house and mortgage when it was clear she could not pay for it on her own” Reality is a great teacher.

  • RunAmuckAmerican

    Very pessimistic, but under the current circumstances, it points to true

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Good point here, but the core problem is that there is no way to vote against the interest of of the corporatist when they own both parties.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    You are essentially saying that the demands of a livable wage lead to the demise of the auto industry.

    I think it was the exposure of American Jobs to an economy rooted in slave labor across the seas that the cause of this kind of gross competition.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    A lot of factors was surely at play, but the reliance on credit was going to end and the housing bubble was simply a reflection of this credit problem. As far as the worker part, they did not see an increase in their real wages since the 1970′s. The house of cards fell and yet the real wealth has been sucked out of everyone’s pockets and into the big banks who only put up free money from the fed to leverage the largest wealth grab since the Great Depression.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Well it is hard to keep the government interested in these types of crimes when corporations can pay politicians to cut the funding for these offices.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Fully agree. But you may be shocked to find out the president can indefinitely detain anyone and can kill them without trial..legally…. it’s in the NDAA act. Happy reading

  • RunAmuckAmerican

    Darn, I was really interested in her response.

  • RunAmuckAmerican

    Well, I’m not one to throw stones when I own a glass house too. (wink) But, I will help out by providing a list of those government programs that have helped out so many people. Oh, and even google map directions for her.

    There was a time where it was easier to be on these programs for less than 6 months but, that was years ago…when you could call customer service in the states and get someone in the states. Jobs are not easy to obtain any more. There is a ton of competition. Even those will college behind them struggle for longer than 9 months to find sustainable employment. One of my relatives has a master’s degree in teaching and he just barely finished nursing school and finally has full time hours. He still has mega student loans on the first college degree added to the new nursing degree. They did move to a different area so he could get work BUT, someone else paid for the moving expenses. (It wasn’t his new job either.) People without resources for help outside of government are left with the government as their only choice for help out of a bad situation sometimes. Oh well, guess enough said.

  • Anonymous

    I mentioned the internet? So the government also builds every computer? It’s true that the government provides our basic utilities, but without the incentive to produce you would be waiting in line for four hours for a loaf of bread.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    the good old Efficiency Myth of private enterprise … Well all I can tell is that big corporations have asked for trillions in aid and almost crashed our whole economy.

  • Anonymous

    Well you have every right to disagree, but my friends from Venezuela, the Ukraine, and the former U.S.S.R. have me convinced that private enterprise is better than all the rest. I am not pro corporation, I am pro small business and we do have problems with our taxing policy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    I find is telling that we Americans can be quite conversational when we discuss anything but our economy.

    Capitalism, Socialism and Communism all have proven inadequate in securing the dignity of the working poor. All of these systems have managed to exploit the worker in the same way, with one ruling class and the rest drift into poverty.

    A system with Worker Self Directed Businesses and Individual Worker Consortiums can offer a Capitalists System, with out the need for worker’s rights and regulation, because no group of workers would make business decisions that would harm themselves.

    We need to rethink capitalism…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    When 5% of Americans own 60% of our nations wealth this tax distribution adds up….

    With such a vast proportion of wealth it is no wonder why they may be paying more in taxes, don’t you think? The fact that you are concerned about this is telling. The media owned by the 1% has you feeling sorry for theirs plight.

    Now what does not get figured in on all of this taxing is the differences in social security. Everyone earning fewer than 110k per year pay 12.5% tax on their full income, but after that they pay noting. Can you imagine the real Social Security someone pays if they make a million? Its under 1.2%… Is that fair?

    As for the 48% that don’t well they are poor!!!! They have nothing more to give after giving their businesses all of their wealth creation, they have nothing, but you want them to pay taxes on the wealth they gave their corporate masters too??

  • Anonymous

    Yes .. foreign competition has been the driver of too many industries..I is a goal of a free enterprise system to have an educated successful middle class who adds value to our society via taxes; selffullment & higher standards of livings.. We a best when all succeed. The disruption of the auto industry & others are hard pills to swallow..Robotics have been employed in allot of manufacturing plants. Let not forget the 2 main objections of a company…l..make a return on investments 2. staying in business.. some are working hard just to stay in business. Folks suffer as well

  • Anonymous

    Alan Greenspan would have been better advised to increase interest rates during this bubble build up.. He was a big party to it with cheap money. You get it.. Instead of breaking up the banks the boys in Wash allowed them to merge so now we have only 6 really big giant banks..As I previously stated .. they should be broken up…but politics gets their campaign funding from them.
    Again the revolving door.. Goldman Sachs has been the center of most financial crisis..After the crisis they are healthier than before thanks to the taxpayers.

  • Anonymous

    We acknowledge businesses are money driven.. that is a given.. Where did the founding fathers state politicians should take bribes.. pay for play.. If they stop taking the money & doing the peoples work we might survive.. but its gotten so corrupt in Wash they do not value the folks other than buy votes with our tax dollars & make false promises every election.. The voters need to wake up.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    The problem is that the economic goals are set by a few and their goals are not about the health of the American Worker, middle class or Poor, this is not Democracy!

  • Anonymous

    I am not an advocate for the rich.. they seem to do quite well on their own.. Any defense of them would be for their capability to invest their money to create jobs.. I never worked for a poor person.. It takes capital to grow our economy & to over tax capital so it discourages investment is self defeating. for the would be new workers. What is fair?? you ask 1000 folks & you’ll get 1000 viewpoints. Are middle class needs to be healthy & educated.. Our capital needs to create jobs for the poor & bring them up the ladder..Govt capital (tax dollars) is not good at creating jobs as proven these past 4 yrs.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    The problem with waking up is that even you and I have very different solutions to the same problems we both seem to share common values on.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    You have to imagine that the CEOs are going to make decisions in a very different way, than if the business was owned and operated by the workers. The CEO would take jobs over seas for the additional profit, where as a worker-owner would not consider it. Really you should start thinking about Worker Self Directed Enterprises as a solution to the economy we have and what that would mean.

  • Anonymous

    And the emplyees pay more taxes & the businesses get government subsidies to steal other areas’ businesses.

  • Anonymous

    Patents on human genes have caused a lot of restricted markets & profiteering.

  • Anonymous

    Every change in political regime has its benefits & new problems. Advantage is relative.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, exploited when the head makes 1000+ times a hour than a worker. Your statement works in any system. Boo

  • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.potter.12 Jeff Potter

    …When they talk about the worker being exploited they are not talking about the individual per se (or what the individual could do with their life). They are talking about a general worker who works there and how when one works there they are not treated fairly. Do you think its ok to treat a worker horribly possibly even illegally just because that worker might have an opportunity to work elsewhere? People like you will be the downfall of humanity.

  • Anonymous

    If staying in business is an objective it makes no difference who owns the company or stock..If the company is not competitive in the industry they will fail. Companies that are employee own as well as those with profit sharing have to make the same managerial decisions..I do not believe cos plan to mistreat their employees for the sake of the bottom line.. There are market economic conditions that cause them make decisions about their labor costs. I’ve known home builders who take marginal contruction jobs so as to keep their well trained workers…some had to be laid off.. If the employees had owned the construction co.. wouldn’t they have to go thru the same decision??? The free market works both ways.. good & bad. That is why we have bankruptancy laws.

  • http://www.facebook.com/david.ward.9216 David Ward

    Money buys our elected representatives these days so if you are in the lower income brackets you are of no value to those who are shaping the agenda to continue this greedy few who insist it’s because you didn’t try hard enough. Where are the jobs bills? We can overcome this flawed balance of power by watching our elected officials and how they vote. Major legislation is stalled in congress by big money lobbyists and their threats to back other candidates if they refuse to vote as they suggest. Cowards, yes, but traitors to their constituents who voted for them to pass common sense initiatives that help the economy or protect them from harm.

  • http://www.facebook.com/david.ward.9216 David Ward

    I am so sick and tired of this “small business” baloney. I know many small business owners and know how easy it is to hide cash and avoid taxes. Any business that refuses Credit Cards should be suspect because those purchases leave a paper trail. I knew a very successful auto repair business owner who is retired comfortably in Arizona after skimming much of the cash flow into off shore accounts. It’s the greed that keeps this country from being able “to form a more perfect Union”. Amen

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    It’s not some Deep Seated Greet at the heart of mankind-we show much more corporation than we do conflict as a whole … It is simply that 3% of our population are sociopaths.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    The only way to overcome this exploitation in our economics is to build Worker Self Directed Businesses as an alternative to the corporate model where a few make all the decisions and take all the wealth the workers make.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Justsilvie Silvia McDonald

    Wow I bet you also hated the story of the kid asking for that second bowl of Porridge. But I am sure if things keep going as they are he will have to work for it.

  • http://twitter.com/TheLifeologist ReTinaTheLifeologist

    PLEASE READ this article I wrote on 4/13. I know this issue personally because I am one of two women in the story I wrote, homeless today primarily because of the issues you address.
    http://www.examiner.com/article/the-solidarity-of-two-homeless-women-rebuilding-their-lives-houston

  • http://www.facebook.com/marc.w.kohler Marc W. Kohler

    Read Krugman’s book, Stop this Depression Now.

  • Anonymous

    It normally does. “Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it” I can’t remember who I just quoted, but this is definitely becoming the case today. I just hope it doesn’t take as long to turn this around as it did the first time. Maybe since there are people who still remember what a decent wage and benefits package are this will kind of fast track itself back into being. Even so, this isn’t going to happen on it’s own, we need to elect pro-labor representatives and force the corporations and other top earners to pay a fair share of the national tax burden.

  • Taxi Steve

    Exactly. The real move began in the 60′s, but more noticeable in the 80′s when the regressive taxes rose and progressive (income) dropped. It was basic arithmetic 101, and being a non-math country, the wool was pulled over most peoples eyes. With wealth comes power….the only voice of the working man was a collective voice through unions, and the unions were made out to be the cause of workers hardships. Conservative think-tanks had people believing they were getting a good deal when taxes were cut, when it was putting more distance between them and the haves. Now the wealthy have changed all the rules, they own the politicians, and the working poor are left to suffer, as cheap labor is brought in to take the few good paying jobs that were left, forcing Americans to compete at job levels 40% of real dollars they had been, but still 400% greater than the income those who took the jobs could make in their own countries. Work several years here, save save save, and go home in 7-10 years with what would have taken you 40-50 years to earn back home. Meanwhile, not spending in your temporary country, that economy suffers, while your true country benefits from all of those dollars flying back over the oceans. No, I am not mad at those who came and did that. I’m mad at the haves for conning the uneducated to believe we had to offer the same thing, the American Dream, to others because our grand parents, etc, were immigrants. Big difference coming here to live and coming here to grab money and leave. But they did it because they could, and did it for their families. I would too if given the same opportunity. A great deal of people still look in the wrong direction when placing blame for the shape of the country. Instead of looking down, and I know it’s harder on the neck, but try looking up. Iraq was another money grab. “War is a Racket”. America is looking more like Rome with each year that passes, and we’ve only been top dog for 60-70 years. It’s really sad though when I see kids just accept this, because their generation doesn’t know any better. They never saw times when you could work 35-40 hours to survive, or work 50 hours to get ahead….they only know 60 hours, no overtime, no benefits, and everything the company does is with regards to the next quarterly report. Very depressing to those of us who remember when just about everyone had a chance here.

  • http://twitter.com/TheLifeologist ReTinaTheLifeologist

    I know this issue personally because I am one of two women in the story I wrote, homeless today primarily because of Long-term Unemployment, Age and host of other judgments of others and harsh realities. http://www.examiner.com/article/the-solidarity-of-two-homeless-women-rebuilding-their-lives-houston

  • taxi-steve

    Boy…this just became more and more sickening as it went on. I say if they want to move offshore to beat the government on taxes, (actually beat those of us working poor), or higher overseas cheap labor, let them peddle their wares overseas and offshore.

  • http://twitter.com/ChristianEcon christianecon.com

    The inevitable result of less-and-less regulated capitalism.

  • http://twitter.com/ChristianEcon christianecon.com

    Didn’t know ghosts were capable of straw men.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000994122229 Cynthia Davis

    looking at the stats we have surpassed the Robber Baron Era and are well into Feudalism again.

  • http://twitter.com/ChristianEcon christianecon.com

    Works that way in free market Somalia. Move there. We’ll do the first world thing here.

  • chucklesnhope

    NO system is going to be successful if the practitioners are unethical

  • http://www.facebook.com/susan.campoccio Susan Campoccio

    check ; becoming like India, no? ( without historical culture)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    No system that relies on a boss to make the decisions for the workers can be ethical, but a system rooted in the worker’s own decisions will by its very nature be ethical.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Actually I think that fallacy was a Hasty Generalization….

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Thanks… nice summery. But I have a lot of hopes that these kids today will actually have it in them to radically change this system for the better, if only both our generations would get out of their way…..

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    I really agree with your sentiments, but your prescription for getting out of this is really playing back in to the same servile attitudes that keep the working poor powerless.

    We need to rethink our relationship with the typical boss, the worker needs to organize awround each other and form their own businesses. We need to fire the boss! Look into Worker Self Directed Enterprises.

    Real economic wealth is what you create, not how much you have in the bank. And so the Worker, not the boss, is the foundation.

    Rethink Capitalism!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1218788561 Mary Linda Corson-Haynes

    I’m sure you meant this reply tongue In cheek. The message of a Christmas Carol was the conversation between Marley and Scrooge. If you recall Scrooge said, “But Jacob you were always a good man of business” Marleys agonized response was, “Mankind was my business”. Caring for someone other than your own greedy selfish desires. Helping someone when you can. Caring about your fellow human beings. Gee, wasn’t there another fellow that preached that? OH you know how these leftist radicals are.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mossmanjam James Mossman

    Forty-five years ago I started with
    $1,500.00 when I exited the US Marine Corps. I worked two jobs,
    became a teacher, but unlike others in my profession, I invested in
    property and a small business. As I look back the property and small
    business is why I succeed. I started as a teacher 45 years ago at
    around $14,000 a year. When I retired I was making $80,000 a year.
    Over the years we teachers took cuts in wages and some benefits.
    After 30 years I was asked to make $10,000 less to help out the
    young teachers. Why? I asked the AFT, the union for teachers. They
    gave me no good answer so I retired. When your own union, American
    Federation of Teachers, can’t keep teachers wages up with economic
    growth and consumer expenses, there is no hope for the future.
    Without teachers, there are no doctors, plumbers, carpenters,
    engineers ….. There is a class war in the US and it is “we have
    it” and “you be satisfied” with what you have. The only way to
    bring up the economic bottom of our community is to give the young
    people of the community the tools to build a better and brighter
    tomorrow. We have to have faith in our teachers and our leadership in
    out community. Here in Longview, Washington we have a leader who
    wants to sell off schools in one last ditch effort to save face. It’s
    time for new leadership. Sell the superintendent’s contract not the
    schools.

  • Rebecca

    What I can’t reconcile is how can the wealthy really believe they can prosper in the long run when they ignore the plight of the working poor and the erosion of the middle class. Don’t those who count themselves among the one percent understand that their wealth is dependent on us? How much is enough for the wealthy? Can’t we all rise in the boat together?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/William-Leavenworth/1096143582 William Leavenworth

    Ahead to the past. 1789.

  • E minjung

    if any one raises their voice against this economic system iam afraid instead of dealing the issue they are branded as enemy of the state .

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    I say it a lot but……sociopaths is the answer.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ironmandan77 Dan Fierro

    A fairer distribution of wealth is something I would love to see in my lifetime. A person who has to work for food & shelter should at least earn enough income to live in a decent place! That doesn’t seem to be the case in our geared for success society, where the land of the spree & the home of the slave is best defined by the term “Parasitical Domain”! Hey! I’m not bitter! I kind of like not being wealthy, and not having to deal with greed! :) <3

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    What a perfect example of the American Wealth Narrative. Typically we judge our success based on the third worlds we plunder: Saying, “Hey, at least we are doing better than other countries”. What a yard stick. We all feel as though the question of giving every working person a decent life is void of meaning, in this context. And man does it work well… I can’t tell you how many conversations and personal beliefs stop at this point.

    We need to forget about the comparisons-especially since the people that devistated the third worlds, are the same ones subverting our constitutional rights and creating poverty here too.

    We all work for a living and we deserve the fruits of our modern technology. Forget about terms like “Geared for Success”, these terms sre only subverting our awareness of the possibility of providing everyone on this planet a decent life.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    What a perfect example of the American Wealth Narrative. Typically we judge our success based on the third worlds we plunder: Saying, “Hey, at least we are doing better than other countries”. What a yard stick. We all feel as though the question of giving every working person a decent life is void of meaning, in this context. And man does it work well… I can’t tell you how many conversations and personal beliefs stop at this point.

    We need to forget about the comparisons-especially since the people that devastated the third worlds, are the same ones subverting our constitutional rights and creating poverty here too.

    We all work for a living and we deserve the fruits of our modern technology.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    We can avoid our own slavish nature by looking towards new ideas like: Encrypted Currency (Bitcoin) that removes the banks from every transaction, Worker Self Directed Enterprises that fire the bosses, and a Free Online University Systems that secures education for all at all times in their life. Recoverd Factory Movement that puts unemployed to work in empty factories.

    Ideas like this are ready and have shown to work, the result from these ideas is nothing less than a great leap in human freedom!!!!

  • Anonymous

    The liberal class warfare message is working obviously..The numerous foundations the wealthy have set up are too numerous to list.. i.e. The Carneigie Fd sponsors Billy Moyers. You are making some big assumptions about the wealthy..Would be be better off without the free enterprise system that encourages success which takes allot of folks with them on the road to success. No one is happy with what has happened to the middle class over these past years, but what is the cause of their plight? Bad Govt not the wealthy.. that they would have you believe.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    Bad Government? or Sold out government? Do you not think our government has been manipulated by corporations?

  • Anonymous

    Its being manipulated by any number of special interests- green energy; big pharm; unions; banks; almost every industry.. gambling; indian affairs; dairy;. etc..I would not limit the manipulation to corporations alone.. Not all lobbyist are for corporations alone

  • http://www.judithgargyi.vpweb.com Judith

    Speaking truth to power..thank you!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brian-Novotny/100000794703459 Brian Novotny

    If President Obama truly is for the people and change, I would like to challenge him to resurrect FDR’s “Second Bill of Rights”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    All of these special interests groups are part of the problem in that they thwart real change by playing within this oppressive hegemony. This is accomplished by misrepresenting the needs of the people and offering piece-meal reform. We need revolutionary changes, not reforms that play within this system that can take the people decades to enact, and the corporatist months to resend. Any changes that can be made, must be enacted by the 99%.

  • Anonymous

    The folks need to take their citizenship franchise seriously before Wash have any chance of changing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    I agree, but I also think, just as the slaves did not simply get together and denounce slavery, These new forms of economic slavery comes with it’s own systems of discursive power, control and surveillance: All of which, requires new liberating systems to be in place to support the move forward. Don’t you agree?

    Personally, I think It was never about a vote. Progressive changes always came by way of mass demonstrations: force from the bottom.

  • Lindy

    Lindy
    Ok, I have read over half of the comments, and I need to ask, “so then what?” When “they” have all the money and the power and the glory, “then what?” There will be no one to buy the crap “they” produce in their factories/corporations, will we just sit and watch “them” devour each other, because that’s all there is?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russell-Spears/722541834 Russell Spears

    The corporatist are already moving to the next spot to plunder. They call these spots “Growing Markets”. The same big corporations that told us to buy US products, are now leaving the workers behind in a third world economy here in the country that gave them everything to stay, but will leave anyway. We need to focus on Worker Self Directed Enterprises. Listen to Richard Wolff he addresses all of this on his show Economic Update.

  • Trimtab

    In the last 30 years productivity of American workers almost DOUBLED, yet median income went up only 18%.

    But the top 1% incomes have gone up 275% in the 30 years, and 90% of all America’s GDP growth went to the top 10%.

    Predatory Wall Street banks and multinational corporations are rapidly turning America into another 3rd world country, and Republicans are helping them.

    The CBO, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office, estimates there will be a loss of 750,000 jobs from the Sequester over two years.

    That’s the POINT!

    The Congressional Republicans want to hurt jobs, hurt the economy, put us back into a
    recession if they can, and try to blame Obama.

    They figure that’s their only chance in 2014 & 2016.

  • Marie

    A homeless man in San Jose apparently jumped from a parking garage and killed himself today.

    http://spartandaily.com/104904/man-dies-on-corner-of-fourth-and-san-fernando-streets

  • Steve Paul

    It seems some value & serve money over life, maybe even more than proliferate but be encouraged!
    Great answers are at hand!
    Fusion Thorium Generators
    Transparency of public governance!
    More :-)

  • Steve Paul

    Tee hee hee :-)

  • Steve Paul

    I suggest lots of things including informed when favorable petitioning at White House onlin when best

  • Shep

    If you do anything else before you leave us, PLEASE, read, two books. (1. Why America Failed written by Morris Berman. 2. Walking Away From Empire – A Personal Journey written by Guy McPherson.) and get these two on ur programs as soon as possible.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/James-Herman/100001010274735 James Herman

    OK, all you people who lament income inequality. Who among you will have only one child or none at all? Who among you will support ending exclusionary zoning to make the housing market free? Local governments and homeowner’s associations have been using exclusionary zoning devices to raise the cost of housing to exclude lower income groups deemed undesirable. In 1967 some Detroiters rioted to protest exclusion. In 2013 there are 10,000 acres of empty lots in Detroit. From 2000 to 2010 240,000 people left Detroit. All those houses are being torn down. Detroit still has exclusionary zoning. Ohio’s attorney general used the bank settlement money to finance tearing down 100,000 homes that were foreclosed and then trashed. End exclusionary zoning, make the housing market free and you’ll be able to buy a home as easily and as cheaply as you can buy a car. Simple as that. Then at least you can easily move your singlewide mobile home or your travel trailer or whatever else you prefer and can afford to live in to where the next job is. You just have to buy the lot. And why can’t that lot be 26 ft by 60 ft? That’s was the lot size I lived on in my 14 ft by 52 ft singlewide mobile home for 18 yrs in a mobile home park. Trouble was I just couldn’t buy that lot and pay property taxes like everyone else because Farmington Hills, MI (near Detroit) said a home has to be at least 24 ft wide and conform to existing housing. I was paying $310/mo lot rent or $3,720/yr. After I lost my job in Oct 2008 I decided to just retire. I moved my singlewide 300 miles south to a quarter acre lot that’s about 55 miles east of Cincinnati. Now I’m paying $718/yr in property taxes.

  • http://meadonmanhattan.com/ Howard Freeman

    What data are you basing your statements on? People who attend churches (and synagogues, Mormon temples, and mosques; but more so churches) drive the $300B charitable giving industry in this country, eclipsing all other countries by a long shot. I’ll grant that other countries do better in terms of volunteering, helping strangers and other forms of assistance (documented by the UK-based Charities Aid Foundation), but “economic slavery” is a poorly defined concept and as slippery as quicksilver. If what you mean by “economic slavery” is debt, then there are indeed vultures who prey on the poor. But liberal Hollywood and Madison Avenue have as much guilt as anyone in perpetuating a society that is not satisfied with anything less than the latest toys, which drives poor people into deeper “economic slavery.”

  • Russell Spears

    I am not talking about the fraction of donations the many churches offer, I am talking about their passive compliance with an economic system of exploitation. How Sunday Sermons forget to remind the people that we must be vocal and speak out for the poor and working poor. Today too many churches are directly involved with the system of economic slavery. a word that clearly defines a wide majority of people in this world.

  • http://meadonmanhattan.com/ Howard Freeman

    First, the “fraction of donations” of the charitable giving pie constitutes the single largest giving segment. Education is second. Second, the Salvation Army (a church in itself) raises more money than any other nonprofit except for United Way (which is an aggregate of community fundraisers), and it provides so much direct aid to the poor relieving economic slavery and otherwise that no less than Peter Drucker called it the most effective organization. Third, and again, where is your data? What do you mean “Sunday sermons forget to remind people…”? I have been in churches for my worship life and professional life for decades and I have heard many different Christian denominations address poverty and economic slavery. Most of the organizations today working toward alleviating ultra-poverty, sex trafficking, AIDS in Africa and other issues that are enslaving people are started by people who follow Jesus Christ. I don’t believe you can back up your criticism of Christians on this one.

  • Russell Spears

    Where was the church when we had the largest protests since the 60’s in America, last year. They promote poverty by failing to speak out publicly and taking action. The religion functions to pacify the masses with Sunday chants and sermons that justify war and the crude violence that is our economic system. Building churches on every corner of the city where the homeless sleep outside. Christianity as a religion quickly seated itself with power and wealth. Throughout history the religion has sided with oppression of the poor. Sure they speak about the poor, they have to when they encounter their contradictions when teaching about Christ.

    Giving to charities is not doing the work of God nor is it the life of Christ. Jesus did not simply throw a few crumbs to the poor (even when they throw more than the other secular neighbors) and then just walk past them with self pride. Forget your instance on being the biggest “chartable giver” and pray for your church in hope that it might save it’s own soul. Stop “talking about it” in church and stop giving handouts that make you feel better, focus on getting the church to push for a better economy and democracy and justice.

    Martin Luther King is the example of a life of Christ, not the church today. He confronted poverty and injustice he did not throw some spare change at it , and to your shame, he did not care if it was more than what other did.

  • http://meadonmanhattan.com/ Howard Freeman

    Russell, I am open to being taught by the surprises in life and to being humbled by the truth. Are you?

  • Russell Spears

    I simply ask that you respond to the debate you offered and remain relevant to the discussion.

  • http://meadonmanhattan.com/ Howard Freeman

    My last comment reads out of context and unnecessarily blunt. Forgive me. I felt I was arguing on the points earlier and what I believed were baseless accusations. Your rebuttals were broad and didn’t appear to be be backed with specifics or examples–they consisted of bashing the Christian Church. I’m willing to see and accept or at least tolerate a different perspective, and to be humbled by that. I asked if you were similarly open.

  • Russell Spears

    No need to forgive, if indeed you wished to engage in honest debate. However, if you’re asking my position on knowledge, good luck finding truth (absolute certain knowledge or justified True belief)-especially in a day and age such as ours. Humility is the very condition of man and something I feel Jesus makes explicit in this project and thus I find the position a priest or pope takes in the church equally perverse (imagine any man standing in place of God).

    But I think it edifying for the both of us to continue exploring our perspectives on the issue of the Church its role or non-role in social inequality.

  • http://meadonmanhattan.com/ Howard Freeman

    I agree with you about the wrongful role of anyone standing in the position of God–which is one way abuse happens. Further, I can’t improve on how you end your comment, so I won’t try–good word, my friend!

  • Russell Spears

    The New Pope Francis, issued a blistering attack on capitalism:

    “A savage capitalism has taught the logic of profit at any cost, of giving in order to get, of exploitation without thinking of people … and we see the results in the crisis we are experiencing,”

  • Russell Spears

    If we all made a good decision to have no children “Our economy would die out in 30 years”. The poor having children is necessary for an economy based on economic slavery. Blaming the poor, and not a system that creates poverty and feeds on them.

  • http://meadonmanhattan.com/ Howard Freeman

    I think we can agree on the nut of this quote. Here’s a link to an article I wrote for my previous employer–a large church here in NYC–in which I highlighted how the Gospel affects our earning and giving, and also “should” affect how government officials treat our personal money (because, as Lewis Hyde would say, we earn for the benefit of others and not just ourselves). I offer it as an agreement with you of how destructive selfish capitalism can be. http://redeemer.com/news_and_events/newsletter/index.html?aid=165

  • Gabriela Amari

    Exactly Brian!!

  • Jen

    My favorite part of this piece:
    “A petty, narcissistic, pridefully ignorant politics has come to dominate and paralyze our government,”

  • Leslie

    and these huge tech companies avoid federal income tax by taking shelters in Ireland and Netherlands, etc. in the Billion$ !

  • OneVoiceForReason

    Just wondering. Does one have to have a lack of compassion to find this outrageous? Does the fact that Fox News reported it make them Tea Party bigots? http://clashdaily.com/2013/05/govt-leech-alert-illegal-immigrant-gets-food-stamps-meds-housing-social-security-for-20-years/

  • sh4rkbyt3

    I worked in a similar atmosphere of what you’re talking about Russell. Similar in the sense of workers having a voice without having to pay for Union representation and a “lattice” system of leadership (W.L. Gore & Assoc. Inc.). It worked when the owner and “somewhat’ creator implemented it. When he died and his son took over the company, it turned into to a typical top to bottom corporation. Waterline level decisions were slowly taken from workers hands and personal retirement accounts suffered dramatially over a fairly short period of time.
    You are also leaving out though state mandated laws which are the opposite of what they’re worded as, such as “Right To Work”.
    Years later at this company, workers were re-programmed to understand the new concept of what the original owner put very simply to us as simple and fair guidelines that benefitted us and the company. They had never even met the man or spoke one word with him but were there on a daily basis giving us endless meetings to sell us on “their” concept of what he meant. “ANY” form of question or non-compliance was met with unquestionable and immediate termination. It was sad to see this happen to a company that people actually dreamed of working for many, many years ago. We actually loved and enjoyed going to work everyday and being a part of it’s success and enjoying the spoils of seeing our ideas that we invented or helped to invent come to life. Now workers there fear for their jobs and are afraid they’ll be fired at any given moment if they don’t comply with rotating schedules, moving plant to plant with or without notice sometimes several times a week and complete submission to the new thought process.
    Maybe this isn’t exactly what you’re describing as Worker Self Directed Businesses but at one time it was similar to that and yes it did work. Ultimately though, the upper crust in this instance still held the cards and looking outside in now I see it more clearly than ever.

  • sh4rkbyt3

    The sad truth of all of this is that no matter what is implememented, designed or thought of, we as a society are doomed to repeat all of this once again.
    I clearly remember my Civics teacher in high school who explained to us all of the measures that were put into place so we would never possibly have another Great depression like we saw 3 times previously. (Yes, there were actually 3 of them not just the big one). Despite all of those measures, we have slowly seen the errosion of all of the safety nets by greedy self righteous lawyers and judges (most of whom are VERY active in the political spectrum), question each and every word within a law to misconstrue it’s original meaning and intentions and thereby either water it down until it became meaningless or completely restructure the laws (old and new) to empower themselves and corporate beneficiaries, carried happily overtime (at least for a while) without knowing it, on the backs of the Middle Class.
    We can even check this through out every part of human existance, the battle of the haves and the have nots. It’s never ended and sadly it never will. We, through our demands and some sense (perhaps) of morality by our former leaders, prospered after the second World War at an unprecendented rate in history as a society. At the time, the wealthy had no choice but to grin and bear it. But I believe they knew all too well we were no different than a large group of small companies that they simply waited on, allowed to grow fat, and then began to scoop up the profits from as we fell out of economic balance and kilter that they themselves created the playing rules for long long ago.
    I laugh at the news often times, especially at those who call themselves Conservatives who refuse to admit there is and will (in general terms) ALWAYS be a class warfare going on. Whether you see it, feel it or are immediately touched by it or not doesn’t simply mean it does not exist, and it is this very ignorance of why I laugh when some tries to sell me Liberty, Patriotism, Capitalism and a sense of loyalty to a system that is like a used car saleseman when it comes to actual freedom. And yes I served my country in the military and have the dd214 to prove it, which is what makes me all the more skeptical about where we are headed.

  • Emile

    Sorry but I strongly disagree with your statement of “There will always be disparity of wealth, and there should be.”. Will there always be disparity? In reality, probably yes, but does that mean we should simply accept that, you sure seem to think so quite openly.
    I equate your level of almost complete acceptance of “it should be.” like saying ti’s ok to murder people because someone thinks there are too many people in a small boat.
    And then your general insult of “large portion of “not very good at math” American’s”? Wow sit on the high horse very much there do we?

  • Emile

    What?

  • http://www.facebook.com/bonnie.speeg Bonnie Speeg

    Wow, the next time you see a legitimate ‘Indian affair, that big old mean green energy or a dairy farmer manipulating our government please do give me a reply backed up with thousands of statistics and numbers on this. Thanks!

  • http://www.facebook.com/bonnie.speeg Bonnie Speeg

    This could have happened when the field was ripe back in the 60′s…..it was as though everyone was into real change. The needs of the people were directed toward the powers that be. There are, of course, hundreds, if not thousands, of thrusts toward protecting the majority against a lot of issues that are currently compromising our economy, our social systems, our policies, our environment, our health care, etc. The warnings were out there at that time, and people were listening and wanted the change. But now? Today in 2013? At best I see exactly what you stated, “piece-meal reform’.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bonnie.speeg Bonnie Speeg

    The answer is someone antisocial (and usually criminal, without moral responsibility or social conscience? I’m sure I must have missed something in between the question and this answer being sociopaths.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bonnie.speeg Bonnie Speeg

    You go to the head of the class. Our family is full of teachers (and yes, other professions too) and I’ve watched my cousin as the president of AFT of Ohio fight for what the teachers should have for retirement. What you described about yourself is the history of one good teacher. I understand having to retire. Unfortunate under the conditions. As you mentioned, the selling and closing of schools (several large cities doing it as I write this…) is abominable and a travesty to our society. Where in the world do the governing officials state and nation-wide think children learn to read and under what conditions? My children are 35 and 40. I’m grateful they were in school while it was not in jeopardy. I pray for my 2-year old grandchild. Homeschooling is happening everywhere…and at an alarming rate. I do not think it’s the solution; yet thousands of families take their kids out of school systems every week. Kudos to your years in service to society.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bonnie.speeg Bonnie Speeg

    You said it!

  • Khan

    ‘Free Market’ is not synonymous with ‘anarchy’.

  • Anonymous
  • Russell Spears

    “Inequity will always be”…sure, but a few having everything is the problem. Further, assuming the few worked harder than the poor is a total absurdity!!!!!

    Not only do you wish to hide the real problem you wish to spread an outright lie about hard working poor.

  • nina

    ~~The Hunger Games~ US~ Style!~ ; (~

  • Anonymous

    These treasonous corporations charters should be revoked, their assets seized, management should go to jail followed by deportation and revocation of citizenship, and their ill-gotten gains confiscated due to felonious tax avoidance .

  • http://www.facebook.com/roger.dafremen Roger Dafremen

    I’ve found that people working hard to “pile up wealth” is a matter of them striving for the opportunity to sit on their ass and let others do the work for them. I like to call it “wealthfare” since a profitable company gets its bills paid by the public. The CEO of a profitable company is simply a welfare case who gets his food, clothing, shelter AND luxuries off the public’s dime, without having to eat humble pie like the poor do.

    I mean where did those profits come from, if not the public?

    You might say, “Well they worked for it!” Look I’ve sat in countless meetings, and while they are tedious, boring and repetitious..they are rarely work. And no one FORCED them to add their bodies to the ranks of suited executives and office workers just to work their way to the Wonka Golden Ticket of a fat ride for life.

    Small business owners work very hard to start their companies..but in the end, they are working hard to create their OWN Dept. Of Human Services. More often than not, they do this by convincing the public to buy more than it needs, or things that it doesn’t need at all; glutting our lives with useless crap, sucking up the resources and filling the airwaves with money-grubbing videos that often convince folks that their lives are lacking, their breath stinks, their social relationships are in jeopardy, or that their world is filled with danger. All of these messages are DETRIMENTAL to the good mental health of our nation. But who cares if it keeps those “wealthfare” dreams alive, right?

    Cowboys watered, fed and sheltered their horses before taking care of themselves. A good business treats its workers the same way..and thus EARNS its free ride, by TRULY providing society with the BENEFITS of commerce. Not just its baggage.

    I also think Antigua Farms, that your attitude about hitting “the ‘re-start’ button” would be completely different if you were part of the 1% that owns most of the wealth. See? That’s the problem with that ideology. You can’t have it both ways.

  • Anonymous

    Compassion is not the feeling I have when I see our leaders lust for power & greed is causing our nation to loose its freedoms & financial collapse as well as leadership role in the world.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks but not thanks.. you are of the mindset to go after corporations..Just one item for you to check out would be the facts that caused Jack Abbermof, the lobbyist, to go to jail for years due to the Indian affairs scandal.. Ops.. that might be a fact. Solynda comes to mind.. OPs

  • am_an_american

    Our America began with inequality, rich or poor. Few were between or middle class unless they were businessmen.supplying needs/products. Education level has always played a part in this disparity. So, how do we create a more evenly balanced division of society? Black, brown, olive, white, fair? Can we ever become more equal for stability?.

  • OneVoiceForReason

    (from a new and admittedly naive newbie, politically speaking) From where I sit, most Americans do understand and sincerely disdain the power of special interest groups. Most of us would like to elect those who run on their merits rather than on money. What would it take to gain elections free of these so that we are truly a land of one person, one vote? And if we were successful in reforming the election process, would that, at least, begin to cure the problem? If so, is this a reasonable place at which to begin?

  • bubba_babowski

    1. Detroit is in Michigan, not ohio.
    2. Detroit has had black mayors for many years. if what you say is true, why didn’t the black mayors change the law?

  • Louis Perry

    What does race have to do with it?

  • Louis Perry

    How do you get that past Congress?

  • fitzsimmons Photography

    This is all happening under the Obama Administration………

  • fitzsimmons Photography

    Again complete ignorance….give up your computers and IPads and I phones if you are so disgusted. You are part of the problem….

  • fitzsimmons Photography

    Who’s the President and who owned Congress and the House along with the President. He could have concentrated on jobs but he doesn’t know what he is doing. The only thing he knows is how to divide the country and he has been successful at that!!

  • fitzsimmons Photography

    Why don’t you all just start another country and another system??It’s so easy blame someone else for our own inadequacies………

  • Cheryl-ann Berlin

    Our America began with homesteading, farming and animal husbandry. A majority of the founding fathers work and conversation was on planting seasons and getting animals to mate in better ways. What, you think the colonies were shipping refined iron ore and furnished ships to England?

  • Cheryl-ann Berlin

    It’s been happening for 40 years

  • Cheryl-ann Berlin

    I have no children nor intend to, and most of the nation is nothing like downtown detroit. I lived in half-built cabins in the dead middle of Alaska with no running water and wood heat. Even there, working minimum wage, I struggled to keep a home over my head and eat food (yes I do cook and no I didn’t own a TV) I am a wage-slave class American, chronically ill and dying because of this who cannot find a job near $10/hr and despite a degree will never ever possibly earn enough to pay down my wage slavery (yes I made the mistake of student debt) or my medical debt (due to the hospital mis-billing insurance and not learning about it until it was too late to have them re-file). I cannot legally emigrate, I struggle to survive every week and for all intents and purposes I am a slave with no hope for a future or dream… I just don’t have someone whipping my back just this moment.

  • Cheryl-ann Berlin

    Didn’t Donks and the POTUS introduce like 31 different Job Bills all that were shot down from even being considered or debated in congress?

  • Cheryl-ann Berlin

    Hmm… Drug some sense of duty into the lot of them?

  • Radrex3

    And when they are gone, who’s going to pay the taxes necessary to sustain your handouts?

  • Russell Spears

    The workers can buy and run their own businesses. Capitalists are not needed as you assume…

  • Russell Spears

    No… I think I would rather encourage workers to build their own businesses and their own economy.

  • Russell Spears

    Rebuild the economy with worker owned and run businesses.. Use Bitcoin rather than the dollar and create a Free Online University for all the working poor. Then the politics will have to change to reflect that new reality.

  • Russell Spears

    Beautifully spoken……

  • Mstic ABN

    The re-descent into income inequality began in the 1980s when the dominant political beliefs shifted to free market capitalism with the likes of Milton Friedman extolling the virtues of the “free market” while condemning government as the problem. The problem is that there was then and are now no free markets so that was just a smoke screen. The policies that followed based on these arguments have led to increasing concentrations of wealth and power at the top and much less competition. That wealth has bought and paid for the government we have now that is by and for the rich. The tax code has shifted wealth in their direction which is why they fight any redistribution as socialist – the redistribution to them has already occurred, thanks to generous political contributions. And, as the piece showed, they don’t even pay the lower rates. I don’t think either big business or big government is the problem: it is the marriage of the two that is so dangerous. One small example is our total inability to fix the problems that caused the banking crisis. We should have let the system crash so we could start over.

  • Russell Spears

    I believe the decent started in the early 70′s when the average worker’s wages was unhinged from the productivity gains. We did not notice it because of cheap goods from slave labor abroad, dual family incomes and massive consumer loans domestically.

    In all there is no reset button, but the opportunity for workers to pause and consider recovering the 20% closed factories we have with the 14-20% unemployed who want to work. Here we can get capitol from crowd-funding and smart investors to fund the growing movement of worker owned and operated businesses. There is no reset, however there is the supplanting one system for a new one.

  • JSavelle
  • http://twitter.com/atlassheepdog Atlassheepdog

    Ha! Treason? Really? Calling profits as treason is hilarious. Confiscate their property? If you don’t like a Corp don’t buy from them, they can’t make you buy any thing.

  • http://twitter.com/atlassheepdog Atlassheepdog

    Ugh those would be called shareholders and that’s the system we already have if employees care to buy shares. And BTW money is capital and its necessary to have access to it from willing sources of risk takers. Sheesh ! The inanity is deep here.

  • query62

    How much does Bill Moyers make? What is his total net worth?

  • Russell Spears

    You totally miss the point of workers owning and directing their own business……

    Capitol tied to manipulable money is really called a risk: Ask anyone with a stock, bond, house or business. Real wealth is in the productivity of the worker. Here we can find a bit more than pseudo-platitudes.

  • Russell Spears

    Calling all the types of corporate activity “profit” is obscene…. A majority of corporations did not earn their money in a free market, but with economic slavery and manipulation of our laws and buying favors.

    Wake up from your stupor.

  • Albert MacKrell

    Capital?
    So since American labor unions have priced the US out of producing anything, then we have no real wealth?

  • Russell Spears

    The biggest hoax is that our American Culture has wait for an exploiter to be productive.

    The capitalists market can never price out workers who both own and self direct their own business. Wealth and potential new wealth is in the hands of the worker alone.

    Voting with our money is the second step. Right now Costco pays their employees $24/average and they get my vote every week.

  • Russell Spears

    In fact, if the workers become the new center of politics, I can bet there would be a renewed focus on the taxes going to programs we wish to support as community and many government programs that will fall out of favor (Like War, Bailouts,) and I can also bet big financial giants will not survive this new economy.

  • Albert MacKrell

    If Costco’s worker/owners were so noble, they would make sure that they sold American produced goods. But they sell whatever goods they can acquire most cheaply, meaning that the ACTUAL PRODUCTION of those goods is done by workers who will do it more cheaply than any American worker. And we complain about lost jobs/wages from one side of our mouths, and how great it is to buy cheap stuff from the other side. maybe Costco’s workers should take a pay cut and use the money to capitalize some American manufacturing. Which by the way, your post does not address at all.

  • Russell Spears

    The corporatist have soiled the whole economy with economic slavery and allowed our actual production to fall to the levels we see today. The financial industry has replaced real manufacturing such that companies like GM makes more money on it’s financial department than they do with the building of cars: meaning we play with money and make no real wealth. We have to supplant these systems as soon as we can and labor as ethical as we can. I support a livable wage (not minimum wage) here in the US, my hope is that workers in every nation will feel the same. But right now their conditions will continue to improve as corporatist continue to invest in their countries and continue to abandon the American workers. Do we have it coming: YEA, because we never should have voted with our money to support slave labor in their country. Today this is almost all we have to choose from.

    P.S. my posts are not meant to address all issues: that is called a big book.

  • Russell Spears

    Inanity is not realizing that owning shares has nothing to do with making decisions in the interests of the workers. You seem too far sold out in this current system that your struggling to see a critique from outside the fishbowl.

  • Eaman Saadatifard

    Framing the problem as a moral or ethical one misses the point. any attempt to provide a solution to economic problems framed as such are futile. locking up individuals and seizing assets doesn’t change the built in end of our current economic system, that is, the maximization of profits. that’s not to say that what goes on is morally permissable, but corporations do what the system beckons, even demands of them. the problem is a systemic one. in the words of some 90s rapper “don’t hate the playa–hate the game”.

  • Robert Fisher

    “Inequality” Matters!
    People being homeless and hungry effect your life, rather you think it does or not!

    The largest Corporations in America are ‘Tearing the Middle Class to
    Shreds’ by sending jobs overseas and taking benefits and wages away from
    the working class in America.
    Time to take our Government back
    from these corporations that are buying Washington as easily as a bunch
    of Cheep Whores! Disgusting!

  • Russell Spears

    I totally sympathize with your comment, but the fight is not for the government: They simply follow where the power and money pools.

    We need to collectively begin buying back our empty and for-sale businesses and converting them into worker Owned and Worker Directed Enterprises. Once the worker has the power Washington will remain on it’s knees where it belongs but this time it will be facing the workers.

  • Robert Fisher

    Tell me how the poor and shrinking Middle Class can BUY (have the same influence as the big corporations) the votes of our congress to make a difference, and especially convince Washington to put up the funds needed to implement your plan? (a good one)

    Our Congress is being bought to protect the Rich and that’s NOT going to change any time soon without ELECTION REFORMS that would allow average people to have a chance at getting elected to change this broken system from within.

  • Russell Spears

    The vast majority of the disenfranchised have both economic power we are the very engine that keeps the economy running. Boycotting specific Corporations; Crowd-funding for new worker owned and operated businesses that provide essential products and services; Moving to Bitcoin in a way that totally cuts away the big financial markets from our financial needs and in doing so allow the dollar to hyper-inflate. We can vote with our money if we have a real choice we can crowd-fund a new economy from which both political power and real economic wealth can be re-created apart from the many “Digital Accounts” the wealthy have. Our government just follows the money and the people that control the means of production. We can be both the workers creating new wealth and the owners that benefit from it.

  • Steve Paul

    1 of the things I suggest is to find & go to the new President’s webpage service to Petition & more at keywords White House gov Petition, then Petition informedly to better our Nation & more (& please beware to read & understand much more than Headlines & Titles, which are often the exact opposite of what it would seem they are).
    Thanks for asking & I hope it goes very well for you and for us & our US & our species :-)

  • Anonymous

    Maybe all the corporate big shots should take the pay cut; and instead of having their lapdog politicians enact “corporate rights agreements” (mislabeled “free trade agreements”), maybe they should order their politicians to enact worker rights agreements and international minimum wage laws.

  • Jim Osborne

    We seem to forget, in America, wealth begets wealth. When you can lobby the Congress, even for insane legislation, and win, you have what we have today. The new issues of spying are but an extension of an abusive state, and it is not hard to guess what the next step will be.

  • Anonymous

    Much of Dr. King’s Dream had to do with the economy. In Connecticut the level of Income Inequality is significant. Without enough income, people struggle to find enough food, shelter, and health coverage. When someone can work full-time while being paid the Minimum Wage but still be at the Federal Poverty Level, that is shameful. Even $10 per hour in some places is not a Living Wage.

  • http://profiles.google.com/barry.kort Barry Kort

    Gaming the System

    Today anyone whose business involves the Rule of Law understands the art and practice of Gaming the System.

  • Anonymous

    These companies are doing nothing illegal. Multi-nationals need to have multiple locations and yes, they do so in a way that will maximize profits; nothing wrong with that, nothing illegal. What the President & Congress could do is make the US corporate tax rate more competitive world wide so companies wouldn’t be compelled to locate elsewhere as readily. Ireland is smart to offer 22% -when the US rate is 35%. They want to attract companies to provide jobs for their people. If you had a company you too would go where costs are lowest. The USA has the highest corporate tax rate in the world at the moment. Don’t blame/kill the messenger.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t hold your breathe on that one!

  • Anonymous

    Obama’s going on his 6th year in office…I read desperation in the comments here…no doubt most people on this blog voted for him…why don’t you demand of your President and Senators to address your concerns?? DO SOMETHING to make change.

  • Edward Moriarty

    guess what? Something has been done to begin the journey. the GOP can no longer use the filibuster to stop government from functioning as the guardian and protector of ALL citizens.

  • greg gaskill

    You both make some excellent points, however for the masses to both understand And participate I believe would take a miracle. When I see important petitions garner 150,000 signatures I realize how many people are not participating – election turnouts too. Although I am not in favor of revolution, it would be a sight to see the fat, overindulgent in congress yanked right out of their cushy chairs by the scruff of their necks and thrown to the masses which they ignore.

  • greg gaskill

    Handouts eh? (read Red rhetoric) I too used to believe that if we support big business they in turn hire us and we all do better. However, many of the Fortune 100 pay little to zero taxes, (Zero is an unacceptable number), ship jobs elsewhere (weren’t those jobs for us?), and often receive generous bailouts, subsidies, tax breaks, etc. The object is not to run big business out of business, but bring them back in line with ethical behavior. The US market is not available for cheats – we need to make that clear to them. You want to sell your products here – you pay your entry fee.

  • greg gaskill

    Noble – wha? As a retailer, Costco does not fit within your depiction of labor shift. Their labor force is entirely within the US – production of goods sold does not enter the picture. They pay their workers/owners (labor) a very fair wage.

  • Russell Spears

    Revolutions have always been had by less than 5% of the population. The economy will win more open minds, of that I am certain. We are at a moment of pressure to change and we have some huge ideas going forward, after Occupy.

  • greg gaskill

    I laugh with you, in a pathetic way. The deja-vu rhetoric has been refined over many periods of history. There is a greedy dark force with an insatiable thirst for power which is easily unknown by the common person (ie consumer) who, by having morals can not fathom the depths to which the depraved will go to achieve their goals, and so unwittingly become ensnared in their traps.

  • greg gaskill

    Legality has yet to be proved – minced words pie anyone? What are we more interested in – the structure, or it’s intent? If we lose sight of the goal, then the game is over. The US market is significant, but not available for free – pay your taxes or leave the assets you have acquired here behind. We must have the courage to take this stand.

  • greg gaskill

    Oh it is so nice to have the catch-all scapegoat (read red-rhetoric) in Obama. It is so much easier than reading – history and all those facts can be so difficult, right?

  • Anonymous

    Health insurance is the most glaring example of inequality. President Obama purchased family health insurance for $400 a month on the federal exchange, about 0.005% of his net income. Middle class families too wealthy for subsidies will probably pay 15% to 25% or more of their income for health insurance. Robbing Peter to pay Paul for subsidies or requiring people to remain paupers for Medicaid is silly when we could expand Medicare to everyone. We could pay the same percentage of income and create Medicare with excellent benefits and low co-pays. Winston Churchill said Americans usually get it right after they try everything else, and it’d be wonderful to prove him wrong. We should strive for a place where we can see any family doctor we choose and be admitted to any medical facility our doctors recommend and know public insurance will pay our bills. We still have time to get it right.

  • Anonymous

    Moyers says it all when he relates the rising stock market with the firing of employees!

  • Anonymous

    Unfortunately that particular law doesn’t extend to bills so the filibuster still lives when it comes to legislation bills! They should have made the thing universal for everything destroying the filibuster once and for all.

  • Anonymous

    Still waiting on any of these people who have complaints about the pricing of the new market system under Obamacare to name 1 single person who’s paying more than they used to be who doesn’t have a terminal disease. 1 just 1. Not seen it yet just a whole buncha nonsense about “when it starts my family and i will most likely…” uh it started already if you haven’t paid more now you won’t in the future hate to tell yeah.

    Oh and part of the mess we’re in is because people thought that gold stuff showering down during bush sr and bush jr was gold, it wasn’t it’s been pee this whole time. Don’t look up.

  • Edward Moriarty

    It would be great if politics was get everything done at once. It just does not happen that way. Take any positive development as progress and begin working toward the next goal. Don’t throw away the good because we didn’t get everything we wanted. Build on what we have gained. The new appointments President Obama can now make are only a beginning, but those appointments will have a lasting effect throughout different levels of government.

  • Anonymous

    The limit is 8% of income which is less then I use to pay and was working for my health insurance company. But I am with you on still getting to the point of one payee health insurance.

  • Anonymous

    Guess you missed the part of history where the founding fathers used slaves to do their labor? Or the part where the Irish could not get jobs except on farms for low wages?Railroads and mining was Chinese slave labor. Every generation has throughout US history has had a group which is forced to work for less then livable wages. Its only the recent generations that its not based on nationality, gender, or race strictly.
    We are not a production, farming, nor educational based economy any longer. There is no college degree which can be counted on to be employable. Tech jobs are over ran with people looking for work. Only thing we have for majority workers is service jobs. A few high finance jobs if you want to sell your soul. My kids have friends who are taking their degrees overseas to get jobs, and none are talking about coming back to US. They love nations they are in. We are now not only losing retirees to other countries but our young workers.

  • P Cullen

    You obviously don’t understand the Medicaid system! If an insured owns property, the cost for their medical expenses, everything after age 55, is recooped through a lien on their properties. They probably end up paying more! As for subsidies, where is the outcry when large corporations pay little tax and shelter their monies off shore and still reap a windfall through the tax system?

  • P Cullen

    I suggest he use the bully pulpit as congress is inept and the ones who originally stated their only goal was to fail and obstruct is presidency are still doing, just that! They aren’t working for us but their corporate masters!

  • Barbara

    You are completely unaware of how the ACA works. If your policy costs more than 9.5% of your adjusted gross income you will get a subsidy. I am self employed and make a very good income. But, because of my age, the plan I chose ran over $900 a month. I am eligible for subsidies because that is more than 9.5% of my adjusted gross income. NO ONE is paying 15 – 25% of their income for health care and not getting a tax break. Learn what you are talking about before babbling garbage.

  • Lori Farrell

    exactly..

  • http://astranavigo.blogspot.com Astra Navigo

    “A petty, narcissistic, pridefully ignorant politics has come to dominate and paralyze our government.”

    This situation will continue as long as (1) the American electorate continues to consume corporate-sponsored ‘news’; (2) continues to buy into the misguided notion that there are only two ‘legitimate’ political parties, and (3) continues, as a result of #1 and #2, to vote their fears instead of their values….

  • Reiner Wilhelms

    That owner in the story was no other than The Scrooge.
    Enough said?

  • P Cullen

    Seems I did!!Congress passed an omnibus budget bill thatrequired states to recover the expense of long-term care and related costs for deceased Medicaid recipients 55 or older. The 1993 federal law also gave states theoption to recover all other Medicaid expenses.