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BILL MOYERS: Welcome to you and the New Year. An election year for every seat in the House of Representatives, one third of the Senate, 36 governors, and thousands of state legislators. Now, chances are you’re not hearing a lot about those races yet, but in this era of gridlock and dysfunction in Washington, the battle to determine America’s agenda is being fought in state politics.

So on this first weekend of the year, we’re looking at one state that embodies the conflicts roiling the whole country. On one side: a government controlled by the most right-wing conservatives of the Republican Party, who are remaking their state in their image, fueled by the wealth and power of one very rich man. On the other side: a very vocal mix of citizens whose resistance turned the first day of every week into a “Moral Monday.”

Join us for "State of Conflict: North Carolina."

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BILL MOYERS: A Monday in July. Raleigh, North Carolina. A procession moves toward the state house.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at the NC General Assembly: Forward together.

CROWD at the NC General Assembly: Not one step back.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at the NC General Assembly: When it comes to education what do we do?

CROWD at the NC General Assembly: We fight, we fight, we fight.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at the NC General Assembly: When it comes to healthcare what do we do?

CROWD at the NC General Assembly: We fight, we fight, we fight.

CHIEF WEAVER at the NC General Assembly: My name is Chief Weaver of the General Assembly Police. This is unlawful assembly. You have five minutes to disperse and leave the property.

CROWD at the NC General Assembly: We fight, we fight, we fight.

BILL MOYERS: Once inside they block doors and passageways, knowing it will get them arrested. They are part of a movement that’s become known as Moral Mondays.

WOLF BLITZER on CNN: Thousands rallying, protesting at the North Carolina State House for weeks.

NEWSCASTER on MSNBC: It’s been called Moral Mondays, it’s a protest against the state’s government.

NEWSCASTER on CNN: At the Moral Mondays protests here in Raleigh, North Carolina.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at Moral Mondays Protest: In a state like North Carolina, in the South, turn to your neighbor, say, “We in the South.”

CROWD at Moral Mondays Protest: We in the South.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at Moral Mondays Protest: Tell the media, this ain’t Wisconsin.

CROWD at Moral Mondays Protest: This ain’t Wisconsin.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at Moral Mondays Protest: This is the South.

CROWD at Moral Mondays Protest: This is the South.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at Moral Mondays Protest: Where justice was hammered out.

CROWD at Moral Mondays Protest: Where justice was hammered out.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at Moral Mondays Protest: Where freedom was hammered out.

CROWD at Moral Mondays Protest: Where freedom was hammered out.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at Moral Mondays Protest: This is the South.

NEWSCASTER 1 on WRAL: More than a dozen protesters are still in police custody, hours after taking a stand with…

BILL MOYERS: The protests began with a small gathering on a Monday in April. Then, their numbers started growing, Monday after Monday.

NEWSCASTER 2 on WRAL: Each week there are more arrests than the week before. Tonight there were 49.

BILL MOYERS: The rallies kept growing through the spring and the hot Carolina summer.

NEWSCASTER 3 on WRAL: The 13th wave of the Moral Monday protests. Crowds grew so large police had to shut down a portion of Lane Street in downtown Raleigh.

BILL MOYERS: By August, citizens were turning out in town after town across the state.

NEWSCASTER on ABC 13: Ashville Police telling us 5,000 or more gathered here in downtown Asheville.

BILL MOYERS: And the nation was taking notice.

NEWSCASTER on FOX: Moral Monday organizers say the media attention they’re generating outside the General Assembly makes up for much of the political power they lack on the inside.

BILL MOYERS: The protesters are challenging a relentless right-wing crusade to remake the laws of the state.

NEWSCASTER on CBS: In North Carolina, they are trying a new way to get people back to work. They’re cutting off unemployment benefits.

NEWSCASTER on MSNBC: North Carolina passed one of the most restrictive voter suppression bills.

NEWSCASTER 1 on ABC 11: Lawmakers in the statehouse and Senate just voted to prohibit expansion of Medicaid.

NEWSCASTER 2 on ABC 11: Executions will soon resume here in North Carolina.

NEWSCASTER on NBC-CHARLOTTE: Dropping the state income tax and adding a higher sales...

BILL MOYERS: For the first time in almost 150 years, Republicans control the governorship and both houses of the legislature, where they have a veto-proof majority. And they are using their monopoly of power to enact laws the "Charlotte Observer" says “will touch every North Carolinian’s pocketbook, every student’s classroom and every voter’s experience at the polls.”

BOB ZELLNER: The extreme right-wing, they have overstepped so far.

VICKI RYDER: They seem to be targeting those who can least afford to pay for these changes.

WOMAN 1 at Moral Mondays Protest: We’ve just kicked 71,000 of our neighbors off of the benefits that keep roofs over their heads and food on their tables.

MAN 1 at Moral Mondays Protest: What they are doing to public education is a travesty.

WOMAN 2 at Moral Mondays Protest: The legislature wants to lower the age that we can be tried as adults to thirteen.

CROWD at Moral Mondays Protest: Day or night, we stand for what is right.

WOMAN 3 at Moral Mondays Protest: We are here to save the soul of our state.

ROSANELL EATON at Moral Mondays Protest: At the age of 92, I am fed up, and—and fired up. I said fed up.

CROWD at Moral Mondays Protest: Fed up.

ROSANELL EATON at Moral Mondays Protest: Fired up.

CROWD at Moral Mondays Protest: Fired up.

ROSANELL EATON at Moral Mondays Protest: Fed up.

CROWD at Moral Mondays Protest: Fed up.

ROSANELL EATON at Moral Mondays Protest: Fired up.

CROWD at Moral Mondays Protest: Fired up.

ROSANELL EATON at Moral Mondays Protest: Thank you so very much.

ADAM HOCHBERG: North Carolina has in some ways a bipolar political culture.

BILL MOYERS: Adam Hochberg teaches journalism at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill.

ADAM HOCHBERG: A lot of people from outside North Carolina, when you say North Carolina, the first thing they think of is Jesse Helms who was of course a stalwart of the hard right and was our senator here for more than twenty years.

SEN. JESSE HELMS: Homosexuals, lesbians, disgusting people marching in our streets, demanding all sorts of things, including the right to marry each other.

ADAM HOCHBERG: On the other hand, North Carolina is the home of a lot of progressive politicians. At the same time that Jesse Helms was in the Senate in the eighties, Terry Sanford was his counterpart in the Senate who is one of best-known southern progressive liberals.

SEN. TERRY SANFORD: We need to remind ourselves that protest, even obnoxious and blood-boiling protest, is the fundamental ingredient of a free people.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at Moral Mondays Protest: Our state constitution says …

BILL MOYERS: Today the state’s progressive leader is William Barber. Before the right-wing takeover, his coalition had pushed for a string of successful reforms, including raising the minimum wage and measures increasing voter participation.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER: Because this right to vote, and the fight for it, is not just political, it’s personal.

ADAM HOCHBERG: Reverend William Barber is the head of the North Carolina NAACP. He is a, he is a man if you’re ever in the room with him, you’ll know he’s in the room.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at Moral Mondays Protest: And we have come to serve notice that we will unleash every political legal and moral strategy that we can to create the New South. But we will not go back.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER: Well, fundamentally America constantly finds itself in, where the question is a moral question. How are we going to live out our deepest moral principles of doing justice, loving your neighbor, and what does that mean in terms of our laws and our public policy?

BILL MOYERS: Barber was arrested on the first Moral Monday back in April. On the news he declared he was protesting an avalanche of extremist policies.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER on WRAL: That threaten health care, that threaten education, that threaten the poor.

SUE STURGIS: One of the things that particularly upset people is we saw cuts to long-term unemployment assistance.

BILL MOYERS: Journalist Sue Sturgis covers North Carolina politics for the progressive Institute for Southern Studies, in Durham.

SUE STURGIS: It wasn’t a lot of money in the first place, but it was a safety net. And so one of the things we’ve seen as part of the agenda that’s now being played out in Raleigh is constant snips and cuts and tears to that social safety net. It’s no longer a priority for the people who control the state.

NEWSCASTER on ABC 11: 31 yeses and 17 nos, the vote tonight on Senate Bill 4 to block the expansion of Medicaid.

BILL MOYERS: The Republican refusal to expand Medicaid meant denying health insurance to half a million people.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER: How can you stand up and say I just cut 500,000 people’s access to Medicaid and it’s the moral thing to do?

DR. CHARLES VAN DER HORST: They decided that they’re not going to expand Medicaid. And this was going to do great damage to my patients. And so I take that very personally that I’m not a person who just takes care of hearts and livers, but I need to take care of their, the whole body and the whole person.

BILL MOYERS: Dr. Charles van der Horst is an infectious disease specialist at the University of North Carolina.

DR. CHARLES VAN DER HORST: What had happened is that April 29th, Reverend William Barber, had had a rally against these policies. So I thought, I should check this out. So on Monday, May 6, I went along and ended up doing civil disobedience and getting arrested.

WOMAN IN CROWD at Moral Mondays Protest: Thank you Dr. van der Horst.

DR. CHARLES VAN DER HORST: And I deliberately made some decisions in subsequent rallies that I, I stand next to him. I wanted there to be an old white guy in a white coat with a stethoscope standing next to him.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at Moral Mondays Protest: We’re going to walk together.

CROWD at Moral Mondays Protest: Walk together.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at Moral Mondays Protest: And go forward.

CROWD at Moral Mondays Protest: And go forward.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at Moral Mondays Protest: Until.

CROWD at Moral Mondays Protest: Until.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at Moral Mondays Protest: Until.

CROWD at Moral Mondays Protest: Until.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at Moral Mondays Protest: Love is lifted.

CROWD at Moral Mondays Protest: Love is lifted.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at Moral Mondays Protest: Until.

CROWD at Moral Mondays Protest: Until.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at Moral Mondays Protest: Justice is realized.

CROWD at Moral Mondays Protest: Justice is realized.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at Moral Mondays Protest: Don’t ask us…

ARI BERMAN: He’s trying to build a multi-issue, multi-racial coalition in North Carolina.

BILL MOYERS: Ari Berman has been covering the Moral Mondays movement.

ARI BERMAN: There’s this feeling that social justice is under attack and that people have to get in the streets to make people care, to dramatize what’s happening in the state.

CROWD at Moral Mondays Protest: Same struggle, same fight.

CHANT LEADERS at Moral Mondays Protest: Gay, straight, black or white.

CROWD at Moral Mondays Protest: Same struggle, same fight.

BILL MOYERS The conservative ideology the Moral Monday protesters are fighting isn’t new. What’s new is that just about everything on the right-wing wish list for the past four decades is at last becoming reality. Just as Art Pope planned.

BILL MAHER on Real Time with Bill Maher: What happened in North Carolina? Well, his name is Art Pope. That’s what happened.

ART POPE: I’m Art Pope and I’m a job creator.

CROWD protesting Art Pope Hey hey, ho ho, Art Pope has got to go!

BILL MOYERS: In public, the man most often fingered as the mastermind of the right-wing take-over presents himself as just a low-key member of the governor’s cabinet, running the numbers like an earnest accountant:

ART POPE on WRAL: This budget anticipates revenue neutral tax reform.

BILL MOYERS: He’s self-effacing.

NEWSCASTER on ABC 11: Are you the rainmaker of the North Carolina Republican Party?

ART POPE on ABC 11: No the voters are the rainmaker of the North Carolina Republican Party.

BILL MOYERS But Art Pope wields so much power here that he’s been called everything from kingmaker to king. Pope is very, very rich. And he has shelled out so many millions of dollars for conservative causes and Republican candidates that his adversaries accuse him of buying the state government. Pope claims that’s not what the money’s for.

ART POPE on WRAL: Of course I think it has an impact. But the impact is educating the voters on the issues so they hear both sides of the issues not just one side.

JANE MAYER: There are wealthy individuals who have outsized influence in many states. Usually there’s a handful of them.

BILL MOYERS: Jane Mayer, of "The New Yorker," was the first national journalist to investigate Pope’s power.

JANE MAYER: But he really dominates the landscape in North Carolina in a way that nobody else does.

BILL MOYERS: That’s because he practices the golden rule of modern politics: he with the gold, rules. And Art Pope has the money: his own, his company’s money, and money from the John William Pope Foundation, named for his wealthy businessman father. That single foundation has spent some 46 million dollars on a network of advocacy groups and think tanks bent on steering North Carolina far to the right. Sound familiar?

SUE STURGIS: When people talk about Art Pope, someone who’s often invoked are the Koch brothers, David and Charles Koch, who also run a privately held company and spend a great deal to promote their particular brand of libertarian politics. And he’s very close to the Kochs. He served as a board member of Americans for Prosperity, which is a conservative policy advocacy group that was founded and is funded by the Koch brothers.

JANE MAYER: In some ways, Art Pope is sort of a, a junior-sized version of the Koch brothers. He has what some people call kind of a factory production line for his ideology. The people that work for his think tanks are on the radio, they have websites, they have publications that are statewide. They get their message out all the time.

BILLL MOYERS: Like this message, aimed right at the Moral Mondays protesters.

FRANCIS DE LUCA in Money Monday, Not Moral Monday: Backed by a supportive liberal media, hundreds have been arrested for disrupting the state legislature.

BILL MOYERS: It accuses protest leaders of marching to protect access to government handouts.

FRANCIS DE LUCA in Money Monday, Not Moral Monday: These organizations are fighting to keep their spot at the public trough. Welcome to Money Mondays.

BILL MOYERS: Francis De Luca once ran the North Carolina chapter of the Koch brothers’ Americans for Prosperity. He’s now head of the John William Pope Civitas Institute.

FRANCIS DE LUCA: So Civitas Institute is heavily funded by the Pope Foundation, but I can tell you having now worked at Civitas for seven years and run it for almost six years, Art Pope’s control over Civitas is very little. He likes policy. I always try to describe Art as a policy wonk. He believes in a vigorous debate, even among his different groups. If you check, you will notice that our groups do not always agree. The groups he’s fund do not always agree on policy.

BILL MOYERS: Perhaps not always, but certainly often enough. For example, on cutting tax rates for corporations and the rich, which is exactly what the state recently did. By 2015, the highest earning North Carolinians will pay almost 26 percent less in income taxes than they did in 2013. Corporations will pay over 27 percent less. There’s also been a repeal of the estate tax, which applied only to people so wealthy, that just 23 families had paid it in the year 2011. When corporate and wealthy interests are at stake, Art Pope is right at home.

Where did Art Pope get the money – and the ideas – that have reshaped the politics of North Carolina?

The story begins when he was young man.

JANE MAYER: He was a very intellectual kid and very early on he went to a summer program that was run by the Cato Institute, the libertarian think tank and he was quite swept up with libertarian ideology and the ideas of Ayn Rand. Once he was through college and he went to Duke Law School he eventually became the general counsel in the family firm, and then he rose in the firm.

BILL MOYERS: All the way to the top, becoming CEO of that family firm.

SUE STURGIS: It’s a privately held company called Variety Wholesalers. It was started by his forebears. It’s a discount retail chain.

ADAM HOCHBERG: These are usually lower end discount stores than, than a Target or even a Walmart or a K-Mart store. They go by a variety of different names. One of the largest chains he owns is called Rose’s. There’s one called Maxway. He has great personal wealth and great family wealth.

JANE MAYER: And he had great political ambitions.

SUE STURGIS: Pope served in the legislature for several terms back in the 1980s and into the ‘90s.

ADAM HOCHBERG: Art is a, he’s a very bright man and he knows the state budget and he knows numbers inside and out, but he is not what you call the stereotypic political candidate. You know the smiling telegenic politician. And after a couple years he ran for lieutenant governor and lost, badly. And he realized he was not going to influence North Carolina politics by being lieutenant governor or governor. He was just unlikely to get elected.

BILL MOYERS: Turns out he didn’t need to get elected to win elections. He just had to put his money in where it counted. He first set out to purge moderate Republicans from the state assembly by supporting candidates to their right in GOP primaries. And then, in 20l0 he took on the Democrats, who played right into his hands.

SUE STURGIS: The Democrats were in disarray in 2010. There had been a series of scandals in the party. Corruption scandals.

BILL MOYERS: A Democratic governor had pled guilty to a felony campaign finance charge. And that wasn’t all.

ADAM HOCHBERG: We had a Democratic Speaker of the House go to prison on a bribery scheme. I mean there was a lot of, a lot of sleaze in the Democratic Party. We saw a backlash against President Obama and Obamacare, which is the same thing we saw nationally. We saw frustration over a lousy economy, which was the same thing we saw nationally.

SUE STURGIS: Also that election was right after the Citizens United Supreme Court decision that opened up the door to outside money.

BILL MOYERS: That Citizens United decision, the handiwork of the conservative majority on the Supreme Court, enabled corporations and individuals to spend unlimited amounts of often untraceable money—what’s now called “dark money.”

JANE MAYER: He provided a perfect example of how the landscape had changed after the Citizens United Supreme Court ruling.

ART POPE on C-SPAN: Well, break those numbers up.

JANE MAYER: He saw the opportunities and he had the cash because of his family fortune. Art Pope is a very smart man who is, almost thinks about the world almost like an engineer. And it’s as if somebody had looked at the map in every single district and figured out what it would take to get Republican control. And so he along with some of the people he was working with targeted legislative races to pour money into.

BILL MOYERS: One of their vessels was a front group called Real Jobs NC. Co-founded by Art Pope, and bankrolled by one of his companies and a national Republican group, its real job was to demolish the other side. And in 20l0 it went on the attack.

ANNOUNCER in Real Jobs NC Campaign AD 1: Putting Raleigh Liberals first.

ANNOUNCER in Real Jobs NC Campaign AD 2: Their high taxes and wasteful spending cost us jobs.

ANNOUNCER in Real Jobs NC Campaign AD 3: Her priorities are costing us jobs.

ANNOUNCER in Real Jobs NC Campaign AD 4: Real Jobs NC sponsored this ad.

SUE STURGIS: That year he and his family and also the outside spending groups that he’s associated with spent 2.2 million on state legislative races.

JANE MAYER: Which in the national scheme of things is not a tremendous amount of money, but in the context of a state, and in the context of state legislative races where really there’s not usually that much money spent, it—it was decisive.

NEWSCASTER on WRAL: Tonight’s shift in power is historic. The Republicans have taken control of both chambers for the first…

NEWSCASTER 1 on ABC 11: Republicans are now in control for the first time in more than a century.

NEWSCASTER 2 on ABC 11: So how big of a role does Pope himself think he played?

ART POPE on ABC 11: I supported 19 Republican legislative candidates that I contributed to and 17 of those won.

NEWSCASTER 2 on ABC 11: That’s a pretty good track record.

ART POPE on ABC 11: I’m glad.

ADAM HOCHBERG: The 2010 election, Republicans got control of both houses of the state legislature, first time since just after the Civil War.

SUE STURGIS: And the Republicans were very smart. You know they, they realized that there was an opportunity there. Whoever controlled the legislature in 2010 would control the state’s political future.

BILL MOYERS: The winners would control the future because 2010 was a census year – the first in a decade.

ADAM HOCHBERG: That means they get to control the redistricting process. So as you can imagine, that’s an opportunity for legislators to do some pretty self-serving things, and it was the same thing when Democrats were in charge. With computers nowadays you can get very specific about every house that’s included in the district, and you can know, what’s a Republican neighborhood, what’s a Democratic neighborhood, so you can look up at an individual house and say, okay, the man of the house is a Republican, and the lady of the house is a Democrat, and I see they have one adult son living at home and he’s also a Republican, I mean you can do it to that level. And you can draw districts in such a way that pretty much foretells which party is going to control that district. And what the Republicans did was draw districts as best they could to elect Republicans.

BILL MOYERS: They had help, according to the investigative group ProPublica. Help in the form of dark money from outside sources and Republican operatives down from Washington to help figure out the boundaries most favorable to their party. But there was someone else in the room, too. Art Pope. One person present told "ProPublica:" "we worked together at the workstation … he sat next to me." When the next election came around, 2012, the gerrymandering worked like a charm.

ADAM HOCHBERG: The 2012 election occurs and it is the best election for Republicans in modern history in North Carolina. They take not just control of both houses of the state legislature, and they had not done that in a century, but they take overwhelming control. They take a veto-proof majority control of both houses of the legislature. They also get the governor’s mansion back for the first time in 20 years.

GOV. PAT MCCRORY in Campaign Ad: Let’s forget about politics for a while, and think about us. That’s what we tried in Charlotte when I was mayor.

BILL MOYERS: As mayor of Charlotte, Pat McCrory was known to be a fiscal conservative, but on other issues, fairly moderate for a southern Republican.

GOV. PAT MCCRORY in Campaign Ad: I’m Pat McCrory and I’m running for governor.

ADAM HOCHBERG: Governor McCrory in one of the debates before the 2012 election was specifically asked by somebody on the panel in a televised debate, would you sign any measures to further restrict abortion in North Carolina, and he said flat out no.

DEBATE QUESTIONER LAURA LESLIE If you’re elected Governor, what further restrictions on abortion would you agree to sign? We’ll start with you, Mr. McCrory.

GOV. PAT MCCRORY in 2012 gubernatorial debate: None.

DEBATE QUESTIONER LAURA LESLIE: All right.

BILL MOYERS: But once in office McCrory swung hard to the right, beginning with the casual announcement of a key appointment.

GOV. PAT MCCRORY on WRAL: Art Pope has agreed to serve as my deputy budget director.

BILL MOYERS: Say what?

GOV. PAT MCCRORY on WRAL: Art Pope has agreed to serve as my deputy budget director.

BILL MOYERS: An innocuous title, masking a startling reality. The man who for years had poured money into those right wing think tanks into the Republican Party, and into Republican campaigns – including Pat McCrory’s -- would now be the governor’s man overseeing the state budget.

VICKI RYDER: His power is, is tremendous and very frightening to me that people can buy their way into that kind of power in what’s supposed to be a people’s democracy.

THE RAGING GRANNIES at Moral Mondays Protest: We’re the Raging Grannies…

BILL MOYERS: Vicki Ryder sings at Moral Monday protests with a group called “The Raging Grannies.”

THE RAGING GRANNIES at Moral Mondays Protest: To think that men in suits might take our voting rights away.

BILL MOYERS: Several years ago she moved from New York to North Carolina.

VICKI RYDER: After my husband and I retired, we were looking for a place to live that would be supportive of our values. And the Triangle region of North Carolina seemed to be a good fit for us. So we have just been shocked by how quickly things have turned from a very progressive atmosphere to one of extraordinary regression.

BILL MOYERS: Conservatives were getting the results they had been praying for. Some examples. Seventy five percent of the tax cuts went to the top 5 percent of taxpayers. Anyone making more than, say, $250,000 a year would now pay a state income tax rate at the same level as those making $25,000. Earned income tax credits for the poor were cut. Budgets were cut for at-risk kids in pre-K even as vouchers were given to private schools. Unemployment insurance was cut – with a bill crafted by the North Carolina Chamber of Commerce. And in Art Pope’s budget, the state’s higher education system took a hit of 64 million.

ADAM HOCHBERG: You’ve traditionally had a lot of support for education in North Carolina, especially for a southern state. And I think it’s something that a lot of North Carolinians take, take pride in, not just, you know, pointy-headed liberal intellectuals, but a lot of people in the business community too. And I don’t think you’ll find even among Republican business leaders this attitude of marginalizing higher education that you have seen from the state capital. One of the first things that Governor McCrory did, one of the first controversies he got involved with as governor is he went on a conservative radio show, a national show, and took some swipes at the university and said, there are too many degrees in liberal arts, and he said, if you want to get a degree in gender studies, go to private school and do it, the people of North Carolina don’t want to pay for that.

GOV. PAT MCCRORY on Bill Bennett’s Morning in America: That's a subsidized course, and frankly if you want to take gender studies that's fine, go to a private school and take it, but I don't want to subsidize that if that's not going to get someone a job.

MOLLY MCDONOUGH: And he said that if you wanted to study these things that you should go to a private college rather than a, rather than a public one, which is not an option for so many of us.

BILL MOYERS: Molly McDonough grew up in Chapel Hill. She’s a sophomore at North Carolina State University.

GOV. PAT MCCRORY on Bill Bennett’s Morning in America: I'm looking at legislation right now in fact, I just instructed my staff yesterday, go ahead and develop legislation which would change the basic formula in how education money is given out to our universities and our community colleges.

BILL BENNETT on Bill Bennett’s Morning in America: Great, great.

GOV. PAT MCCRORY on Bill Bennett’s Morning in America It's not based upon how many butts in seats, but how many of those butts can get jobs.

BILL BENNETT on Bill Bennett’s Morning in America: Excellent. How many employable butts. Okay.

MOLLY MCDONOUGH: I can’t remember the exact quote, but he said, it was something weird. It was about like all the butts in seats need a job.

MOLLY MCDONOUGH at Moral Mondays My name is Molly McDonough. And I am 18 years old. So when I told my friends and my family that I was planning to get arrested, they were all very concerned about my future. And my response to that was I am doing this so that I can have a future.

BILL MOYERS: The budget did more than strip cash from education. Among other things, it got rid of jobs for environmental regulators, cut funds for drug addiction treatment, even funds that help people with AIDS buy drugs – the costly ones that would keep them alive. Sean Gorman is a hemophiliac, who got HIV from a blood transfusion. He’s been treated by Dr. Charles van der Horst since 1985.

DR. CHARLES VAN DER HORST: Again. And he was desperately ill very early with all sorts of horrible, horrible infections, including you had CMV retinitis.

SEAN GORMAN: Yeah, that’s how I lost this eye. I don't have vision in this eye.

BILL MOYERS: Gorman gets his medicine through a program called “AIDS Drug Assistance Program” – “ADAP.”

DR. CHARLES VAN DER HORST: Deep breath.

BILL MOYERS: The Art Pope budget cuts 8 million dollars from ADAP. And advocates say that’s enough to prevent some 900 future AIDS patients from getting the life-saving drugs they need through the program.

SEAN GORMAN: You know, people won’t be able to buy their, you know, to afford to get their medications, then they’ll do without, and then they’ll get some crazy opportunistic disease, go into the hospital and have huge hospital bills which they won’t be able to pay for.

DR. CHARLES VAN DER HORST: Right. The average hospital admission would be something like $100,000 for an opportunistic infection.

Who’s going to pay for that? Well you and I will pay for that. That comes out our health insurance costs. So not only is it not being a good, moral person to take care of them, it economically makes no sense.

SEAN GORMAN: Alright, we’ll see you in six months.

DR. CHARLES VAN DER HORST: Yeah, take care.

SEAN GORMAN: All right, thank you.

DR. CHARLES VAN DER HORST: Good luck. Bye bye.

SEAN GORMAN: Yep, thank you. Bye bye.

BILL MOYERS: There have been other dramatic changes. For one, the election of state judges.

REP. PRICEY HARRISON: I believe we were the first state in the country to enact public financing for our appellate court races, the Court of Appeals and the Supreme Court. And the rationale was we didn’t want judges running who were going to be getting money from the lawyers who were going to be appearing before them to finance their campaigns.

SUE STURGIS: And it worked very well and it’s been very popular. Democrats and Republicans, men and women, black and white, across the board it was a very popular program.

BILL MOYERS: But popular or not, the Art Pope network wanted it gone. And the Republicans killed that clean elections system for judges.

DEBATE QUESTIONER LAURA LESLIE: What further restrictions on abortion would you agree to sign?

BILL MOYERS: Then there’s abortion rights.

DEBATE QUESTIONER LAURA LESLIE: We’ll start with you Mr. McCrory.

GOV. PAT MCCRORY: None.

BILL MOYERS: Remember that campaign promise candidate McCrory made in 2012? Well in 2013, Governor McCrory was singing a different tune.

NEWSCASTER on NBC-CHARLOTTE: He says he’ll sign a controversial abortion bill into law. Protesters tell NBC-Charlotte reporter Rad Berky that is a broken promise.

REP. PRICEY HARRISON: Basically the impact will be that 15 of the 16 clinics left in the state that provide abortions will have to shut down under the new standards.

CROWD at Moral Mondays Protest: Hey hey, ho ho, Pat McCrory has got to go! Hey hey, ho ho, Pat McCrory has got to go!

BILL MOYERS: Moral Monday protesters say they barely recognize their state under the current regime. What has outraged them most is the state’s new voting law, which cuts right to the heart of democracy.

CHANT LEADERS at Moral Mondays Protest: When voting rights are under attack, what do we do?

CROWD at Moral Mondays Protest: Stand up, fight back!

CHANT LEADERS at Moral Mondays Protest: When voting rights are under attack, what do we do?

CROWD at Moral Mondays Protest: Stand up, fight back!

BILL MOYERS: To understand their outrage, you need to know a little history.

ARI BERMAN: For a long time, North Carolina didn’t really have a very strong voter turnout.

BILL MOYERS: Journalist Ari Berman is writing a book about voting rights.

ARI BERMAN: And then they did a number of things after the 2000 election to make it easier for people to vote, they, for example, expanded early voting, they allowed same day voter registration during that early voting period, and those kind of things started to propel North Carolina forward in terms of voter turnout.

BILL MOYERS: Those voting reforms were on display during the presidential election of 2008, when North Carolina swung toward the Democrats for the first time in decades – not least because early voting brought more people to the polls.

RACHEL MADDOW on MSNBC: On election day itself there were actually more votes cast for John McCain than there were for Barack Obama, but Obama still won the state because […] more than half of all North Carolina voters in 2008 voted early, and early voters ultimately put Obama over the top.

ARI BERMAN: And so I think Republicans said we need to down some of these voters. We need to make it so that the electorate is older, whiter, more conservative, not younger and more diverse.

BILL MOYERS: And how better to do that, than to push for strict voter ID requirements? And in 2008, that’s exactly what the Pope network began to do.

SUE STURGIS: There just has not been any kind of widespread voter fraud, but they repeatedly raise it as a concern in order to build a case for voter ID laws.

ARI BERMAN: Then you had candidates who are funded by Pope who said the same thing, so that there was some perception among elected officials that voter fraud was a problem even though it wasn’t.

REP. TOM MURRY In order to restore confidence and accountability to our elections, we need voter ID.

ARI BERMAN: And pass this anti-voting legislation, essentially based on the manufactured outrage that Pope had ginned up.

BILL MOYERS: In 2013 the right-wing legislature passed a new law that critics called a voter suppression act – in part because its requirement for ID cards is most likely to affect the young, elderly, poor and minority voters. And there’s more.

ARI BERMAN: They cut a week off of early voting, they eliminated same day registration during that early voting period, they expanded the number of poll watchers that can challenge eligible voters on election day. At the same time they were eliminating pre-registration for 16 and 17 year-olds.

FRANCIS DE LUCA: One of the changes in the bill was this thing they called preregistration, where they registered 16 and 17 year-olds using the schools to register them. You know, I like to call this the “pedophilia enabling act.” Where in the world can I go on a government website and find a list of 16 year-olds and their home addresses? I can go to the state board of elections. If you walked into a school and asked for that list, not only would you not get it, you would probably be arrested. And they would send police to your home and say why do you want a list of all our 16 year-olds in the school?

ARI BERMAN: There is really no evidence that pre-registering 16 and 17 year-olds endangers their security, there’s no evidence that it leads to voter fraud. And so to get rid of something like that I think sends a very bad message to the young people in North Carolina.

REP. PRICEY HARRISON: And I think that it’s unfortunate because it’s, it seems to be part and parcel of pattern to make it much more difficult for a particular demographic to vote. And I guess I would say the bill is designed to make it more difficult for Democrats to vote basically.

BILL MOYERS: If you don’t want to take that from a Democratic legislator like Pricey Harrison, take it from a Republican county executive, Don Yelton, who admitted as much in his now infamous appearance on the Daily Show.

DON YELTON on The Daily Show: The law is going to kick the Democrats in the butt. If it hurts a bunch of college kids that’s too lazy to get up off their bohunkus and go get a photo ID, so be it.

AASIF MANDVI on The Daily Show: Right, right.

DON YELTON on The Daily Show: If it hurts the whites so be it. If it hurts a bunch of lazy blacks that wants the government to give them everything, so be it.

BILL MOYERS: Almost immediately, Yelton was forced to resign his position in the Republican Party.

ROSANELL EATON: Good evening everybody.

CROWD at Moral Mondays Protest: Good evening.

ROSANELL EATON at Moral Mondays Protest: I am Rosanell Eaton, 92 years old. A citizen of Franklin County. I am before you today to speak on voting rights. We need more, not less, public access to the ballot.

BILL MOYERS: Her name is Rosanell Eaton, and she has a very long memory, including crosses burning on her lawn and Jim Crow laws forcing segregation on black Americans far into the 20th century.

ARMENTA EATON: My mother, Rosanell, always believed that everybody should have the right to vote. She’s registered approximately, probably over 4,000 people. She got an award for that. She was awarded what is called the Invisible Giant Award. She would always have her little forms with her, she even has them now when she doesn’t really necessarily have to, but she wants to make sure that everybody—if she’s to see a person, she might ask them if they’re registered to vote.

BILL MOYERS: When she first registered to vote as a young woman, she faced a group of white men who put her to a test reserved for African Americans: she was told if she wanted to vote, she’d have to recite the preamble to the US Constitution.

ROSANELL EATON at Moral Mondays Protest: One of the men told me, stand up straight against that wall with your eyes looking directly toward me, and repeat the Preamble of the United States of America. Without missing a word, I did it.

ARMENTA EATON: All right, ready to roll.

And it really bothers her that voter suppression coming right back in the year 2013. She just never thought she’d have to be fighting this battle just on another type of turf.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at the N.C. General Assembly: Bring it down, bring it down. Everybody listen up.

ROSANELL EATON at the N.C. General Assembly: So let me tell you people.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at the N.C. General Assembly: So let me tell you.

ROSANELL EATON at the N.C. General Assembly: There’s nobody in here I know that’s any older than I am.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at the NC General Assembly: There’s nobody in here any older than I am.

ROSANELL EATON at the NC General Assembly: But you need to get involved.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at the NC General Assembly: Get involved.

ROSANELL EATON at the NC General Assembly: When something comes up, you be involved.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at the NC General Assembly: When something comes up, you be involved.

ROSANELL EATON at the NC General Assembly: You won’t have to learn—

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at the NC General Assembly: You—

ROSANELL EATON at the NC General Assembly: You won’t have to learn new strategy.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at the NC General Assembly: You don’t have to learn new strategy.

ROSANELL EATON at the NC General Assembly: Be ready for them.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at the NC General Assembly: Just be ready for them.

ROSANELL EATON at the NC General Assembly: So you all just keep on.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at the NC General Assembly: Keep on.

POLICE OFFICER at the NC General Assembly: …General Assembly Police. You have two minutes to disperse or you will be arrested. Two minutes.

BILL MOYERS: On June 24th, 2013, Rosanell Eaton was arrested at the state legislature and charged with trespassing. Vicki Ryder was arrested in July.

VICKI RYDER: I think one of the things frankly that bothers me the most about what’s happening is that we fought that fight. You know, I was there in Washington, DC 50 years ago when Martin Luther King delivered his “I Have a Dream” speech. And we thought that we were making some progress.

BILL MOYERS: It’s a common theme among the protesters that today’s battles hark back to earlier ones, in the Civil Rights movement.

ARI BERMAN: Remember, North Carolina was where the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, SNCC, started. Those sit-ins in Greensboro inspired the modern civil rights movement of the 1960s. And so there’s a long history in North Carolina of civil rights activism and some of those very activists, people like Bob Zellner of SNCC, have been extremely active in the Moral Monday movement today.

CROWD at Moral Mondays Protest: Hey hey, ho ho, Pat McCrory has got to go.

BOB ZELLNER: Well I grew up in L.A., in Lower Alabama. I was the first white southern field secretary for SNCC, the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, and I was one of the first seventeen that were arrested in Moral Monday.

CROWD at Moral Mondays Protest: We fight, we fight, we fight.

BOB ZELLNER: Our purpose in life is to work for those who are powerless. And what’s happening now in the Moral Monday movement is on the same moral plane as what happened in the civil rights movement.

FRANCIS DE LUCA: I got to say I think this is laughable. We’re talking about the people in the civil rights era, we’re talking about people being beaten, we’re talking about people, when they were put in jail, they didn’t get out of jail in time to go eat dinner that night. I am not questioning the individuals, why they’re doing it in their motivation, I am questioning the ones who try and equate it with the ‘60s and ‘50s and some of the great struggles in history.

BILL MOYERS: Protesters, however say the Pope-funded Civitas Institute itself has reached back to the past and dredged up an ugly tactic used against civil rights activists.

DR. CHARLES VAN DER HORST: So what they did, they put all our names, our occupations, our age, our race, party affiliation, and our employer, and our salary if we were public employees.

FRANCIS DE LUCA: And we put all that up there, and we put up their party registration, which we just cross-checked, public record, to help identify what they were.

SUE STURGIS: It really hearkened back, and this is what really upset people a lot, it really hearkened back to a strategy that we saw during the mid-20th century civil rights movement where people protesting Jim Crow, who were signing petitions against segregation would have their names pulled off those petitions and put in the newspaper. And it was a way to encourage retaliation against them. Not necessarily violent retaliation, but you know the employer might see your name there and maybe didn’t want to hire a troublemaker.

FRANCIS DE LUCA: You know I just don’t understand that thing that on one hand, you’re publicizing how you got arrested but on the other hand if we say it, it’s intimidation.

BILL MOYERS: There’s also an interactive feature on the Civitas site.

MOLLY MCDONOUGH: Like there’s this game called “pick the protestor” where it has like three mug shots and it’s like, which person is retired? Which person lives in Chapel Hill? Which person has the last name of McDonough? And you click on the mug shot of the person you think it is.

BILL MOYERS: Francis De Luca says the game is a “fun” way to get people to interact with the site, and to prove that the protesters don’t really represent North Carolina – that they are disproportionately white Democrats, with more clergy and public sector workers than the state as a whole. The protesters say they indeed represent their state’s diversity. And that parts of the database are skewed.

MOLLY MCDONOUGH: I looked myself up and they have some inaccurate information there. They, they have one section of the spreadsheets that are voting discrepancies, and so they say that I’m a registered Democrat which I am and then they say that I am registered to vote at the wrong address. Now what they either didn’t take into account or didn’t, you know, care to think through is that I’m a student. In November I live in Raleigh on NC State campus, and my permanent address is in Chapel Hill. And so when I got arrested I put down the address that they will always be able to contact me through which is my mother’s address. And that’s not where I registered to vote.

FRANCIS DE LUCA: You vote where you live. If I tell you, if I registered to vote, I can tell you, if I get arrested, it’s going to be the same place. My home address is the same place I vote. I mean that’s how it’s supposed to be that your domicile is where you vote so if I’m telling you I get, when I get arrested I actually live somewhere else, but my registration is over here, then one of those two things is a lie.

DR. CHARLES VAN DER HORST: I think their intention was to intimidate others from committing acts of civil disobedience. And instead it’s had the reverse effect.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at Moral Mondays Gathering: Mr. Pope, it’s a waste of your money. See they want us to come here today and be all upset about this site. They want to sucker us into a back and forth about people on a website so they can take the focus off the policies being passed and signed by them in the General Assembly and in the Governor’s office. But it will not work.

BILL MOYERS: But so far, what North Carolina’s far right government is doing is working.

MAN at NC General Assembly: Clerk will allow the machine to record the vote. 84 have voted in the affirmative, 32 in the negative. The motion passes.

BILL MOYERS: Protesters are powerless to stop the passage of a single law.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at Moral Mondays Protest: Not going back.

BILL MOYERS: It’s true they aren’t giving up.

REV. WILLIAM BARBER at Moral Mondays Protest: And so turn to your neighbor and say, let us not despair.

MOLLY MCDONOUGH AND HER SISTER at Moral Mondays Protest: Let us not despair.

BILL MOYERS: But neither are Art Pope, the governor, and the veto-proof legislature.

JANE MAYER: Well, I think what’s important is that what Art Pope has done in North Carolina could be done pretty much in any state. He’s shown that one really wealthy individual can almost rule.

BILL MOYERS: And so we enter 2014 with one more reminder that America is a country where the wealthy almost rule. Money talks. Although when we offered Mr. Pope and Governor McCrory an opportunity to be interviewed for our report, they didn’t respond.

Luckily, some people are much more vocal -- fighting back, saying enough is enough. And I don’t just mean the Moral Mondays protestors. The U.S. Justice Department is challenging North Carolina’s restrictive new voting law, arguing that it will have a disproportionate impact on minorities. And those new gerrymandered districts, engineered with Art Pope sitting in the room to ensure Republican dominance, are also being challenged in North Carolina’s own Supreme Court. The charge is that they’re race-based, and therefore unconstitutional. Yet even there, in the state’s highest court, money may affect the outcome. Take a look.

A Republican political action committee in Washington sends over a million dollars to a political action committee in North Carolina called Justice For All NC. That group then sends over a million dollars to a Super PAC called North Carolina Judicial Coalition, which spends over a million dollars supporting Justice Newby’s re-election.

Now that Republican political action committee in Washington where the money started is the same one North Carolinian Republicans worked with to gerrymander the state. That plan is being challenged by citizen groups as race-based and unconstitutional. So where do these citizens turn to seek justice? To the very state Supreme Court, one of whose members was re-elected with money from the partisans who drew up the redistricting in the first place. Justice can't be more corrupted than that. But when money rules, nothing is sacred, or cheap.

Which could explain why Art Pope, as we reported earlier, has waged a long crusade to kill the state’s popular system of public funding for judicial races – a system created to prevent rich people like pope and corporations from buying justice.

Last summer, Pope succeeded, opening North Carolina's highest court to the highest bidders.

Katie bar the door – except that no matter which door we’re talking about, Art Pope has the key to it. And possibly to the future.

Take the firepower of the rich, pour in heaps of dark money loosed by the Supreme Court’s Citizens United ruling, add generous doses of fervent ideology, and presto: the battle for American politics and governance is joined. And every state becomes North Carolina, including yours.

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BILL MOYERS: There’s a reason to keep fighting against the powers that be. Because no matter the setbacks or the years it may take, you can win. Remember when we introduced you to Gerald Markowitz and David Rosner? They’re public health historians who never quit even the giants of industry try to silence them. Their book "Deceit and Denial," for example, told how chemical companies concealed the truth about toxins in our food, water, and air. The companies responded with a vicious attack to discredit them, and failed. They were targets again when their most recent book, "Lead Wars: The Politics of Science and the Fate of America’s Children," warned that kids can still be harmed by lead.

GERALD MARKOWITZ on Moyers & Company: Scientists now say that it is very likely there is no safe level of lead, that any amount of lead in a child’s body, in a child’s blood, you know, causes a variety of neurological and intellectual problems.

DAVID ROSNER on Moyers & Company: The message really should be is we need to really think of lead as one symbol, one symptom of this much larger problem of the pollution of our children, pollution of their lives, the pollution of all of us from a whole host of toxic materials that we are, we've grown accustomed to using.

BILL MOYERS: Markowitz and Rosner are often called as expert witnesses for the prosecution, including one lawsuit in Rhode Island that went to trial in 2005. Decaying paint left a deadly toxic mess in Rhode Island homes. The state Attorney General demanded that the paint companies be held responsible for cleaning it up.

DAVID ROSNER on Moyers & Company: Our documents showed that they had known about what they were creating, they'd known that children would be poisoned, they were discussing children dying as early as the 1920s and '30s, and yet they had created this huge environmental mess of millions and millions of pounds on the walls of Rhode Island, all of which was waiting to poison future generations. And that they had done nothing about it, they continued to market. And that’s really, I think, enraged the jury.

GERALD MARKOWITZ on Moyers & Company: And we were thrilled, just thrilled when at the end of this trial the jury came back and for the first time in lead industry lawsuits they held three lead companies responsible for cleaning up the mess, in the form of lead paint on the walls of houses throughout Rhode Island.

BILL MOYERS: But two years later that groundbreaking decision was overturned by the state supreme court. Yet, when Markowitz and Rosner spoke with us last spring, they were hopeful that a similar lawsuit in California might succeed where Rhode Island had failed.

DAVID ROSNER on Moyers & Company: The Supreme Court of Rhode Island had said this can't go under, there is no standing in future generations to get damages from these companies because they haven't been damaged yet. Until the kids are damaged you can't actually sue. And California has said that absolutely, public health law is all based upon preventing disease. All regulations are in order to prevent future damage, therefore it can go forward in California.

BILL MOYERS: And go forward it did, against more stiff opposition from the industry that denied ever having deliberately sold a harmful product. And yet, documents discovered by Rosner and Markowitz dating back as far as 1900 showed otherwise. Including one company’s admission that lead paint was a “deadly cumulative poison.” Unbelievably, the industry would go on to advertise that it was safe for children.

DAVID ROSNER on Moyers & Company: And they show these ads in which children are painting their toys, painting their cabinets, painting their walls, painting their furniture with a poison. At the same time when in their own internal documents they’re saying, we have these examples, we have, we’re being attacked because children and babies are getting poisoned by lead on their cribs.

BILL MOYERS: Finally, last month, success. That historical record helped convince a California Superior Court justice who wrote in his decision that, “In the 1920s, scientists from the Paint Manufacturers Association reported that lead paint used on the interiors of homes would deteriorate, and that lead dust resulting from this deterioration would poison children and cause serious injury.” The companies just never bothered to warn the public. And even though lead was banned from paint back in 1977, the industry continues to deny accountability and has defeated some 50 lawsuits nationwide. The California judge ruled that three companies must pay $1.1 billion dollars to remove lead paint in some 5 million homes. The companies will appeal. No surprise to Gerald Markowitz and David Rosner.

ROSNER on Moyers & Company: You know, in our lifetime we have seen the abandonment of the commitment to try to help those who are most vulnerable in our society. And instead of that commitment today we ask how much does it cost. And by that we mean how many dollars does it cost. We don’t ask what does it cost in terms of the health of our children, what does it cost in terms of the futures of our children and our society.

BILL MOYERS: So take a lesson from these two citizens who keep fighting for that future against the might of greed and power. Don’t give up. Fight on. You just might win.

At our website, BillMoyers.com, you can read more about the California lead paint lawsuit and also see last year’s complete interview with Gerald Markowitz and David Rosner. There’s also more about the political struggle in North Carolina.

That’s all at BillMoyers.com. I’ll see you there and I’ll see you here, next time.

Happy New Year.

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    Protesters rally during "Moral Monday" demonstrations on Halifax Mall outside the General Assembly in Raleigh, N.C., Monday, July 8, 2013. Nearly 700 people, led by the North Carolina Chapter of the NAACP, have been arrested over the past 10 weeks of the legislative session while protesting against policies being enacted by the North Carolina General Assembly. (AP Photo/Gerry Broome)
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Full Show: State of Conflict: North Carolina

January 3, 2014

First it was Wisconsin. Now it’s North Carolina that is redefining the term “battleground state.”  On one side:  a right-wing government enacting laws that are changing the face of the state. On the other:  citizen protesters who are fighting back against what they fear is a radical takeover. This crucible of conflict reflects how the battle for control of American politics is likely to be fought for the foreseeable future: not in Washington, DC, but state by state.

This week on Moyers & Company, “State of Conflict: North Carolina” offers a documentary report from a state that votes both blue and red and sometimes purple (Romney carried it by a whisker in 2012, Obama by an eyelash in 2008).  Now, however, Republicans hold the governor’s mansion and both houses of the legislature and they are steering North Carolina far to the right: slashing taxes on corporations and the wealthy, providing vouchers to private schools, cutting unemployment benefits, refusing to expand Medicaid and rolling back electoral reforms, including voting rights.

At the heart of this conservative onslaught sits a businessman who is so wealthy and powerful that he is frequently described as the state’s own “Koch brother.” Art Pope, whose family fortune was made via a chain of discount stores, has poured tens of millions of dollars into a network of foundations and think tanks that advocate a wide range of conservative causes.  Pope is also a major funder of conservative political candidates in the state.

Pope’s most ardent opponent is the Reverend William Barber, head of the state chapter of the NAACP, who says the right-wing state government has produced “an avalanche of extremist policies that threaten health care, that threaten education [and] that threaten the poor.” Barber’s opposition to the legislature as well as the Pope alliance became a catalyst for the protest movement that became known around the country as “Moral Mondays.”

“State of Conflict” is more than a local story. It offers a case study of what may be the direction of American politics for years, perhaps decades, to come.

Bill shares good news on the decades-long fight to protect children from the dangers of lead-based paint. When Bill spoke with public health historians Gerald Markowitz and David Rosner last year, they told him about a pending lawsuit in California demanding the paint industry to cover the cost of eliminating old lead paint from some five million homes.

“State of Conflict” is a collaboration between Okapi Productions, LLC and Schumann Media Center, Inc., headed by Bill Moyers, which supports independent journalism and media programs to advance public understanding of the critical issues facing democracy.

UPDATE: Please note that the Ari Berman interview has been edited for clarity. (1/9/2014)

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  • Allen Edmundson

    If Art Pope’s fortune rests on a retail chain, in particular one whose customers are damaged by the greed underlying his politics, then he is vulnerable to a boycott of his stores. Rival stores should be established to ruin Pope’s stores and to offer jobs to Pope’s employees…Where great fortunes are destructive, take them down.

  • Anonymous

    A new slogan for the “grand old party”:

    GOP = Greed Over People

    I don’t recall if I heard this from somewhere or it came from me. But it came to mind while viewing the program.

    Hurray for North Carolinians. We should ALL do as they have done and continue to do so. Revolution/protest/boycott is our ONLY option, as THEY have ALL the money/power, which they keep raking in and never return to the economy.

    We also need to vote/control with our wallets. I gave my family a list of bad/abusive/greedy/heartless/profit-only-driven companies. We swear to never darken their door or to contribute to their greed. Loss of capital/business is the ONLY thing they understand.

    We do have power if we want to step forward and claim it, as WE, not THEY, are 2/3 of the economy. We build/work/create. We purchase. We pay taxes.

    If we don’t build/work/create, they have NOTHING to sell. If we cannot make a living wage, we CANNOT purchase. They CANNOT do it without us–something they seem to forget.

    Let’s remind them.

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t have the stomach to watch the story of Art Pope this morning. Maybe I’ll come back to it. I will post it. Maybe someone else can manage to endure it. Watching so much evil tends to bring out the evil in me.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, exactly!

    I had to chuckle every time I heard Art Pope referred to as “smart.” A smart person, business or otherwise, does not harm the very people from which he/she hopes to profit. That tactic just defies intelligence and logic.

    That tactic qualifies as ruthlessness; ruthlessness does not require many brain cells to carry out, just the blind arrogance to assume you and only you are correct, and the permission to stomp on those who stand in your way.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lee.mortimer.315 Lee Mortimer

    Art Pope’s outsized influence is bad for democracy but should not be a distraction from the larger problem. Republicans would have won the 2010 election with or without Art Pope’s money. Studies show an infusion of money can add 5 percentage points to an election outcome. Republican candidates won 59% of the statewide legislative vote in 2010. So without money, the GOP would still have handily won control of both chambers in time for the 2011 redistricting.

    That’s when they locked in their power through a massive gerrymander, which in 2012 gave Republicans 65% of legislative seats on 52% of the statewide vote. We could repeal every provision of the “voter suppression law” and enact every campaign finance reform dreamed of since Watergate — and Republicans would still retain undeserved control of the North Carolina legislature for the foreseeable future.

    Reform of the redistricting process and ending gerrymandering must be at the very top of the reform agenda.

  • Anonymous

    The barbarians are evil and they are at the gate and they are breaching it. This is a literal existential problem for America.

  • Anonymous

    If you have the power to buy government and courts, you don’t need a chain of discount stores anymore. You only need the palace guard.

  • Anonymous

    A fountain without a source soon runs dry.

  • http://barbtries.blogspot.com barbtries

    It’s well balanced by many discussions with Moral Monday protesters definitely worth the time.

  • Anonymous

    Art Pope was the master mind behind the Republican control of NC? Wow, that’s giving Art a lot of credit he doesn’t deserve. Did you know that the Democrats controlled one or both houses of the NC General Assembly since 1896? Do you think gerrymandering had anything to do with the Democrat control of NC for over 110 years?

  • LASRD

    I am watching this on my laptop since it was blacked out in NC. Those Republicans sure like “government control of the people” when it benefits them. It is a true disappointment and I feel like the state is completely out of control. This has had a tangible effect on our people–especially in terms of education funding, taxes and healthcare.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lee.mortimer.315 Lee Mortimer

    Did you not see that I said: “Republicans would have won the 2010 election with or without Art Pope’s money.” And yes — Democrats also used gerrymandering (though not as egregiously as Republicans) to hold onto power in previous years. The point being that gerrymandering by either party is destructive to democracy and needs to stop.

  • susanpub

    I don’t think I could ever go back to live in NC now…
    = (

  • Anonymous

    But we still need your help. NC is a stalking horse for the most depraved ideas promulgated through ALEC. If they win here, you won’t be safe anywhere. It is easy to help, Both the ACLU and NAACP in NC maintain good web pages.

    And get your friends to join us at HKonJ in Raleigh on Saturday, Feb. 8.

  • Anonymous

    That is exactly why the Moral Monday message of non-violence is so importance. I admit the idea of “scriptural righteousness” made me nervous the first time I heard it in the Pullen Church in June. As the summer wore on, however, the wisdom of standing with love became increasingly valuable, and is the real reason that the Moral Monday movement was able to incorporate so many disparate groups.

  • Anonymous

    I am absolutely in awe of the caliber of people who make up Moral Monday.

  • Anonymous

    Go back to the Constitution and the bigots, NAACP, ALCU and big government can be cut down.. Too many taxes, too many ‘entitled slackers’ and too many people who work hard but pay for the price tag for the huge amount of people who don’t give a crap!!! I am all for helping the people who need it but NOT the non-working who can do better..

  • Anonymous

    It ‘s interesting that NC has not had a conservative legislature & governor in over 100 yrs.. That obvious have been hard to swallow..Many other states have had 100 % liberal control most of the time i.e. Illinois; Calif; N.York & the conservatives have not found it necessary to demonstrate on a given week day ..Richard Daly Democratic machine run Chicago & the state for years on end.. Elections do have consequences per our Pres Obama.. George Soros & his Tide Foundation has backed liberals with his billions..& I hear no out crying to speak of. Jon Corzina bundled 900,000 dollars for Obama after he illegally took over a billion dollars from the commodity hedge fund account..No jail time..Did he receive a “get out of jail card”… we wonder.. The program makes it sound like this type of politics has not happened before.. WOW I lived in Chicago.. NC is a small game compared to Daly in the 60-70s I recall the ’68 Democratic convention & all its riots.. Question ?? Why is it that it seem to be liberals who do the rioting.. Denver Democratic convention..No one arrested I believe.. Same year Republican Convention St Paul.. riots, windows broke, demonstrators arresting & convicted..Money seems to be key in this discussion.. Obama outspent his opposition in both elections. ’08-’12.. The liberals have not had a disadvantage in financial fund raising for elections. Check Open Secrets. org to be verified .. Thank You

  • Dave Williams

    Hey LibertyChick… why don’t you tell us what these three richest people actually DO with their wealth? Do they spend it on swinging elections or something else? Like the Koch brothers for example? What does Bill Gates or Warren Buffet do with their money? Do they try to influence elections? And as I recall, wasn’t it Warren Buffet who said there should be tax fairness? It was Warren Buffet who said there IS class warfare, and his class is winning. Get your facts straight LibertyChick!

  • Dave Williams

    You must be joking – “The interest of conservatives is to conserve and protect your liberties by limiting the power of the Federal government as delineated in the
    Constitution.”?

    Really? Like trying to restrict a womans’ right to choose or a same sex couple to marry? The FACT is, Conservatives want to CONTROL as much as they can. They want ZERO government when it come to their business friends, but 100% control over the lives of people to fit into what THEY believe you should do. Period.

  • Dave Williams

    Nice, but would NEVER work. Realistically this could never happen. Nice thought though. The BEST thing is to FIRST get money OUT of politics. But that will require a new amendment to the Constitution. THEN we elect smart politicians who actually DO represent the people. Unfortunately this will not happen until we solve the money-in-politics problem.

  • Dave Williams

    Too many taxes. Let’s go back to the taxes when Eisenhower was president. Then let’em see how they like it. Too many taxes my azz. “Entitled slackers”? Why don’t you tell use who THEY are? Why don’t YOU Tigolily help those people find jobs – you know, the jobs that aren’t there?

  • Dave Williams

    “It ‘s interesting that NC has not had a conservative legislature & governor in over 100 yrs.”

    Yeah, and isn’t it amazing that in ALL that time there were no HUGE demonstrations against the government being too wild and crazy? Only when the Republicans get control to they go crazy with outrageous legislation that outrages the people IN the state.

    “Accepting change seems to be the problem.” I guess it is when they start to RADICALLY change things that hurt a great many people.

  • Anonymous

    OMG no I am not. I felt that I had ranted enough. I could have gotten into the gov. waste, good ole buddy system and the tax credits to companies who ‘offshore’ jobs that impacts our poor and honest working people.

  • Anonymous

    I felt that I had ranted enough. I could have gotten into the gov. waste, good ole buddy system and the tax credits to companies who ‘offshore’ jobs that impacts our poor and honest working people. This is where the jobs have gone!! As for some of the ‘Entitled Slackers’, go to the Social Services office some time and see what goes on!! As I said, I have a problem with people who bring kids into the world and could give a crap about how they are going to afford or raise them. The fathers that keep having kids with different people and not giving a crap!! I am NOT talking about the people who try to work and/or work 2 jobs!!! I have NO PROBLEM helping anyone but our government has created a group of people who don’t care if they take and take and take.. The poor people with no jobs get hurt by these people too!!!

  • Anonymous

    Many American feel Obama has passed “outrageous legislation” in Obamacare & we do not see a weekly demonstation.. The majority of the folks do not approve of this ACA which “Radicaly change things that hurt a great many people” If it happens to liberals there is a different justifialbe reaction but conservatives do no qualify to demonstrate when “hurt”.. Double standards in the msm seems to occurr quite frequently.

  • Dave Williams

    You’re out of your mind – “the majority of folks” do not approve? Huh? WE VOTED FOR OBAMA and the ACA was one of the things we voted FOR. Romney didn’t get elected, did he? If he had, then you COULD say “the majority do not approve,” but you can’t because the majority DOES approve. Period.

  • Dave Williams

    So what would YOU do Tigolily? Scrap the whole system because some are losers and game the system? NO ONE likes those who are slackers and INTENTIONALLY screw the system, but it is better to have the system for the MAJORITY that actually need it than remove it (or reduce it) and actually hurt far too many.

  • Anonymous

    I would stop allowing companies to get tax breaks if they ‘offshore’ jobs. There’s something wrong when people can’t find work.. The government has allowed hundreds of thousands of jobs to be cut out in America.. The companies say that the unions are the problem but IBM was not union and they have sent almost all of their admin jobs to Brazil, Canada, Mexico and several other countries!! I am not saying that anyone should be hurt but we HAVE to stop the bleeding because this is the problem.. Not keep giving people hand outs that they don’t want!! 90% of people will work if they are paid enough to live!! They need money for mortgages, child care, food which takes a decent job.. I did not mean to sound insensitive but there ARE no jobs and keeping people on a paltry amount hurts everyone!!

  • Anonymous

    WOW.. I won’t speculate where your mind is but all the polls I’ve seen well over 50% disapprove of Obamacare.. Lately one poll had 64% want it repealed. Just because Obama won does not mean the folks approve of Obamacare. Why is it in the news negatively most days lately. To state the conservatives are not interested in helping people…what can I say. Polls have shown the right gives much more heavily to charity than the left.. to say conservatives don’t care.. REALLY.. No one is suppressing voters rights. just trying to clean up the corruiption like ACORN & chicago style elections.

  • Dave Williams

    Okay… let me be clear – you’re FULL of crap. We’re not talking about right-wing polls. There are usually three categories in polls – 1. like it, 2. doesn’t go far enough, 3. hate it. ALL of the polls I’ve seen show categories 1 & 2 higher than 50%. Which to me is amazing considering the smear campaign (ie lies) perpetuated by the Republican party. We’ll see how this pans out in the next year or so – when MILLIONS of Americans will finally be able to obtain health care at a decent price – AND… not be denied for pre-existing conditions, among other pluses.

  • Dave Williams

    Okay… one, I agree with you COMPLETELY about the offshoring of jobs and taxes. Unfortunately it was the Republicans who have blocked ANY measure to reward companies bringing jobs back and to penalize any company that offshores. This is a fact. In fact Obama even cited this in one of his State of the Union addresses. So let’s face it, Republicans are ENTIRELY responsible for this. But considering how they are so pro-big-business, it’s not surprising.

    Two…The government has little to do with jobs going overseas – big business is responsible for this.

    Three… I would bet that more than 90% of people will want to work as long as they are paid enough. Increasing the minimum wage is a start – had the minimum wage kept up with inflation, it would be over $20 now. Imagine how THAT would help the economy now with that much more being infused? You want to talk about job creation? Blame the Republicans. They ran in 2010 on “jobs, jobs, jobs.” What did we get when they began their first session? An abortion bill. They have passed ZERO true jobs bills and it;’s not even on their agenda in 2014. So YOU tell me which party is serious about job creation.

  • Anonymous

    Bless you.. Good Bye.

  • Dave Williams

    And you. ;)

  • Dave Williams

    Agreed. Do the wealthy in this country abusing their power think that they will be able to sell to the Chinese or Indian people when the American people run dry? It just seems like they cannot see what they are doing to our own economy and/or simply do not care.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for bringing up some of this.. I love to read the comments because I need to know some of the ‘real’ details and it makes me look at another side of things. I am trying hard to read and research anything this year. I hate to admit it but for years I voted but did not look into each candidate as much as I should.. I appreciate any comments that make me think!!!

  • William A Weeks

    At some point the decision to trust a source of information must be made to participate in the dialogue of current events. I personally have come to trust and value the presentation of information from Bill Moyers and his team. The “blackout” decision by the powers that be in public tv have therefore eroded my faith in that organization. This may or may not impact their decision making process but it certainly has impacted mine. There is no defense of the decision to block the airing of this episode in NC or anywhere just as there is no defense to be made for taking positions that in any way deteriorate the public voting participation. Any and all efforts to the contrary are disingenuous at best no matter the rationalization put forward. The freedom of the press has no meaning if free market is allowed to buy up and hide all the ink.

  • William A Weeks

    States rights are extremely important as the geographic and resource availability are varied and require local fostering and control. The one area of law that should observe no state boundary and be held inviolate are those protecting equally individual freedoms and protections. No state should be allowed enact or prosecute any agenda that limits the participation in the federally mandated activities of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness limited only and always in that these activities detract from another person’s right to the same. Therein lies the dilemma.

  • Anonymous

    We sat back and didn’t protest the demise of the ‘Fairness Doctrine’ that took place under the guise of such great diversity of the news media. Funny thing was, at the same time they claimed diversity they were also embarking on a major campaign to consolidate the media to such a degree that we are now being propagandized to on a level that would make the Third Reich jealous.
    This is how people like Art Pope are able to take over and take away our rights on a scale that would make our founding fathers turn over in their graves.
    These republicans are nothing more than puppets for the uber wealthy so that they can become one of their ‘select’ few that are granted privilege and wealth.
    Rejoin your local democratic party and start influencing who they put forward as candidates. As long as we vote by issue and independents think their best effort is in the primary voting it will be next to impossible to effect real change.
    Rejoin the Democratic party and tell them you want candidates that stand with the people and not the corporations.
    This assault has been thirty years in the making and we have been asleep at the wheel.
    Wake up!

  • Anonymous

    Please see my comments on the demise of the ‘Fairness Doctrine’ and how we are being propagandized by the highly consolidated media.
    I truly believe our best hope is to leave the independent voter registration behind and rejoin the Democratic Party so that we may better influence WHO they put forth as candidates for office. Issue voting has to take a back seat to the overall party policies and the Democrats have always been the people’s best voice.

  • Anonymous

    The right has taken the majority of the wealth and the statistics prove they can and never will give enough to make up for the loss difference that will occur with the policy changes. We who make less already give to an extreme degree and that is never enough even with help from government and state assistance programs. I, for one, am not going to take the stance that we stop helping because a small percentage abuse the program. If we took that REALLY seriously, there would be FEWER corporations because they are the largest abusers of government largess in the country.

  • Anonymous

    To assume the right has all the wealth does not take into the fact that in 2008 the 10 richest congressman… 8 of them were liberals. i.e Herb Kohl & John Kerry being the richest. The Hollywood money, Bill Gate, Warren Buffet are supporter of the liberals add in George Soros with his billkions it appears the liberals have more wealth as the Wall St bankers gave more to Obama.. so both parties have more money than needed to conduct a campaign. I know no one who against helping the needy but consider the fact that in 1964 when Johnson declared his war on poverty we had 15% living in poverty…50 yrs later & trillions of tax dollars spent on poverty we still have 14-15 % living in poverty..Sadly Govt has not solved the problem. The major help would be for folks to find a good paying job so they can feel good about themselves. All the billions of stimulus money spent has only increase national debt so we have financial child abuse for many unborn (who don’t vote) Govt performs poorly in job creation. I never worked for a poor person. 10% of the folks pay 70% of the taxes..I ask what is a fair level of taxation or should I say level of spending?? Thank you.

  • Anonymous

    Turn off fox news…..

  • Anonymous

    Mr. Obama did not pass any legislation. The President doesn’t pass it, he only signs legislation that the House of Reprehensibles and the Senate pass to him.

  • Anonymous

    Too many Teabillies.

  • Dave Williams

    How about we go back to Eisenhower level taxing?

    And I don’t know where you get your…stats, but the FACTS are:

    “The official poverty rate fell from 19.5 percent in 1963 to 11.1
    percent in 1973. Since 1973 it has remained stubbornly stable, rising in the 1970′s and 1980′s and falling in the 1990′s. By 2000, the poverty rate returned to 11.3 percent; last year, it inched up to 12.1 percent.

    The trend is not the same for all groups. For the aged, the poverty rate fell from close to 30 percent in 1963 to 16.3 percent in 1973, then to 10.4 percent in 2002. The share of children in poverty fell from 23.1 to 14.4 percent in the first decade of the war on poverty, but increased
    to 16.7 percent over the next three decades. For blacks, the rate fell from more than 40 percent before the war on poverty to 31 percent in 1973, and was 24 percent in 2002, still disturbingly high but much lower
    than it had been.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/08/business/economic-scene-after-40-years-what-are-some-results-lessons-america-s-war.html

  • Anonymous

    The stations just do not pick it up and run that segment. Hard to believe what has happened to our American democracy due to the Pope and Koch money. Witness SCOTUS Citizens United decision — corporations are people. Never mind, that the actual Articles of Incorporation are nothing more than a legal entity to absolve shareholder liability for debts of the enterprise.

  • NCCaniac42

    I have been a happy participant but have not been arrested in the Moral Mondays and will continue to participate. In order to change this we must VOTE in EVERY ELECTION to get rid of these Kochroaches

  • Anonymous

    The poverty raw numbers are staggering no matter what the % is as the population has grown considerably . Accepting the NYtimes as factual is like looking to Wikepedia for facts.. My source was the WSJ & the major net works. Govt has not solved this problem because they have failed in reuniting the family. The births of unwed mother has grown extremely in the wrong direction.. The govt rewards more such birth with increased wealth fair checks. The trillions of taxpayer dollars spend on poverty.. war on poverty.. we’ve lost because govt thinks it can create jobs and/or solve poverty with hand outs. I don’t know the quick answer but its obvious govt doesn’t either only keep the folks looking for hand outs for votes.. I laugh every time our elected officials use the NYtimes as an authority for factual info.

  • Dave Williams

    Okay smart guy… it’s NOT the job of the government to “reunite the family.” Unbelievable that ANYONE could think that really. And perhaps you have not been paying attention, but there are a great many different lifestyles and ONE of them is single women intentionally having children. Unfortunately we still have a problem with poverty. You say the government’s lost the war on poverty – and yet you have no idea how much the Right has FOUGHT tooth and nail to kill those programs that help the poor and therefore allow the government to be FAR less effective. That’s like telling your church group to feed the neighborhood and giving the leader $10 – good luck.

    And yeah, let’s look to the WSJ for 100% accurate unbiased facts. You DO know they are corporate-slanted? Probably not. It’s obvious you are a devout right-winger who thinks that government is ineffective at everything – except perhaps at war.

    Yeah, good bye. You’ve already said that before and yet you keep coming back ignoring my comments and then starting something else. Typical when you have nothing of value to stand on.

  • JJ042804

    In Canada too? :O :(

  • JJ042804

    Obamacare was actually created by Congress, not by Obama and considering who benefits the most reflects that. Just look at all the legislation Congress has past and then look at the structure of Obamacare. Looks similar, doesn’t it?! Remember, Skunks can’t change their stripe, nor their stench.

  • JJ042804

    Polls have shown the right gives much more heavily to charity than the left.. to say conservatives don’t care. — Isn’t that hypocritical, considering that Republicans cutting the Nations Safety Net right out from under us. If the give to Charity so much, why not prove it by strengthening the Safety Net and working to get desperately needed Jobs back into our Country!?

  • JJ042804

    normally not, but if you have money out the wazoo, you can buy the programing.

  • JJ042804

    It’s best to look at what’s going on in reality. When I look at the News, I look for Video feeds. Prints can say a lot without making it true, but Video is incontrovertible evidence of what’s going on. Watch Bill Moyers & Company and Robert Reich’s post’s, they are right on the money on the happenings in our Country.

  • Anonymous

    Has anyone asked the NC PBS stations for an explanation?

  • Anonymous

    Thanks .. I am trying to be more knowledgeable on the government and I’ll start watching these guys..

  • Anonymous

    Very Good. Good Is it possible for the The big insurance HMO’s and Big Employers get together in a STATE like WA and be an ART Pope as well????? Hmmm? IS THE big Art Pope in WA STATE, the insurance industry aided by big biss?

  • DavidW

    The people lack the economic power of the one percent. That economic power can easily be translated into political power. How can we moderate that? By competing with the one percent and owning our own piece of a revenue generating enterprise.

    Think of a Food Co-op as a model. Consumer or worker owned, One person, one vote. Locally focused job creation and the products and services the community can agree upon.

    Think about how much wealth extraction could be stemmed by doing more for ourselves, because ownership is power in this country. Go, continue to petition and protest, but concurrently learn about this business model and implement it by organizing or supporting your local Food Co-op, Credit Union and by choosing where your spend your money.

  • Marcia Everett

    We cannot out spend these people. Our only option is to support only those who receive funds from people not businesses. We need to SHUN them out of our politics. It can only be done with complete commitment. join us at http://gp.org

  • Marcia Everett

    So every 14th of the month we can get together and walk our neighborhoods and hand out NEWS and information to help our neighbors find more news! http://facebook.com/groups/protestonthe14th

  • James Tennier

    N.C. is at the forefront: the forefront of the demise of America but it certainly is not alone!
    It is people like the gov. and legislators that will destroy democracy, first in their state and if we are not truly vigilant, throughout the country.
    America must wake up. This is a precursor to one of two futures: a soul-less nation in which only the privileged flourish or a nation that awakens to the last fleeting moments of their chance at recapturing our Democracy. Time is short, there is no doubt.
    Our saving grace may well lie in the physical demise of these people as they “age out.”
    What does this say about the U.S. of A.
    Wake up and fight back or suffer the consequences.

  • Anonymous

    The last elections the liberals had more money for campaigning then the conservatives .. Congress has Just as many liberal millionaires as conservatives. Wall St with all their money has gave more to the liberals & H. Clinton has been giving talks for Goldman Sachs so I don’t buy the idea that liberal do not represent the rich..Seem that Bill Gates & Warren Buffet are big supporters to Obama. If the liberals support the poor & middle class why after 5 yrs do we have more folks in poverty & the middle class income falling? The stimulus bill went to supporters of Obama i.e. Solindra etc.. all wasted tax dollars. To conclude both parties have way too much money to spend for campaigning & both reward their financial supporters with our dollars. I’m not a fan of either..

  • Anonymous

    Yes, funny. All the funded entities don’t agree. In fact, that is because these funders fund both sides of the arguments to control both sides. But, there are only ever TWO sides to any argument. Most of the voices have to be kept down because otherwise, they shatter the myths and assumptions of both sides of the false left right divide in this country.

  • Anonymous

    That is exactly what they will do, and you American Serfs will be here to work the low wage jobs to create the products they intend to sell to their new consumer base.

  • Dave Williams

    “We” American serfs? I’m fighting against this BS. I certainly will not be working for these a-holes. Before it gets that far there WILL be a revolution – by that time even the idiots who continued to vote Republicans will join in as well.

  • Anonymous

    I’m proud to be a North Carolinian and even prouder of our government. We are not controlled by a bunch of out of state liberals. We think and vote on our own. As far as the so called Moral Mondays and Mr. Barber they are people that want to control our election process. In our state you have to provide a picture ID to buy cigarettes, buy beer, wine and liquors, drive a car, buy a hunting license. Our drivers license have picture ID and if you can’t drive, it cost $5.00 to get a state issued picture ID. Mr. Barber is trying to stir up hatred in our state where there is little. Check our crime rates against Chicago, Detroit, Washington, Atlanta, St. Louis, etc. We are just fine. And please Mr. Moyer take Mr Barber with you when you leave our state. He is no longer headlines here, maybe you can us him elsewhere.

  • Anonymous

    There are still no HUGE demonstrations. Look at the “crowd” maybe at the first you had 100 to 250 people. Now barely 50. No headlines here folks, move on.

  • Anonymous

    Doesn’t change the fact that the law is good. And the Moral Monday crowd are irrellevent.

  • Anonymous

    Wow- this was coming! Thank god people are getting it together and protesting all the abuse. Our lives are at stake! There is a national agenda to impoverish and threaten the health, safety and welfare of the majority. We must take a stand for our lives and the lives of future generations!