Who Doesn’t Have Photo ID?

August 2, 2012

In this week’s broadcast, representatives from the Brennan Center for Justice rebut claims that getting voter ID is easy and “free” for anyone who needs it.

Now, meet two Philadelphia women at serious risk of losing their rights to vote due to Pennsylvania’s strict new voter ID laws: Laila Stones, a retired nurse working towards a culinary degree; and Ana Gonzalez, a community organizer, mother of four and grandmother of twelve. These women, and many like them, are stuck in a real-life Catch 22: You need a birth certificate to get a government-issued photo ID, but you need a photo ID to get a birth certificate. Local activists also explain the difficulty in getting such IDs.

Both Stones and Gonzalez were witnesses in the ACLU’s case against the new voter ID laws. An injunction blocking the rules may be their best hope for expressing their fundamental rights as citizens this November.

Lauren Feeney, producer/editor; Cameron Hickey, camera

The Fight to Vote

Learn about your own state requirements, make sure you yourself are prepared to vote, and help spread the word through the Election Protection website or via the hotline at: 1-866-OUR-VOTE (1-866-687-8683).

If you live in the Philadelphia area, get all the information you need to ensure your voting rights from the Committee of Seventy's website. You can also volunteer to help others prepare to vote in November.

To learn more about the case brought by the ACLU of Pennsylvania, Advancement Project, Public Interest Law Center of Philadelphia, and Arnold & Porter, visit the ACLU's blog.

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  • cbuchh48

    These are the targets of the GOP’s voter ID laws. They’re winning any way they can.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002177860046 Ann J. Pace

    This is a totally outrageous, grossly unfair, and unpatriotic situation. As a native, I used to be proud of Pennsylvania, but who are these fools who want to destroy our democracy. These good people (shown here) MUST be allowed to vote.

  • Cathy A.

    Can’t they argue against these restrictive voting laws on the basis of no taxation without representation? If these people are now legally unable to vote, shouldn’t they also be free of taxation?

  • plcockrell

    The catch 22 is caused by the Anti-terrorism laws that passed to be able to block possible terrorists from getting IDs. Our state requires either an ID or a voter’s registration card. The registration card can be obtained by going to the clerk’s office and proving residence. It sounds to me like Pennsylvania needs to get something coordinated.

  • Rob

    I’m curious how a woman went through her entire career as a nurse, and enrolled in a culinary school, without an ID. This smells fishy to me.

  • David Kerlick

    “Voter ID passed, Pennsylvania for Romney. Check”

  • Betty S.

    How old are you? I’m not dead yet, but when I registered to vote the printed application had a very subtle “trick” to it that you’d have to be alert for to notice. Thankfully, the registrar lived next door to us and coached me carefully saying things like “read the instructions thoroughly, take your time, etc., etc.” I won’t mention the state, but it is one listed as “swing” these days. This woman no doubt has ID, but maybe not one mtg the rigid criteria set forth.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Catherine-Maxwell/100001432131219 Catherine Maxwell

    Seems like perfect logic. Someone should take that ball and run with it!

  • http://tiny.cc/ewcollins Eliot W. Collins

    The one woman that I know who was delivered by a midwife, was born in North Carolina and is now in her 70′s. She told me that getting her birth certificate was no problem at all. Others may have had different experiences.

  • Anonymous

    I actually agree. We had to have either a state ID or valid drivers license to register for school. I know my son had to have the same to register for culinary school as well.

  • http://www.facebook.com/71Goldtop Garry Barrett

    oh just stop it. this is utter BS. there is voter fraud and everybody knows it! it’s been proven! get a valid photo
    ID or STFU!

  • http://www.facebook.com/jackbowsky Jack Bowsky

    Changed driver licencure for me and care with reg. title and tags. With two masters degree’s it took me twice that law allow in this state with $80.00 plus in fees for BC. The SS card not medicare even though you would have to have SS to get it. Along with inspection life was hell putting everything toget and the old stuff was some where in 13 tones of items without me marking some boxes right I would guess. Once when working not to long ago I had a vietnamese boat kid who was mentally ill. The bus driver on his route demand photo ID with his monthy pass. This never never happens even though a rule say it can. The driver hated asians because of his tour of duty in the war. I stood day after day in line trying to help this kid and between his lost papers and DMV I had to give up. Lost it and started screaming after weeks “can’t you see this human being is alive and in front of you “didn’t matter” he could not get mental health help because he could not ride bus there nor get id or papers to prove he was real.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=705525887 Sarah Ferrell

    It sounds like some people who commented have not watched the video. Please do. All sorts of these irregularities exist. There are little old ladies in tiny towns who have voted in the same place for 70 years who cannot get their birth certificates–because they do not exist. One lady I saw–who is a plaintiff in one of the cases, I believe–is black and there is no certificate of her birth. Apparently, we were not as scrupulous as we might have been about recording the births of black girl babies at the beginning of the 20th century, especially in the South. A guy I know who lives in Salt Lake City, who has his birth certificate, a car, and a job that allows time off for running errands, cannot believe that this is a real problem. It is amazing how stuck in our own circumstances we can get.

    Even if people have what they need to get the ID, sometimes it comes down to things like being able to get the right day off work to go get it. Transportation can be a problem. And then there are the voters who will try to vote not knowing they do not have the right ID, having assumed that because they have always voted, they were not affected by the new laws. They probably won’t end up being allowed to vote!

    These are the probems poor Americans face–middle class people can sometimes be so insulated from how the other half lives that they cannot fathom the idea that anyone actually lives like that. Lots of things might be different if they could. One of the cries you hear is that you have to have ID to fly. Seriously? That is definitely a situation where there is a major disconnect. (Poorer people tend not to fly a whole awful lot, in case you aren’t sure what I mean.)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=705525887 Sarah Ferrell

    Actually, the people making these new laws probably count on (largely white) voters’ disbelief that these difficulties acquiring the new IDs are real problems. And they are undoubtedly aware that it is minorities and poor people who have more of these problems, because they are the ones who vote for Democrats. It is a coordinated attack by Republicans to shave off voters in states the president won narrowly in 2008.

  • BunnyOle

    these laws are NOT restrictive. I argue that any fat lazy person who can’t be bothered to obtain an I.D. (and please explain HOW THEY LIVE – because when I turned 18 all of 30 years ago I discovered I couldn’t do ANYTHING without I.D. and the lady at the BANK told me where to go to get one – and it cost almost NOTHING.

    If the govt assumes all people can ‘afford’ health insurance, THEN I FEEL CERTAIN THEY ASSUME ALL PEOPLE CAN AFFORD $10 TO GET AN I.D.


  • BunnyOle

    Yeah it’s so unfair that illegal aliens won’t be able to vote now.

  • BunnyOle

    Yeah, and all the dead democrats who still vote, along with the FELONS, who have not received their right to vote back yet, and who are encouraged to vote by people like AL FRANKEN, THATS REALLY FAIR.

    OR HOW ABOUT MY HOME TOWN, MEMPHIS? A black 16 year old boy came on the news to say how he was encouraged to register to vote by democratic ‘acorn’ people – when he protested he was only 16, they said it didn’t matter. ON TELEVISION he showed the VOTER REGISTRATION CARD HE RECEIVED THAT SAID HE WAS 23 YEARS OLD.
    LESSADOLLA Sowers in Tupelo Mississippi voted TEN TIMES for OBAMA – a former NAACP executive, sentenced to one year for each vote.

  • BunnyOle

    what ‘RIGID’ criteria?? Why are you rambling about “swing” – you don’t make any sense what-so-ever. You can’t even open a BANK ACCOUNT without I.D. – you cannot cash a check, get on welfare, file for unemployment, apply for and receive health insurance – YOU CAN’T EVEN OBTAIN A JOB without the proper paperwork required for the I-9 identification documentation required by the U.S. govt as proof of citizenship.

    You might not ‘be dead yet’ but you sound like you have dementia.

  • BunnyOle

    I am 48, when I was 18 and got a job, I found out very quickly that I could not ‘exist’ without I.D. I didn’t drive, but, the nice lady at the bank told me exactly where to go and how to get LEGAL govt issued STATE ID.

    You can’t even cash your check or open a bank account without the SAME TYPES OF ID they are requiring for people to vote – so somebody needs to tell me how these ‘frauds’ manage to get by without ID ???

  • BunnyOle

    I have a hard time believing people like you are so stupid you don’t even realize how many illegal immigrants were and are voting when all they are required to show for I.D. is a phone bill with their name on it.

    with 30,000,000 illegals in the country, I don’t want them voting.

  • BunnyOle

    I agree – for god’s sake. What are these people trying to say now? That they don’t have a birth certificate because they were BLACK? WHAT A LIE. If anything it could be because they were born at home and nobody reported the birth – regardless of race, all people had birth certificates made in hospital.

    I feel QUITE CERTAIN that there would be any number of people within the govt agencies, the hospitals, what-ever who would be more than willing to help someone obtain a birth certificate.

    (Obama did it LOLLL wink wink) XD XD

  • BunnyOle

    MY PURSE GOT STOLEN and I had EVERYTHING In it because I was in the process of moving (normally didn’t carry my birth certificate with me)
    So I lost my original birth certificate, my ss card, my drivers license, EVERYTHING – I mean I had nothing, and this very same CATCH 22 came into play for me. Can’t get B.C. without ID, can’t get ID without B.C.

    WELL I STILL GOT IT TAKEN CARE OF, it’s called DETERMINATION, PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, ‘taking care of business’ – getting your ‘s h*t’ straight’, fulfilling the legal requirements of life in the U.S.A –

    I FILED A POLICE REPORT THAT ALL WAS STOLEN – WENT DOWN TO THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE PLACE – took just ‘whatever I had” that could possibly show that I was who I said I was
    – paycheck stubs, bank checks, old bank statements, utility bills, my lease, phone bills, credit card statements, car registration, HOW ABOUT A COPY OF YOUR 1099 or other tax documents you can get from your employer? HOW ABOUT AN AFFIDAVIT signed and notarized by your employer? DID YOU KNOW CHURCH BAPTISMAL RECORDS CAN ALSO BE USED – LEGALLY – TO HELP OBTAIN OTHER IDENTIFICATION??

    I took the bus downtown to the federal building – Spoke to the NICE LADIES WHO WORK DOWN there and GOT MY BIRTH CERTIFICATE IN 10 MINUTES !!
    If you want to be a lazy whining pathetic person talking about “I was born on the floor” as if that has ANY relevance WHAT-SO-EVER to anything – then just DON’T VOTE. How do you even have a job, a bank account, or even cash a check…SIMPLE ANSWER IS YOU CAN’T. (being born in the floor, sympathy ploy and definitely a lie…..why would a midwife throw her mama down on the floor like an animal to deliver a baby – and even if true, as if somehow that is the worst fate on earth, considering probably 80% of the babies on EARTH are born ‘on the floor’ in the dirt, on a thin blanket if they are lucky – take a look outside the U.S. – being delivered in a hospital is a LUXURY not the NORM – I held a still damp newborn in my arms while I was in Africa, before I realized the mother had just given birth shortly before – as I was wondering why she looked like she didn’t feel well then shocked to realize considering she just gave birth she looked AWESOME). A bunch of my cousins were born at home. I don’t want to hear that mess!
    #2 while working for a brokerage firm, I was able to directly request, without written permission from the ‘client’ AND RECEIVE copies of birth certificates, whenever I needed one to prove age of majority or any number of reasons one might require a B.C. as part of a file in a financial institution.

    YOU CANNOT – OPEN A BANK ACCT., CASH A CHECK, GET A JOB, LEASE AN APARTMENT, OBTAIN UTILITIES, APPLY FOR ANY GOVT SERVICES or AID (unemployment, welfare, food stamps, social security, etc. – and all disability social security checks are DIRECT DEPOSIT ONLY they no longer issue paper checks – so you HAVE to have a bank account and it HAS to have YOUR name on it) obtain car-life-or HEALTH insurance (how they gonna qualify for OBAMA CARE?) YOU CAN’T PICK UP CERTAIN PRESCRIPTION MEDS without valid I.D.

    FOR GOD’S SAKE these women have BEEN knowing about these problems FOR A VERY LONG TIME!! They have had plenty of time to get this taken care of, and their pathetic I CAN’T GET IT DONE (did they even TRY?? REALLY??? I don’t believe it – somebody told them OH you can’t get B.C. without I.D. or YOU CAN’T GET A B.C. – DIRT FLOOR LADY) and so they gave up IMMEDIATELY.



    WHEN I first started voting 30 years ago I was required to show I.D. – I THOUGHT IT WAS NORMAL.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HA4PEL6GZLLEOJTNPDGBFYE4J4 Charlie

    We have now heard from the A–holes on the right. Who as usual, have no idea what they’re talking about.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HA4PEL6GZLLEOJTNPDGBFYE4J4 Charlie

    Here we go again. More idiocy from the right. And you say we don’t make any sense. You lost any sense when you started watching Faux News.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HA4PEL6GZLLEOJTNPDGBFYE4J4 Charlie

    As usual, you’ve got your “facts” wrong. Probably got them from Faux News. If Faux News said it, it’s probably a lie.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HA4PEL6GZLLEOJTNPDGBFYE4J4 Charlie

    MOre BS from the idiocy balcony, Garry. Voter fraud has been proven to be a fallacy. Guess you too listen to Faux News.

  • Connie

    The lawyers for the State of Pennsylvania signed a stipulation before the trial started…there had been NO VOTER ID FRAUD IN PENNSYLVANIA! They didn’t want the fact there had been NO FRAUD brought up during the trial! They went with a different strategy….the legislatures can make a law…b/c they want to. Period. That is their argument.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dan.cole.777 Dan Cole

    280,000? Where did that number come from? The Democrats crack me up: they will do anything to win, and cry like babies when they lose.

  • Anonymous

    Too bad that Pennsylvania, home to Philadelphia, the city of brotherly love,
    the seat of history, and keeper of our beloved artifacts and historical buildings (The Liberty Bell, Independence Hall, Carpenters Hall, The Betsy Ross House, etc. etc.) has devolved into a state who would deprive people of their constitutional rights. One would expect Pennsylvania, because of their proud history, to be a leader for democracy rather than jumping on the garbage scow with states who want to deprive people of their right to vote. This action, like garbage, stinks.

  • Anonymous

    Right or left, Republican, Democrat or Independent, Conservative or Liberal, Meat eater or Vegetarian, pet lover or no – people’s right to vote – sacred.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tony.summers.566 Tony Summers

    Actually, you only need one form of identification to get a birth certificate as long as you have proof of address, usually a utility bill (gas, electric, etc.) A social security card is accepted as identification and that same bill is all that’s needed to obtain one. The department of motor vehicles requires three forms of I.D. and those same procured documents to obtain a non-driver identification card. If you start early, you can get them all in one day.

  • Patricia Elgee

    In FL, I always presented a driver’s license and thought nothing of it. However, No citizens should be denied the right to vote. If an ID is required, then there should be an office where citizens are assisted in getting a legal, photo ID FREE. Citizens should never have to pay for their right to vote. There should also be waiting time limit, because we all know how abusive the interminable wait for driver’s licneses and vehicle registrations can be on everyone.
    Truly this would be good for the country. The government should be able to account for every citizen. It would be good for the country to record this information, name, birth, social security, fingerprints. Although it will be a tremendous task to begin now, it should have been done long ago.
    So I guess I could agree with the ID requirement as long as it does not deny people the right to vote. I am almost smiling at this tactic to keep people from the polls. Try to take away a person’s religion or right to vote, and that person becomes Born Again and Model Citizen. Look Out.

  • http://twitter.com/memerider memerider

    It’s worse than people think. I was denied a driver’s license renewal and it took more than 2 months to reconstruct my life. Social Security had lost all of my records since the early 1970s and although I had the card they issued about 1971, they said it meant nothing. I had had a driver’s license since 1966.

  • http://www.facebook.com/thomas.fendley2 Thomas Fendley

    shoes on the other foot….voter fraud has been monopolized by the left…i know, i live in obama’s hometown….the cesspool of democratic corrupotion

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.munsey Michael Munsey

    This is a red herring. Requiring ID or birth certificate to register to vote is not new and is pretty much universal. The thing that is new is requiring ID to vote (not register to vote). How did these people even register to vote with no ID or birth certificate? Also, the veteran mentioned will have a DD Form 2 ID card which is valid ID for voting, he will not need a drivers license.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.munsey Michael Munsey

    What you should be doing is helping these people get a birth certificate if they never had one. For example, see

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.munsey Michael Munsey

    Don’t nurses have to do background checks in order to be licensed? She can get a license to practice nursing, but not a license to drive?

  • kmtominey44

    These laws and the law makers behind them are truly reprehensible. It would be useful for one of the shows to have an evening list of citizens whose voting rights are being challenged so everyone can know which politicians are trying to take away nana’s or Umpa’s vote. With help these folks could friend all of their relatives and friends and spread the word. a page out of Charlie Wilson’s playbook for making the jerks pay with their jobs.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.munsey Michael Munsey
  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christine-George/788189118 Christine George

    Because she lives in a large city she may never have gotten a license or even learned to drive. I would think she would use public transportation. I know many people who live in urban areas and don’t drive. They never have and never will.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christine-George/788189118 Christine George

    The laws for getting a birth certificate vary by state.

  • Northstar

    Folks, this looks like the exception rather than the rule. I think that the purpose is to cut down on fraud. My gosh, how do you function without a photo ID these days? The current practice of having folks who vote multiple time in multiple precincts (or using dead people’s alias’) needs to be nipped in the bud. If someone has a better option than a photo ID, I am willing to reconsider my position.

  • LMA

    The right to bear arms is feverously guarded and any attempt to surpress that fundamental right is met with swift and fierce opposiition. Yet, that very precious right to vote is being denied to the most vulnerable of the US population. If that same individual previously barred from voting, commited a crime or failed to pay his or her taxes–suddenly, it’d be likely that the penal/legal system would find little difficulty in identifying, and then assessing appropriate punishment to the accused legally “unidentified” person.

  • http://www.facebook.com/niles.nelson Niles Nelson

    The voter ID campaign by the Republican’ts seems like a natural
    progression from the Birthers argument against President Obama’s natural
    born citizenship.

    If they can’t make it stick on President Obama
    they’re trying to reduce his support among
    his less powerful, more rural, age disadvantaged (young and old) and
    financially disadvantaged supporters.

    Are Republican’ts not supposed to
    be the party about more Freedom and more Liberty?

  • Anonymous

    Well, if you provide evidence that there have been multiple voting and voting of the dead that has affected any election in modern times, I would be willing to consider that you have a valid argument.

    That type of “voting” fraud is extremely minimal — what would be known as “statistical outliers.”

    Election fraud, however — fraudulently counting or totaling vote counts by election officials or suppliers of the technology we now use for our elections — is probably having serious and deleterious effects on our Electoral College process for choosing our elected officials. Do you want to nip that in the bud? Too, late, for it is already in full flower, I fear.

    The voting frauds you mention were “nipped in the bud” a long time ago. And picture I.D. “issued by the state” (except those issued by the state for college students at state schools, of course) would not “nip” that anyway, for clever people. I’m not even clever, but I do happen to be in possession of my dead mother’s drivers’ license and my hair is gray too and we look very much alike. Maybe I can vote twice? Hmmmmmmm…. Oh, and I still have my old picture I.D. from when I was a Research Associate (employee, not student) at the state university. My states new voter I.D. law does allow that as a valid I.D., for NO GOOD REASON at all, because they were issued to all employees w/o proof of citizenship or residence. I might be able to get a third vote, even, if I think real hard. Even at that, such “fraud” would be very unlikely to affect an election (except, perhaps, for dog catcher in a sparsely populated rural county).

    What can affect the election of a state representative or senator, however, IS a malfunctioning hard drive in the most highly populated section of town that takes three months from which to “recover the data.” Here in my southern Bible Belt city full of religio-crazies who are taking over the Republican Party, and our state legislature, this is a concern for me. Unfortunately no one seems the least bit interested in nipping that in the bud.

  • Anonymous

    The requirement to prove you were born in the U.S. has not been in effect for very long, at all. I never had a copy of my birth certificate and was never asked for one (except when I got my SS card at age 17, when I got my first job) until I was around 55 or 60 years old. Given that SS cards are now issued AT BIRTH, and that they have always been required to obtain one even before that) there is NO GOOD REASON that a SS card should not suffice as a voter ID, along with proof of residence, etc. There is NO EXCUSE for giving people a paper “card” and requiring that they not have it laminated as an SS card.

    Even “picture” ID on drivers’ licenses are relatively new thing — the age of instant photographs and then digital even-more-instant photographs has made that possible. There is NO good reason for these restrictive laws other than to prevent certain demographics from voting — and everybody KNOWS that!

  • Richard Frost

    There has been a lot of commentary about the need to photo ID voters. The overwhelming slant is that those without photo ID are being disenfranchised and the voter fraud is essentially non-existent. The claim the 10% of voters do not have photo ID is never questioned. Currently it’s hard to believe that ANYONE can function in our society without photo ID. How does the 10% cash a check, drive a car, visit a doctor, board an commercial airplane or any of the numerous other requests, both public and private, the occur regularly?

    What is never ask is, do you believe that there are eligibility requirements for voters? Assuming that YES is the answer the next question would be what method should be used to determine if all voters are eligible. For those that answer NO please return to your country of origin.

  • Richard Frost

    Two masters? Let me guess, you didn’t show up for English 101.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/YPWNZGS3IKXT2CCOAYW7ZQ7LBQ Outraged

    great points. when you have middle-class and wealthy ‘journalists’ and pundits spouting off about this stuff, remember: they’d don’t have a CLUE.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/YPWNZGS3IKXT2CCOAYW7ZQ7LBQ Outraged

    true, true

  • Anonymous

    It is easy for an arrogont person to dismiss everything that someone says just because their grammer is incorrect or their spelling is wrong. Bringing attention to someone elses shortcomings does not make you a better person, in my eyes it makes you less of a person. ( this statement is probaly grammatically incorrect so you will just attack me for that)

  • Anonymous

    This is a stupid video, full of LIES and nothing but Marxist propagandist. If these people are too stupid to get ID then they do not deserve to vote. If we do not have HONEST ELECTIONS then we do not have a country. You cannot Fly or do a lot of things without an ID. This is ALL ABOUT DEMOCRATS RIGGING ELECTIONS.

  • Anonymous

    Those against Voter ID is nothing but HELPING DEMOCRATS STEAL ELECTIONS.

  • Anonymous

    You are just another bleeding heart liberal that has no concept of FAIR ELECTIONS. The video is a lie, Marxist Propaganda designed to get stupid people to allow ILLEGAL TO VOTE SO DEMOCRATS CAN STEAL ELECTIONS.

  • Anonymous

    If they are too stupid to get ID after all these years, they should not be voting. Actually this is a straw man argument to turn America into a Banana Republic so that the Democrats can steal elections. When illegal vote they steal YOUR VOTE.

  • Anonymous

    My motherwas not born in the US. She never had to show any ID to vote. She was born in early 1900′s

  • Anonymous

    NO ONE IS DEPRIVING ANY CITIZEN TO VOTE. This is about Democrats wanting to rig elections, but get more illegals voting because American Citizens will not vote for the Marxist in the White House. With not voter ID we are not much better than a Banana Republic. Have you ever stood up for PRO AMERICAN IDEALS? Also genus the right to vote is not in the US Constitution.

  • Anonymous

    You have been listening to Fox new too long. Voter Fraud is not a problem

  • Richard Frost


    There was no intent to dismiss anything that was said. My point was that anyone with two masters should be capable of displaying writing skills above and beyond those of a 6th grader. I an 80 years old and if the post in question had been submitted in my 6th grade class it would have resulted in a whack across my knuckles with a wooden ruler.

    Please note that, as I see it, your comments were clear and concise.

    I hope you enjoyed your weekend.

  • Fairdeal

    Huh? Proper registration ONLYbhas worked for ages so to suddenly add new hurdles to our right to vote is not right, especially if it effects poor, elderly or anyone else who has challenges. We are Americans and get to vote—no funny business-

  • Anonymous

    Actually there is NO US Constitutional right to vote. Why the Obama is attacking these laws, HE is also attacking Ohio trying to make it easier for Military to vote. Where is your outrage about the attack on our Military’s right to vote? All of a sudden voting is not so sacred when it involves our military, those that put their lives on the line for our country.

  • FairdealLynnewrites

    What do you mean?

  • Fairdeal

    what are you talking about? The right to vote is anything but Marxist- check your history, please.

  • Fairdeal

    Not quite- Banana republic starts when poor people lose their rights- remember -this by the people, of the people and for the people—not just the people who can manage wheels and a day off to get some goofy government ID…jeez, I would think the libertarians in the crowd would much prefer standing up to people’s rights to NOT have a tracking device for the gov’t if they don’t need it. Leave grandma and the poor folks alone and let them vote by merely registering properly. It still works .. The fraud is fake…rarely happens.

  • Anonymous

    There is no right to vote in the Constitution. This is a straw man argument to allow illegal to vote. And NO country can last if illegals vote, it allows dishonest Dems to rig the election.

  • Fairdeal

    Hmmmm…seems like Tea Party folks should be for voter freedom—-if they truly stand for real historical freedom ala The fathers of our Country

  • Patriot

    Voter nullification  is a fundamental desecration of the American Constitution.

  • Patriot

    Blowing up voters the Taliban’s way.
    Shooting voters Al-Qaeda’s way.
    Firing opposition voters is the Hugo Chaves way.
    Rigging votes is the Putin way. 
    Jailing opposition voters is the Iranian way.
    Clearly disenfranchising voters the Republican way.
    WInning voters  hearts and minds
                                 IS THE AMERICAN WAY.

  • Patriot

    Vote well….the problem with American politics is not the color of a man’s skin, it is poorly informed voters. Fox zombies, S. Pac propaganda dupes and racist are the true threat to this country. They look for someone to blame for their plight when the real culprit is in their mirror. The most important thing a patriot can do for his country is first, support the military and second, be an informed voter without prejudice.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ron.myers.100 Ron Myers

    I wonder what amount of research was done by the backers of the lobbyists that convinced the legislators sponsoring the bill requiring a picture ID. My cynical assessment was that if there was any research, that it showed that the majority of those registered voters that did not have and could not easily obtain a picture ID were people that did not support them.

  • Nathan D.

    so… felons don’t get taxed… but we still ge taxed… may want to rethink your position… I know we all hate taxes… my thought is the super rich sould pay more taxes and I should pay less… but don’t tell a republican that… they’ll say that I’ll stop job growth

  • jlese

    Shame on you Pennsylvania for disenfranchising these voters
    jeanne lese
    former Pennsylvanian

  • http://www.facebook.com/charliemoney3 Carlos Leal

    Something is very wrong; Obama’s Administration is sueing so Active Military Troops can’t vote but on the other hand Obama wants all these Non-ID people to be allow to Vote; The ‘ Fix ‘ is obvious….only a very stupid moron could not see what Obama is trying to do .

  • http://www.facebook.com/charliemoney3 Carlos Leal

    Also, are we not tired of listening to Bill Moyers Anti-Christian Bull Shi*?

  • AJayne

    Totally untrue. The Ohio legislature made the last three days of early voting for military only, and the Obama campaign wants it open to everyone. That doesn’t inhibit the military. It does enable the citizenry in general.

  • tanner

    The President’s lawsuit is to allow ALL Ohio residents to be able to vote absentee or early vote for the same number of days as the absentee Military vote. He is not attacking the Military’s right to vote. Read the whole thing OR change the station from Fox.

  • sue

    It would be Arrogant… not arrogont

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.grammer1 Michael Grammer

    this is nothing but a poll tax my lord i thought bull connor was dead

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.grammer1 Michael Grammer

    get off fox man and look for yourself

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.grammer1 Michael Grammer

    get off fox man and read study look for youself

  • http://www.facebook.com/fred.white.355 Fred White

    Need a birth certificate to show that you ARE A CITIZEN AND HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE!

  • Laura

    I very much agree that substance is more important than style, but if I can t decode a sentence — as in the above post — I skip it.

  • James Fagan

    I can not even believe this is a question with a reported 20 million illegal aliens living rather openly in this country. Do you imagine that any number one to 20 million Americans could go to either Canada or Mexico and with no ID vote for there respective Presidents?? There is no reason a person in this country could not have the simplest of documents per-cured and available in any 2 or 4 year period between national elections. None.

  • stumblebunny

    I went to get a savings card at Stop and Shop and Big Y (supermarkets) and they now require I give them my state issued ID to get a card. When did that start? My information is none of their business. So now in order to get savings at their stores I would have to be subjected to them compiling statistics on me and doing whatever else they do??? Big brother is here!!

  • Patriot

    Everybody knows Fox is rightwing television masquerading as news, but like racism, nobody really wants to admit it.

  • Patriot

    ~Fraud by individual voters is both irrational and extremely rare. Most citizens who take the time to vote offer their legitimate signatures and sworn oaths with the gravitas that this hard-won civic right deserves. Even for the few who view voting merely as a means to an end, however, voter fraud is a singularly foolish way to attempt to win an election. Each act of voter fraud risks five years in prison and a $10,000 fine – but yields at most one incremental vote. The single vote is simply not worth the price.

    Because voter fraud is essentially irrational, it is not surprising that no credible evidence suggests a voter fraud epidemic. There is no documented wave or trend of individuals voting multiple times, voting as someone else, or voting despite knowing that they are ineligible. Indeed, evidence from the microscopically scrutinized 2004 gubernatorial election in Washington State actually reveals just the opposite: though voter fraud does happen, it happens approximately 0.0009% of the time. The similarly closely-analyzed 2004 election in Ohio revealed a voter fraud rate of 0.00004%. National Weather Service data shows that Americans are struck and killed by lightning about as often.~

    Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law.

  • Dan On Route 66

    All states allow for early voting; all you have to do is request that a ballot be mailed to you. That way, you don’t have to stand in line on Election Day.

  • Tinker’swife

    You, Sir, are distracting from the conversation, off topic and nit picky.. if that is a word. The writer makes a good point: getting the id is not as easy as those trying to suppress the vote claim.

  • http://edsaves77.wordpress.com Eddie Bryan

    I’ve been waiting over a month to get a birth certificate from NYC here in Florida. I am homeless and use the services of an Episcopal Church. Actually, I got where I was born wrong and misspelled my mother’s maiden name. Could that be the problem, really?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dana-Tierney/1314206952 Dana Tierney

    tanner is correct. Check Snopes before making such statements.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dana-Tierney/1314206952 Dana Tierney

    He didn’t say they were in English, dude. Or that English was his first language. Do you have any answer to what he is actually saying? Didn’t think so. Most people who nitpick on grammar do not.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dana-Tierney/1314206952 Dana Tierney

    Are you serious? We should fingerprint everyone? You’re joking, right?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=12451337 Brad Ashburn

    Voter fraud is a straw man issue falsely drummed up to overcome the GOP’s inability to compete in fair and open elections – especially among the very groups these laws (across the nation – suspicious??) target. The true problems, if you want to discuss real electoral issues are the easily hacked, secret, unaccountable electronic voting machines which take the counting of votes away from us and place it behind closed, corporate doors. I guess we are just supposed to “trust them” although he (or she) who counts the votes has the power. The other electoral threat is the constant gerrymandering of districts by both parties. This awful tradition is one of the main culprits behind our pathetic, entrenched, ideologically polarized Congress. Do your own research and make some noise. Poor Democrats are only a problem to rich Republicans and their duped supporters.

  • cmp

    it’s been like that since the savings cards began

  • cmp

    so Bush did win fair and square the second time, no voter fraud as the democrats accused?

  • cmp

    it’s just hard to believe someone who claims to have 2 masters, but can’t put a sentence together

  • cmp

    why not?

  • http://www.facebook.com/sage.mccarey Sage McCarey

    Here in Georgia they sign you up for a voter card in front of the grocery store. In the past one did not have to have a birth certificate or anything to get a voter’s card.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dennis-Waite/638081117 Dennis Waite

    this is the finial straw …when our right to Vote is taken away by the Large corporations through the tea Party and Republicans ..its time for this nation to stop by any means necessary those who would oppose the freedom and our legal right provided by the US constitution and the Bill of Rights : this nation should look very carefully at any Republican running for office…they are the enemy -and they the – republican party of Corporations-are our most dangerous threat to all & every American: we need to ” OCCUPY” The voting Booth !!!! and stop this take over – and replace with Progressive DEMS………….

  • momof3ddh

    You do pay less taxes than the rich…maybe we should get the 50% that don’t pay any taxes to pay their share and leave the rich alone so they have the freedom to hire and pay a good wage.

  • momof3ddh

    Ok, so Fox may be rightwing, but all other news media is leftwing masquerading as news and your point?

  • B Armstrong

    In recent news there has been 3 cases of voter fraud that I have read about. Guess what? They were all Democrats.

  • fedup

    Voter ID laws are wrong. Point blank period. I wish people were honest. If you are a Republican, and you support this, just say you want to limit potential democrats from voting. I don’t agree with it, but I would respect that your being honest. There isn’t a voting abuse problem in this country. The system is being manipulated to serve very dishonest people. And do we really want them running our country? This is the era were all need to unite and stop all the nonsense. People’s lives are seriously affected by all the lies and games.

  • Mardi McKerrow

    I checked the Pennsylvania website for a photo i.d. and it only requires a Social Security card…not a Birth Certificate???

  • Anonymous

    So sacred that the US, like every other country, should protect the right to vote by requiring some proof that you’re allowed to vote.

    To do otherwise takes away any sanctity whatsoever.

  • http://www.facebook.com/linda.byrd.355 Linda Byrd

    Voting is not a right it is a privilege. If you don’t follow the laws than you can’t vote. I read the PA Id voting laws. It sounds like you maybe undocumented and until you get your documentation than you have no privilege to vote. We as Americans, naturalized or native born can vote because we either were born here or acquired legal documentation. If you have done all that and you still can’t get an ID, It sounds like we don’t have the whole story about these women. Can you vote in another country without ID? Which countries can vote without ID?

  • Q

    Wow – Do you believe illegals are voting now? Are poor people without birth certificates (through no fault of their own) illegals?

  • Patricia M

    How many cases of actual voter fraud can be documented? Last I read the Dept. of Justice had found 26 cases over 3 years. This is a made-up problem….a smokescreen. I have worked in the polls in two different MI counties for over 30 years and never encountered one. A few voters in the wrong precinct was the only concern to be addressed. Are we really going to keep thousands, possibly millions from voting because of a bunch of sore losers? Is this the American Way??? Speak out!!!
    In our state, there was one Rep. representative, or his workesr/volunteers, who falsified signatures on petitions for at least 5 years, Others who conspired to place an unknown candidate on the ballot to prevent a write-in….much more fraud in the political arena than by the voters. Plus, due to a supreme court ruling we have unknown millionairs, from who knows where, (no picture ID required) buying our legislators with misleading TV ads. I ask, where is the real problem……….forget the almost nonexistant fraud smokestream and address the real issues. 26 voters in all the United States in 3 years……oh yea, a real problem.

  • David Kerlick

    Only if you are a white male billionaire. The rest of us are here to fight wars, kill and die for their business interest, and NO BACK TALK!

  • David Kerlick

    WRONG WRONG WRONG. It is a foundation of democracy, not banana republic tea-fascist dictatorship!

  • Hal

    If that’s what you think the rich do when their tax burden decreases, you’re an idiot. Why do you think joblessness is such a problem during such a prosperous time for business?

  • Bob

    How do people in this situation buy alcohol or board airplanes?

  • Anonymous

    I’m commenting quite late, but would appreciate clarification. I don’t see the photo ID requirement in PA’s birth certificate process. http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/birth_certificates/14121

  • Keepitreal

    Hiding behind words, dude how many bruises do you have because people bump into you, because they can see right through you. Keep it real you’re a racist. Your just as illegal as the rest of us. As long as your within the US territory 1 man, 1 vote, if you live and work here. Illegals sounds KKK to me man.

  • Ben Johnson

    Gosh, “a retired nurse working toward a culinary degree.” No student ID? Nobody verified her identity or school record as a requirement for admission to the culinary school? How does the school know the person who completed the courses is the person whose name appears on the Diploma/Certificate? Nobody asks her for ID at the bank where she receives her nurse’s pension (retirement) checks? Or when she writes checks or uses a debit card from the bank account? Where in the United States does that happen?
    And a mother of four (adults, I assume, as she has four grandchildren) and “community organizer” can’t get one of her four grown children to bring her to her local courthouse to get things straightened out? Her “community organizer” skills aren’t of any help in getting someone from the community to assist her in obtaining an ID?
    When you consider that verification of identity is necessary to receive unemployment benefits, WIC, food stamps, welfare, or medical assistance, the whole argument that the poor can’t afford ID falls apart.

  • http://www.facebook.com/raven.sarver Ravenna Lea Sarver

    Very good point! I agree. If a lot of people brought up this point, the law would probably be zapped – fast!

  • http://www.facebook.com/jerry.hartle.9 Jerry Hartle

    Seriously? Almost all people in the bracket who “don’t pay taxes” as you so eloquently put have either paid taxes their whole lives because they are elderly, or they will pay more than their fair share of taxes in the future because they are college students. A small percentage are unemployed, but have paid taxes in the past, and will pay once they are employed again. Stay at home moms are also in the percentage who do not pay taxes. Seriously, use your brain.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jerry.hartle.9 Jerry Hartle

    Also, for your information the rich do not create jobs in the way you think they do. They ship jobs overseas to cut costs and increase profits, and they also replace good, hard workers with computers. Trickle down economics does not work. The job of a person who runs a business is to create profits for that company no matter what the cost is to middle class families.

  • Anonymous

    Except that you’re totally incorrect. There are hundreds of thousands of registered voters without ID now. Clearly, it happens, and these people are now disenfranchised. Your denial of it does not change the math.

    There are a myriad of explicable scenarios… In the case of a spouse, the other partner’s ID suffices for all basic ID needs. Check cashing establishments produce their own ID. Banks, government agencies, and employers are not required to be a valid citizen, and millions get along fine without any of these things.

    You are not required to have valid ID to be a citizen here in the US. You *are* required to be permitted to vote without barriers.

  • Anonymous

    In most cases, they don’t. As for alcohol, it’s unlikely for the elderly to get carded. In the case of air travel – again these are poor and elderly folks for the most part…

  • Anonymous

    We do have the whole story. They have valid ID, just not a photo ID. They have valid voter registration cards, and have for years. What they don’t have is a birth certificate.

    If it’s not a right, explain this bit of legislation? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act

  • Anonymous

    Illegals voting is a non-issue. They are not registered voters. Your point is based in paranoia and misinformation.

  • Anonymous

    If by “do anything” you mean fight for the right of everyone to vote in this case, then you are correct. I won’t defend democrats, but this ploy is clear vote nullification where Republicans are struggling.

  • Anonymous

    Passing new government-issued ID requirement legislation just prior to an election is definitely a ploy to stifle voting. The issuers cannot handle the influx of ID requests before the election. If this is going to be a requirement, it should not be for this election.

  • Shirley

    This video is proof fraud does go on at the poles, illegal are voting and we need a way to make sure the person voting is the person that’s registered. It’s not to stop people from voting, it’s to make sure no one else tàkes your vote before you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-DePriest/1844166575 Steven DePriest

    Bull Connor the Democrat??

  • peacewoman

    Actually it is in the Constitution – every citizen has the right to vote. Walter Mondale sign the amendment in the 60s’.

  • karl

    Why to you need a photo id to drive or get a visa card but not to vote? The Constitution gives the states the power,with the exception of poll tax, to set up rules for voting.How many of us would take a check from someone we did not know without seeing some photo ID?

  • http://www.facebook.com/edward.aviles.50 Ed Aviles

    Land of the free . . .

  • Anonymous

    Repugs target poor democrats with this ID law. The truth of this statement was made clear to me when I saw repugs crowing over it at some convention. States who require ID’s should provide ID’s without cost and should be severely penalized if this results in keeping citizens from the polls.

  • Anonymous

    Seems to me ID was required at the DNC

  • Anonymous

    1, voting is a constitutionally protected fundamental right, cashing checks or driving is not. 2, did you read the article about the difficulties millions of seniors are likely to experience, or do you just not care?

  • Anonymous

    bob, poor inner city dwellers have never been on a plane.

  • Anonymous

    “Voting is not a right it is a privilege.”

    I beg your pardon?? I don’t think you know what a right is.

  • Anonymous

    no way, 3 whole cases? let’s see, last election 130 million people voted, so that’s a HUGE impact!

  • PCLoadLetter

    owning a gun is a constitutionally protected right and requires an ID

  • PCLoadLetter

    The constitution explicitly states that the rights of the citizens of the United States to vote are protected.

    In the modern world it is the duty of the people to verify that voters are the citizens of the United States.

  • Anonymous

    It’s is also our duty, then, to make that ID absolutely free, completely easy to get, and remove any barriers. Anything else is a poll tax.

  • Steve Franklin

    Don’t care. Get an ID. What a baby.

  • GlockSnatcher

    And especially the RNC!

  • GlockSnatcher

    When financial transactions are expressions of our citizenship and inalienable rights, we can answer your naiive questions.

  • GlockSnatcher

    No it doesn’t is many situations. But the 2nd Amendment also says “well-regulated militia”.

  • GlockSnatcher

    I suspect the “do not care” part. That some may not be able to vote is not important to many RWNJs

  • Anonymous

    You actually know “hundreds of thousands of registered voters without ID”? So did Acorn!

  • Keldon McFarland

    Exactly. That’s why this whole backlash to voter ID laws is bogus. How does a person without an ID get medical care, find employment, lease an apt.? Elderly people do go to doctors. How can they not have an ID?

  • Alaina Toadpipe

    Voting rights are in the constitution. Driving is not. Nor is getting a credit card.

    If you wanted to compare it to needing ID to get a gun (at least apples to apples in regard to what is provided to us as a guarantee by our Constitution), that would make more sense.

    HOWEVER, I don’t remember the last time someone took out an entire school armed with a box full of ballots.

    More importantly… only ONE Amendment addresses gun ownership. FOUR address our right to vote and how it will NOT be infringed.

  • Alaina Toadpipe

    Fraud goes on at the polls?

    Yes, some does. But according to the decade long study started under the Bush administration, of hundreds of millions of votes, only .00000013% were in person voter fraud (aka, the only kind that ID would prevent).

    In short… even if the problem was 1000 times worse than it really is, it would still be only .00013% fraud. Or, in no way able to change the outcome of any elections.

  • Tom Davis

    So, lets clean up some of the propaganda here.

    1. In every state in the United States, with the exception of private sales, you must provide a valid photo ID to purchase a gun. Regardless of the merchants political lean, no gun store owner would even entertain the notion of selling a weapon without doing a background check – which requires a government issued ID. Gun ownership is a right, just as is voting is a right, yet no ID is required to vote. (And a vote is potentially far more deadly than any weapon)

    2. There are some citizens in the United States who, for whatever reason, don’t have a government issued ID. As some of our states are now requiring ID to vote, it has become the responsibility of the state to make the process of obtaining an ID easy and inexpensive – if not free – for these citizens. They have. Sworn statements from citizens of good character, and who DO have an ID is sufficient to obtain a state issued ID in most cases.

    2a. There actually aren’t that many American Citizens per capita, who don’t have, or cannot easily obtain, a state issued photo ID. And of this relatively small segment of the population, most don’t vote. Almost half of ID’d Americans don’t even vote: Estimates in the 2012 election had only a 58.2% turnout.

    - Side note: I don’t think this is right personally. I believe voting isn’t a right, it is a moral, civic duty and the responsibility of EVERY citizen of legal age to vote.

    3. Voter fraud isn’t a myth. In the 2012 election, some cities had over 100% voter turnout. Not exactly, OVER 100%. This, in itself proves that fraudulent votes were cast, particularly when roughly half of Americans DON’T VOTE.

    4. At some point, you will need to show ID in order to cash a check. Direct deposit? ATM deposits? You need an ID to open the bank account.

    4a. Average, ordinary Americans must show ID for so many seemingly mundane, ordinary things that it would stretch the bounds of reality to expect a person could survive in our society without at least some form of ID.

    Think about it: this is a cash and carry person with no personal residence nor utilities, no child having ever been registered into public school, no motor vehicle, who has never purchased ANY regulated item (weapon, tobacco, alcohol, prescriptions, etc), doesn’t hunt or fish and who has likely never seen the inside of a doctors office. Unless all these things, and a host of other activities, were done illegally that is. And if a person is willing to “stretch” truth or bend a law or two, how devastated do you think they would be to say… vote twice for a quick $20 spot?

    2 morals of the story: 1) give citizens an ID already and 2) it ain’t that hard to do the right thing. Voter ID is the right thing to do.