Who Doesn’t Have Photo ID?

August 2, 2012

In this week’s broadcast, representatives from the Brennan Center for Justice rebut claims that getting voter ID is easy and “free” for anyone who needs it.

Now, meet two Philadelphia women at serious risk of losing their rights to vote due to Pennsylvania’s strict new voter ID laws: Laila Stones, a retired nurse working towards a culinary degree; and Ana Gonzalez, a community organizer, mother of four and grandmother of twelve. These women, and many like them, are stuck in a real-life Catch 22: You need a birth certificate to get a government-issued photo ID, but you need a photo ID to get a birth certificate. Local activists also explain the difficulty in getting such IDs.

Both Stones and Gonzalez were witnesses in the ACLU’s case against the new voter ID laws. An injunction blocking the rules may be their best hope for expressing their fundamental rights as citizens this November.

Lauren Feeney, producer/editor; Cameron Hickey, camera

The Fight to Vote

Learn about your own state requirements, make sure you yourself are prepared to vote, and help spread the word through the Election Protection website or via the hotline at: 1-866-OUR-VOTE (1-866-687-8683).

If you live in the Philadelphia area, get all the information you need to ensure your voting rights from the Committee of Seventy's website. You can also volunteer to help others prepare to vote in November.

To learn more about the case brought by the ACLU of Pennsylvania, Advancement Project, Public Interest Law Center of Philadelphia, and Arnold & Porter, visit the ACLU's blog.

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  • cbuchh48

    These are the targets of the GOP’s voter ID laws. They’re winning any way they can.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002177860046 Ann J. Pace

    This is a totally outrageous, grossly unfair, and unpatriotic situation. As a native, I used to be proud of Pennsylvania, but who are these fools who want to destroy our democracy. These good people (shown here) MUST be allowed to vote.

  • Cathy A.

    Can’t they argue against these restrictive voting laws on the basis of no taxation without representation? If these people are now legally unable to vote, shouldn’t they also be free of taxation?

  • plcockrell

    The catch 22 is caused by the Anti-terrorism laws that passed to be able to block possible terrorists from getting IDs. Our state requires either an ID or a voter’s registration card. The registration card can be obtained by going to the clerk’s office and proving residence. It sounds to me like Pennsylvania needs to get something coordinated.

  • Rob

    I’m curious how a woman went through her entire career as a nurse, and enrolled in a culinary school, without an ID. This smells fishy to me.

  • David Kerlick

    “Voter ID passed, Pennsylvania for Romney. Check”

  • Betty S.

    How old are you? I’m not dead yet, but when I registered to vote the printed application had a very subtle “trick” to it that you’d have to be alert for to notice. Thankfully, the registrar lived next door to us and coached me carefully saying things like “read the instructions thoroughly, take your time, etc., etc.” I won’t mention the state, but it is one listed as “swing” these days. This woman no doubt has ID, but maybe not one mtg the rigid criteria set forth.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Catherine-Maxwell/100001432131219 Catherine Maxwell

    Seems like perfect logic. Someone should take that ball and run with it!

  • http://tiny.cc/ewcollins Eliot W. Collins

    The one woman that I know who was delivered by a midwife, was born in North Carolina and is now in her 70′s. She told me that getting her birth certificate was no problem at all. Others may have had different experiences.

  • Anonymous

    I actually agree. We had to have either a state ID or valid drivers license to register for school. I know my son had to have the same to register for culinary school as well.

  • http://www.facebook.com/71Goldtop Garry Barrett

    oh just stop it. this is utter BS. there is voter fraud and everybody knows it! it’s been proven! get a valid photo
    ID or STFU!

  • http://www.facebook.com/jackbowsky Jack Bowsky

    Changed driver licencure for me and care with reg. title and tags. With two masters degree’s it took me twice that law allow in this state with $80.00 plus in fees for BC. The SS card not medicare even though you would have to have SS to get it. Along with inspection life was hell putting everything toget and the old stuff was some where in 13 tones of items without me marking some boxes right I would guess. Once when working not to long ago I had a vietnamese boat kid who was mentally ill. The bus driver on his route demand photo ID with his monthy pass. This never never happens even though a rule say it can. The driver hated asians because of his tour of duty in the war. I stood day after day in line trying to help this kid and between his lost papers and DMV I had to give up. Lost it and started screaming after weeks “can’t you see this human being is alive and in front of you “didn’t matter” he could not get mental health help because he could not ride bus there nor get id or papers to prove he was real.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=705525887 Sarah Ferrell

    It sounds like some people who commented have not watched the video. Please do. All sorts of these irregularities exist. There are little old ladies in tiny towns who have voted in the same place for 70 years who cannot get their birth certificates–because they do not exist. One lady I saw–who is a plaintiff in one of the cases, I believe–is black and there is no certificate of her birth. Apparently, we were not as scrupulous as we might have been about recording the births of black girl babies at the beginning of the 20th century, especially in the South. A guy I know who lives in Salt Lake City, who has his birth certificate, a car, and a job that allows time off for running errands, cannot believe that this is a real problem. It is amazing how stuck in our own circumstances we can get.

    Even if people have what they need to get the ID, sometimes it comes down to things like being able to get the right day off work to go get it. Transportation can be a problem. And then there are the voters who will try to vote not knowing they do not have the right ID, having assumed that because they have always voted, they were not affected by the new laws. They probably won’t end up being allowed to vote!

    These are the probems poor Americans face–middle class people can sometimes be so insulated from how the other half lives that they cannot fathom the idea that anyone actually lives like that. Lots of things might be different if they could. One of the cries you hear is that you have to have ID to fly. Seriously? That is definitely a situation where there is a major disconnect. (Poorer people tend not to fly a whole awful lot, in case you aren’t sure what I mean.)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=705525887 Sarah Ferrell

    Actually, the people making these new laws probably count on (largely white) voters’ disbelief that these difficulties acquiring the new IDs are real problems. And they are undoubtedly aware that it is minorities and poor people who have more of these problems, because they are the ones who vote for Democrats. It is a coordinated attack by Republicans to shave off voters in states the president won narrowly in 2008.

  • BunnyOle

    these laws are NOT restrictive. I argue that any fat lazy person who can’t be bothered to obtain an I.D. (and please explain HOW THEY LIVE – because when I turned 18 all of 30 years ago I discovered I couldn’t do ANYTHING without I.D. and the lady at the BANK told me where to go to get one – and it cost almost NOTHING.

    If the govt assumes all people can ‘afford’ health insurance, THEN I FEEL CERTAIN THEY ASSUME ALL PEOPLE CAN AFFORD $10 TO GET AN I.D.

    ALSO THE MAJORITY OF ALL STATES REQUIRING PHOTO ID ARE OFFERING ‘FREE VOTER ID CARDS’ TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS ONE. IF YOU CAN GET OUT TO VOTE, YOU CAN GET OUT TO OBTAIN THE “FREE I.D. FOR LAZY PIGS”

  • BunnyOle

    Yeah it’s so unfair that illegal aliens won’t be able to vote now.

  • BunnyOle

    Yeah, and all the dead democrats who still vote, along with the FELONS, who have not received their right to vote back yet, and who are encouraged to vote by people like AL FRANKEN, THATS REALLY FAIR.

    OR HOW ABOUT MY HOME TOWN, MEMPHIS? A black 16 year old boy came on the news to say how he was encouraged to register to vote by democratic ‘acorn’ people – when he protested he was only 16, they said it didn’t matter. ON TELEVISION he showed the VOTER REGISTRATION CARD HE RECEIVED THAT SAID HE WAS 23 YEARS OLD.
    LESSADOLLA Sowers in Tupelo Mississippi voted TEN TIMES for OBAMA – a former NAACP executive, sentenced to one year for each vote.
    NOW – WHO IS IT WHO TRIES TO WIN ANY WAY THEY CAN??

  • BunnyOle

    what ‘RIGID’ criteria?? Why are you rambling about “swing” – you don’t make any sense what-so-ever. You can’t even open a BANK ACCOUNT without I.D. – you cannot cash a check, get on welfare, file for unemployment, apply for and receive health insurance – YOU CAN’T EVEN OBTAIN A JOB without the proper paperwork required for the I-9 identification documentation required by the U.S. govt as proof of citizenship.

    You might not ‘be dead yet’ but you sound like you have dementia.

  • BunnyOle

    I am 48, when I was 18 and got a job, I found out very quickly that I could not ‘exist’ without I.D. I didn’t drive, but, the nice lady at the bank told me exactly where to go and how to get LEGAL govt issued STATE ID.

    You can’t even cash your check or open a bank account without the SAME TYPES OF ID they are requiring for people to vote – so somebody needs to tell me how these ‘frauds’ manage to get by without ID ???

  • BunnyOle

    I have a hard time believing people like you are so stupid you don’t even realize how many illegal immigrants were and are voting when all they are required to show for I.D. is a phone bill with their name on it.

    with 30,000,000 illegals in the country, I don’t want them voting.

  • BunnyOle

    I agree – for god’s sake. What are these people trying to say now? That they don’t have a birth certificate because they were BLACK? WHAT A LIE. If anything it could be because they were born at home and nobody reported the birth – regardless of race, all people had birth certificates made in hospital.

    I feel QUITE CERTAIN that there would be any number of people within the govt agencies, the hospitals, what-ever who would be more than willing to help someone obtain a birth certificate.

    (Obama did it LOLLL wink wink) XD XD

  • BunnyOle

    MY PURSE GOT STOLEN and I had EVERYTHING In it because I was in the process of moving (normally didn’t carry my birth certificate with me)
    So I lost my original birth certificate, my ss card, my drivers license, EVERYTHING – I mean I had nothing, and this very same CATCH 22 came into play for me. Can’t get B.C. without ID, can’t get ID without B.C.

    WELL I STILL GOT IT TAKEN CARE OF, it’s called DETERMINATION, PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, ‘taking care of business’ – getting your ‘s h*t’ straight’, fulfilling the legal requirements of life in the U.S.A –

    I FILED A POLICE REPORT THAT ALL WAS STOLEN – WENT DOWN TO THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE PLACE – took just ‘whatever I had” that could possibly show that I was who I said I was
    – paycheck stubs, bank checks, old bank statements, utility bills, my lease, phone bills, credit card statements, car registration, HOW ABOUT A COPY OF YOUR 1099 or other tax documents you can get from your employer? HOW ABOUT AN AFFIDAVIT signed and notarized by your employer? DID YOU KNOW CHURCH BAPTISMAL RECORDS CAN ALSO BE USED – LEGALLY – TO HELP OBTAIN OTHER IDENTIFICATION??

    I took the bus downtown to the federal building – Spoke to the NICE LADIES WHO WORK DOWN there and GOT MY BIRTH CERTIFICATE IN 10 MINUTES !!
    If you WANT TO GET ONE, YOU CAN GET ONE. …PERIOD…
    If you want to be a lazy whining pathetic person talking about “I was born on the floor” as if that has ANY relevance WHAT-SO-EVER to anything – then just DON’T VOTE. How do you even have a job, a bank account, or even cash a check…SIMPLE ANSWER IS YOU CAN’T. (being born in the floor, sympathy ploy and definitely a lie…..why would a midwife throw her mama down on the floor like an animal to deliver a baby – and even if true, as if somehow that is the worst fate on earth, considering probably 80% of the babies on EARTH are born ‘on the floor’ in the dirt, on a thin blanket if they are lucky – take a look outside the U.S. – being delivered in a hospital is a LUXURY not the NORM – I held a still damp newborn in my arms while I was in Africa, before I realized the mother had just given birth shortly before – as I was wondering why she looked like she didn’t feel well then shocked to realize considering she just gave birth she looked AWESOME). A bunch of my cousins were born at home. I don’t want to hear that mess!
    #2 while working for a brokerage firm, I was able to directly request, without written permission from the ‘client’ AND RECEIVE copies of birth certificates, whenever I needed one to prove age of majority or any number of reasons one might require a B.C. as part of a file in a financial institution.

    YOU CANNOT – OPEN A BANK ACCT., CASH A CHECK, GET A JOB, LEASE AN APARTMENT, OBTAIN UTILITIES, APPLY FOR ANY GOVT SERVICES or AID (unemployment, welfare, food stamps, social security, etc. – and all disability social security checks are DIRECT DEPOSIT ONLY they no longer issue paper checks – so you HAVE to have a bank account and it HAS to have YOUR name on it) obtain car-life-or HEALTH insurance (how they gonna qualify for OBAMA CARE?) YOU CAN’T PICK UP CERTAIN PRESCRIPTION MEDS without valid I.D.

    FOR GOD’S SAKE these women have BEEN knowing about these problems FOR A VERY LONG TIME!! They have had plenty of time to get this taken care of, and their pathetic I CAN’T GET IT DONE (did they even TRY?? REALLY??? I don’t believe it – somebody told them OH you can’t get B.C. without I.D. or YOU CAN’T GET A B.C. – DIRT FLOOR LADY) and so they gave up IMMEDIATELY.

    THERE ARE WAYS – THERE ARE AVENUES – IT CAN BE DONE – PERIOD – THEY ARE PATHETIC LIARS AND LAZY TO THE CORE – PASSING RESPONSIBILITY ON TO OTHER PEOPLE FOR OBTAINING IDENTIFICATION BECAUSE OF THEIR CIRCUMSTANCES.

    THE NEW AMERICAN WAY – GIVE UP, BLAME SOMEBODY ELSE, DEMAND SOMEONE ELSE FIX IT OR MAKE IT “”"EASIER”"”

    WHEN I first started voting 30 years ago I was required to show I.D. – I THOUGHT IT WAS NORMAL.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HA4PEL6GZLLEOJTNPDGBFYE4J4 Charlie

    We have now heard from the A–holes on the right. Who as usual, have no idea what they’re talking about.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HA4PEL6GZLLEOJTNPDGBFYE4J4 Charlie

    Here we go again. More idiocy from the right. And you say we don’t make any sense. You lost any sense when you started watching Faux News.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HA4PEL6GZLLEOJTNPDGBFYE4J4 Charlie

    As usual, you’ve got your “facts” wrong. Probably got them from Faux News. If Faux News said it, it’s probably a lie.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HA4PEL6GZLLEOJTNPDGBFYE4J4 Charlie

    MOre BS from the idiocy balcony, Garry. Voter fraud has been proven to be a fallacy. Guess you too listen to Faux News.

  • Connie

    The lawyers for the State of Pennsylvania signed a stipulation before the trial started…there had been NO VOTER ID FRAUD IN PENNSYLVANIA! They didn’t want the fact there had been NO FRAUD brought up during the trial! They went with a different strategy….the legislatures can make a law…b/c they want to. Period. That is their argument.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dan.cole.777 Dan Cole

    280,000? Where did that number come from? The Democrats crack me up: they will do anything to win, and cry like babies when they lose.

  • Anonymous

    Too bad that Pennsylvania, home to Philadelphia, the city of brotherly love,
    the seat of history, and keeper of our beloved artifacts and historical buildings (The Liberty Bell, Independence Hall, Carpenters Hall, The Betsy Ross House, etc. etc.) has devolved into a state who would deprive people of their constitutional rights. One would expect Pennsylvania, because of their proud history, to be a leader for democracy rather than jumping on the garbage scow with states who want to deprive people of their right to vote. This action, like garbage, stinks.

  • Anonymous

    Right or left, Republican, Democrat or Independent, Conservative or Liberal, Meat eater or Vegetarian, pet lover or no – people’s right to vote – sacred.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tony.summers.566 Tony Summers

    Actually, you only need one form of identification to get a birth certificate as long as you have proof of address, usually a utility bill (gas, electric, etc.) A social security card is accepted as identification and that same bill is all that’s needed to obtain one. The department of motor vehicles requires three forms of I.D. and those same procured documents to obtain a non-driver identification card. If you start early, you can get them all in one day.

  • Patricia Elgee

    In FL, I always presented a driver’s license and thought nothing of it. However, No citizens should be denied the right to vote. If an ID is required, then there should be an office where citizens are assisted in getting a legal, photo ID FREE. Citizens should never have to pay for their right to vote. There should also be waiting time limit, because we all know how abusive the interminable wait for driver’s licneses and vehicle registrations can be on everyone.
    Truly this would be good for the country. The government should be able to account for every citizen. It would be good for the country to record this information, name, birth, social security, fingerprints. Although it will be a tremendous task to begin now, it should have been done long ago.
    So I guess I could agree with the ID requirement as long as it does not deny people the right to vote. I am almost smiling at this tactic to keep people from the polls. Try to take away a person’s religion or right to vote, and that person becomes Born Again and Model Citizen. Look Out.

  • http://twitter.com/memerider memerider

    It’s worse than people think. I was denied a driver’s license renewal and it took more than 2 months to reconstruct my life. Social Security had lost all of my records since the early 1970s and although I had the card they issued about 1971, they said it meant nothing. I had had a driver’s license since 1966.

  • http://www.facebook.com/thomas.fendley2 Thomas Fendley

    shoes on the other foot….voter fraud has been monopolized by the left…i know, i live in obama’s hometown….the cesspool of democratic corrupotion

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.munsey Michael Munsey

    This is a red herring. Requiring ID or birth certificate to register to vote is not new and is pretty much universal. The thing that is new is requiring ID to vote (not register to vote). How did these people even register to vote with no ID or birth certificate? Also, the veteran mentioned will have a DD Form 2 ID card which is valid ID for voting, he will not need a drivers license.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.munsey Michael Munsey

    What you should be doing is helping these people get a birth certificate if they never had one. For example, see
    http://www.ehow.com/how_7558540_birth-never-one-over-fifty.html

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.munsey Michael Munsey

    Don’t nurses have to do background checks in order to be licensed? She can get a license to practice nursing, but not a license to drive?

  • kmtominey44

    These laws and the law makers behind them are truly reprehensible. It would be useful for one of the shows to have an evening list of citizens whose voting rights are being challenged so everyone can know which politicians are trying to take away nana’s or Umpa’s vote. With help these folks could friend all of their relatives and friends and spread the word. a page out of Charlie Wilson’s playbook for making the jerks pay with their jobs.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.munsey Michael Munsey
  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christine-George/788189118 Christine George

    Because she lives in a large city she may never have gotten a license or even learned to drive. I would think she would use public transportation. I know many people who live in urban areas and don’t drive. They never have and never will.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christine-George/788189118 Christine George

    The laws for getting a birth certificate vary by state.

  • Northstar

    Folks, this looks like the exception rather than the rule. I think that the purpose is to cut down on fraud. My gosh, how do you function without a photo ID these days? The current practice of having folks who vote multiple time in multiple precincts (or using dead people’s alias’) needs to be nipped in the bud. If someone has a better option than a photo ID, I am willing to reconsider my position.

  • LMA

    The right to bear arms is feverously guarded and any attempt to surpress that fundamental right is met with swift and fierce opposiition. Yet, that very precious right to vote is being denied to the most vulnerable of the US population. If that same individual previously barred from voting, commited a crime or failed to pay his or her taxes–suddenly, it’d be likely that the penal/legal system would find little difficulty in identifying, and then assessing appropriate punishment to the accused legally “unidentified” person.

  • http://www.facebook.com/niles.nelson Niles Nelson

    The voter ID campaign by the Republican’ts seems like a natural
    progression from the Birthers argument against President Obama’s natural
    born citizenship.

    If they can’t make it stick on President Obama
    they’re trying to reduce his support among
    his less powerful, more rural, age disadvantaged (young and old) and
    financially disadvantaged supporters.

    Are Republican’ts not supposed to
    be the party about more Freedom and more Liberty?

  • Anonymous

    Well, if you provide evidence that there have been multiple voting and voting of the dead that has affected any election in modern times, I would be willing to consider that you have a valid argument.

    That type of “voting” fraud is extremely minimal — what would be known as “statistical outliers.”

    Election fraud, however — fraudulently counting or totaling vote counts by election officials or suppliers of the technology we now use for our elections — is probably having serious and deleterious effects on our Electoral College process for choosing our elected officials. Do you want to nip that in the bud? Too, late, for it is already in full flower, I fear.

    The voting frauds you mention were “nipped in the bud” a long time ago. And picture I.D. “issued by the state” (except those issued by the state for college students at state schools, of course) would not “nip” that anyway, for clever people. I’m not even clever, but I do happen to be in possession of my dead mother’s drivers’ license and my hair is gray too and we look very much alike. Maybe I can vote twice? Hmmmmmmm…. Oh, and I still have my old picture I.D. from when I was a Research Associate (employee, not student) at the state university. My states new voter I.D. law does allow that as a valid I.D., for NO GOOD REASON at all, because they were issued to all employees w/o proof of citizenship or residence. I might be able to get a third vote, even, if I think real hard. Even at that, such “fraud” would be very unlikely to affect an election (except, perhaps, for dog catcher in a sparsely populated rural county).

    What can affect the election of a state representative or senator, however, IS a malfunctioning hard drive in the most highly populated section of town that takes three months from which to “recover the data.” Here in my southern Bible Belt city full of religio-crazies who are taking over the Republican Party, and our state legislature, this is a concern for me. Unfortunately no one seems the least bit interested in nipping that in the bud.

  • Anonymous

    The requirement to prove you were born in the U.S. has not been in effect for very long, at all. I never had a copy of my birth certificate and was never asked for one (except when I got my SS card at age 17, when I got my first job) until I was around 55 or 60 years old. Given that SS cards are now issued AT BIRTH, and that they have always been required to obtain one even before that) there is NO GOOD REASON that a SS card should not suffice as a voter ID, along with proof of residence, etc. There is NO EXCUSE for giving people a paper “card” and requiring that they not have it laminated as an SS card.

    Even “picture” ID on drivers’ licenses are relatively new thing — the age of instant photographs and then digital even-more-instant photographs has made that possible. There is NO good reason for these restrictive laws other than to prevent certain demographics from voting — and everybody KNOWS that!

  • Richard Frost

    There has been a lot of commentary about the need to photo ID voters. The overwhelming slant is that those without photo ID are being disenfranchised and the voter fraud is essentially non-existent. The claim the 10% of voters do not have photo ID is never questioned. Currently it’s hard to believe that ANYONE can function in our society without photo ID. How does the 10% cash a check, drive a car, visit a doctor, board an commercial airplane or any of the numerous other requests, both public and private, the occur regularly?

    What is never ask is, do you believe that there are eligibility requirements for voters? Assuming that YES is the answer the next question would be what method should be used to determine if all voters are eligible. For those that answer NO please return to your country of origin.

  • Richard Frost

    Jack,
    Two masters? Let me guess, you didn’t show up for English 101.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/YPWNZGS3IKXT2CCOAYW7ZQ7LBQ Outraged

    great points. when you have middle-class and wealthy ‘journalists’ and pundits spouting off about this stuff, remember: they’d don’t have a CLUE.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/YPWNZGS3IKXT2CCOAYW7ZQ7LBQ Outraged

    true, true

  • Anonymous

    It is easy for an arrogont person to dismiss everything that someone says just because their grammer is incorrect or their spelling is wrong. Bringing attention to someone elses shortcomings does not make you a better person, in my eyes it makes you less of a person. ( this statement is probaly grammatically incorrect so you will just attack me for that)

  • Anonymous

    This is a stupid video, full of LIES and nothing but Marxist propagandist. If these people are too stupid to get ID then they do not deserve to vote. If we do not have HONEST ELECTIONS then we do not have a country. You cannot Fly or do a lot of things without an ID. This is ALL ABOUT DEMOCRATS RIGGING ELECTIONS.

  • Anonymous

    Those against Voter ID is nothing but HELPING DEMOCRATS STEAL ELECTIONS.

  • Anonymous

    You are just another bleeding heart liberal that has no concept of FAIR ELECTIONS. The video is a lie, Marxist Propaganda designed to get stupid people to allow ILLEGAL TO VOTE SO DEMOCRATS CAN STEAL ELECTIONS.

  • Anonymous

    If they are too stupid to get ID after all these years, they should not be voting. Actually this is a straw man argument to turn America into a Banana Republic so that the Democrats can steal elections. When illegal vote they steal YOUR VOTE.

  • Anonymous

    My motherwas not born in the US. She never had to show any ID to vote. She was born in early 1900′s

  • Anonymous

    NO ONE IS DEPRIVING ANY CITIZEN TO VOTE. This is about Democrats wanting to rig elections, but get more illegals voting because American Citizens will not vote for the Marxist in the White House. With not voter ID we are not much better than a Banana Republic. Have you ever stood up for PRO AMERICAN IDEALS? Also genus the right to vote is not in the US Constitution.

  • Anonymous

    You have been listening to Fox new too long. Voter Fraud is not a problem

  • Richard Frost

    Kathy,

    There was no intent to dismiss anything that was said. My point was that anyone with two masters should be capable of displaying writing skills above and beyond those of a 6th grader. I an 80 years old and if the post in question had been submitted in my 6th grade class it would have resulted in a whack across my knuckles with a wooden ruler.

    Please note that, as I see it, your comments were clear and concise.

    I hope you enjoyed your weekend.

  • Fairdeal

    Huh? Proper registration ONLYbhas worked for ages so to suddenly add new hurdles to our right to vote is not right, especially if it effects poor, elderly or anyone else who has challenges. We are Americans and get to vote—no funny business-

  • Anonymous

    Actually there is NO US Constitutional right to vote. Why the Obama is attacking these laws, HE is also attacking Ohio trying to make it easier for Military to vote. Where is your outrage about the attack on our Military’s right to vote? All of a sudden voting is not so sacred when it involves our military, those that put their lives on the line for our country.

  • FairdealLynnewrites

    What do you mean?

  • Fairdeal

    what are you talking about? The right to vote is anything but Marxist- check your history, please.

  • Fairdeal

    Not quite- Banana republic starts when poor people lose their rights- remember -this by the people, of the people and for the people—not just the people who can manage wheels and a day off to get some goofy government ID…jeez, I would think the libertarians in the crowd would much prefer standing up to people’s rights to NOT have a tracking device for the gov’t if they don’t need it. Leave grandma and the poor folks alone and let them vote by merely registering properly. It still works .. The fraud is fake…rarely happens.

  • Anonymous

    There is no right to vote in the Constitution. This is a straw man argument to allow illegal to vote. And NO country can last if illegals vote, it allows dishonest Dems to rig the election.

  • Fairdeal

    Hmmmm…seems like Tea Party folks should be for voter freedom—-if they truly stand for real historical freedom ala The fathers of our Country

  • Patriot

    Voter nullification  is a fundamental desecration of the American Constitution.

  • Patriot

    Blowing up voters the Taliban’s way.
    Shooting voters Al-Qaeda’s way.
    Firing opposition voters is the Hugo Chaves way.
    Rigging votes is the Putin way. 
    Jailing opposition voters is the Iranian way.
    Clearly disenfranchising voters the Republican way.
    WInning voters  hearts and minds
                                 IS THE AMERICAN WAY.

  • Patriot

    Vote well….the problem with American politics is not the color of a man’s skin, it is poorly informed voters. Fox zombies, S. Pac propaganda dupes and racist are the true threat to this country. They look for someone to blame for their plight when the real culprit is in their mirror. The most important thing a patriot can do for his country is first, support the military and second, be an informed voter without prejudice.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ron.myers.100 Ron Myers

    I wonder what amount of research was done by the backers of the lobbyists that convinced the legislators sponsoring the bill requiring a picture ID. My cynical assessment was that if there was any research, that it showed that the majority of those registered voters that did not have and could not easily obtain a picture ID were people that did not support them.

  • Nathan D.

    so… felons don’t get taxed… but we still ge taxed… may want to rethink your position… I know we all hate taxes… my thought is the super rich sould pay more taxes and I should pay less… but don’t tell a republican that… they’ll say that I’ll stop job growth

  • jlese

    Shame on you Pennsylvania for disenfranchising these voters
    jeanne lese
    former Pennsylvanian

  • http://www.facebook.com/charliemoney3 Carlos Leal

    Something is very wrong; Obama’s Administration is sueing so Active Military Troops can’t vote but on the other hand Obama wants all these Non-ID people to be allow to Vote; The ‘ Fix ‘ is obvious….only a very stupid moron could not see what Obama is trying to do .

  • http://www.facebook.com/charliemoney3 Carlos Leal

    Also, are we not tired of listening to Bill Moyers Anti-Christian Bull Shi*?

  • AJayne

    Totally untrue. The Ohio legislature made the last three days of early voting for military only, and the Obama campaign wants it open to everyone. That doesn’t inhibit the military. It does enable the citizenry in general.

  • tanner

    The President’s lawsuit is to allow ALL Ohio residents to be able to vote absentee or early vote for the same number of days as the absentee Military vote. He is not attacking the Military’s right to vote. Read the whole thing OR change the station from Fox.

  • sue

    It would be Arrogant… not arrogont

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.grammer1 Michael Grammer

    this is nothing but a poll tax my lord i thought bull connor was dead

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.grammer1 Michael Grammer

    get off fox man and look for yourself

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.grammer1 Michael Grammer

    get off fox man and read study look for youself

  • http://www.facebook.com/fred.white.355 Fred White

    Need a birth certificate to show that you ARE A CITIZEN AND HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE!

  • Laura

    I very much agree that substance is more important than style, but if I can t decode a sentence — as in the above post — I skip it.

  • James Fagan

    I can not even believe this is a question with a reported 20 million illegal aliens living rather openly in this country. Do you imagine that any number one to 20 million Americans could go to either Canada or Mexico and with no ID vote for there respective Presidents?? There is no reason a person in this country could not have the simplest of documents per-cured and available in any 2 or 4 year period between national elections. None.

  • stumblebunny

    I went to get a savings card at Stop and Shop and Big Y (supermarkets) and they now require I give them my state issued ID to get a card. When did that start? My information is none of their business. So now in order to get savings at their stores I would have to be subjected to them compiling statistics on me and doing whatever else they do??? Big brother is here!!

  • Patriot

    Everybody knows Fox is rightwing television masquerading as news, but like racism, nobody really wants to admit it.

  • Patriot

    ~Fraud by individual voters is both irrational and extremely rare. Most citizens who take the time to vote offer their legitimate signatures and sworn oaths with the gravitas that this hard-won civic right deserves. Even for the few who view voting merely as a means to an end, however, voter fraud is a singularly foolish way to attempt to win an election. Each act of voter fraud risks five years in prison and a $10,000 fine – but yields at most one incremental vote. The single vote is simply not worth the price.

    Because voter fraud is essentially irrational, it is not surprising that no credible evidence suggests a voter fraud epidemic. There is no documented wave or trend of individuals voting multiple times, voting as someone else, or voting despite knowing that they are ineligible. Indeed, evidence from the microscopically scrutinized 2004 gubernatorial election in Washington State actually reveals just the opposite: though voter fraud does happen, it happens approximately 0.0009% of the time. The similarly closely-analyzed 2004 election in Ohio revealed a voter fraud rate of 0.00004%. National Weather Service data shows that Americans are struck and killed by lightning about as often.~

    Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law.
    http://www.brennancenter.org/

  • Dan On Route 66

    All states allow for early voting; all you have to do is request that a ballot be mailed to you. That way, you don’t have to stand in line on Election Day.

  • Tinker’swife

    You, Sir, are distracting from the conversation, off topic and nit picky.. if that is a word. The writer makes a good point: getting the id is not as easy as those trying to suppress the vote claim.

  • http://edsaves77.wordpress.com Eddie Bryan

    I’ve been waiting over a month to get a birth certificate from NYC here in Florida. I am homeless and use the services of an Episcopal Church. Actually, I got where I was born wrong and misspelled my mother’s maiden name. Could that be the problem, really?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dana-Tierney/1314206952 Dana Tierney

    tanner is correct. Check Snopes before making such statements.
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/military.asp

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dana-Tierney/1314206952 Dana Tierney

    He didn’t say they were in English, dude. Or that English was his first language. Do you have any answer to what he is actually saying? Didn’t think so. Most people who nitpick on grammar do not.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dana-Tierney/1314206952 Dana Tierney

    Are you serious? We should fingerprint everyone? You’re joking, right?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=12451337 Brad Ashburn

    Voter fraud is a straw man issue falsely drummed up to overcome the GOP’s inability to compete in fair and open elections – especially among the very groups these laws (across the nation – suspicious??) target. The true problems, if you want to discuss real electoral issues are the easily hacked, secret, unaccountable electronic voting machines which take the counting of votes away from us and place it behind closed, corporate doors. I guess we are just supposed to “trust them” although he (or she) who counts the votes has the power. The other electoral threat is the constant gerrymandering of districts by both parties. This awful tradition is one of the main culprits behind our pathetic, entrenched, ideologically polarized Congress. Do your own research and make some noise. Poor Democrats are only a problem to rich Republicans and their duped supporters.

  • cmp

    it’s been like that since the savings cards began

  • cmp

    so Bush did win fair and square the second time, no voter fraud as the democrats accused?

  • cmp

    it’s just hard to believe someone who claims to have 2 masters, but can’t put a sentence together

  • cmp

    why not?

  • http://www.facebook.com/sage.mccarey Sage McCarey

    Here in Georgia they sign you up for a voter card in front of the grocery store. In the past one did not have to have a birth certificate or anything to get a voter’s card.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dennis-Waite/638081117 Dennis Waite

    this is the finial straw …when our right to Vote is taken away by the Large corporations through the tea Party and Republicans ..its time for this nation to stop by any means necessary those who would oppose the freedom and our legal right provided by the US constitution and the Bill of Rights : this nation should look very carefully at any Republican running for office…they are the enemy -and they the – republican party of Corporations-are our most dangerous threat to all & every American: we need to ” OCCUPY” The voting Booth !!!! and stop this take over – and replace with Progressive DEMS………….

  • momof3ddh

    You do pay less taxes than the rich…maybe we should get the 50% that don’t pay any taxes to pay their share and leave the rich alone so they have the freedom to hire and pay a good wage.

  • momof3ddh

    Ok, so Fox may be rightwing, but all other news media is leftwing masquerading as news and your point?

  • B Armstrong

    In recent news there has been 3 cases of voter fraud that I have read about. Guess what? They were all Democrats.

  • fedup

    Voter ID laws are wrong. Point blank period. I wish people were honest. If you are a Republican, and you support this, just say you want to limit potential democrats from voting. I don’t agree with it, but I would respect that your being honest. There isn’t a voting abuse problem in this country. The system is being manipulated to serve very dishonest people. And do we really want them running our country? This is the era were all need to unite and stop all the nonsense. People’s lives are seriously affected by all the lies and games.

  • Mardi McKerrow

    I checked the Pennsylvania website for a photo i.d. and it only requires a Social Security card…not a Birth Certificate???

  • Anonymous

    So sacred that the US, like every other country, should protect the right to vote by requiring some proof that you’re allowed to vote.

    To do otherwise takes away any sanctity whatsoever.

  • http://www.facebook.com/linda.byrd.355 Linda Byrd

    Voting is not a right it is a privilege. If you don’t follow the laws than you can’t vote. I read the PA Id voting laws. It sounds like you maybe undocumented and until you get your documentation than you have no privilege to vote. We as Americans, naturalized or native born can vote because we either were born here or acquired legal documentation. If you have done all that and you still can’t get an ID, It sounds like we don’t have the whole story about these women. Can you vote in another country without ID? Which countries can vote without ID?

  • Q

    Wow – Do you believe illegals are voting now? Are poor people without birth certificates (through no fault of their own) illegals?

  • Patricia M

    How many cases of actual voter fraud can be documented? Last I read the Dept. of Justice had found 26 cases over 3 years. This is a made-up problem….a smokescreen. I have worked in the polls in two different MI counties for over 30 years and never encountered one. A few voters in the wrong precinct was the only concern to be addressed. Are we really going to keep thousands, possibly millions from voting because of a bunch of sore losers? Is this the American Way??? Speak out!!!
    In our state, there was one Rep. representative, or his workesr/volunteers, who falsified signatures on petitions for at least 5 years, Others who conspired to place an unknown candidate on the ballot to prevent a write-in….much more fraud in the political arena than by the voters. Plus, due to a supreme court ruling we have unknown millionairs, from who knows where, (no picture ID required) buying our legislators with misleading TV ads. I ask, where is the real problem……….forget the almost nonexistant fraud smokestream and address the real issues. 26 voters in all the United States in 3 years……oh yea, a real problem.

  • David Kerlick

    Only if you are a white male billionaire. The rest of us are here to fight wars, kill and die for their business interest, and NO BACK TALK!

  • David Kerlick

    WRONG WRONG WRONG. It is a foundation of democracy, not banana republic tea-fascist dictatorship!

  • Hal

    If that’s what you think the rich do when their tax burden decreases, you’re an idiot. Why do you think joblessness is such a problem during such a prosperous time for business?

  • Bob

    How do people in this situation buy alcohol or board airplanes?

  • Anonymous

    I’m commenting quite late, but would appreciate clarification. I don’t see the photo ID requirement in PA’s birth certificate process. http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/birth_certificates/14121

  • Keepitreal

    Hiding behind words, dude how many bruises do you have because people bump into you, because they can see right through you. Keep it real you’re a racist. Your just as illegal as the rest of us. As long as your within the US territory 1 man, 1 vote, if you live and work here. Illegals sounds KKK to me man.

  • Ben Johnson

    Gosh, “a retired nurse working toward a culinary degree.” No student ID? Nobody verified her identity or school record as a requirement for admission to the culinary school? How does the school know the person who completed the courses is the person whose name appears on the Diploma/Certificate? Nobody asks her for ID at the bank where she receives her nurse’s pension (retirement) checks? Or when she writes checks or uses a debit card from the bank account? Where in the United States does that happen?
    And a mother of four (adults, I assume, as she has four grandchildren) and “community organizer” can’t get one of her four grown children to bring her to her local courthouse to get things straightened out? Her “community organizer” skills aren’t of any help in getting someone from the community to assist her in obtaining an ID?
    When you consider that verification of identity is necessary to receive unemployment benefits, WIC, food stamps, welfare, or medical assistance, the whole argument that the poor can’t afford ID falls apart.

  • http://www.facebook.com/raven.sarver Ravenna Lea Sarver

    Very good point! I agree. If a lot of people brought up this point, the law would probably be zapped – fast!

  • http://www.facebook.com/jerry.hartle.9 Jerry Hartle

    Seriously? Almost all people in the bracket who “don’t pay taxes” as you so eloquently put have either paid taxes their whole lives because they are elderly, or they will pay more than their fair share of taxes in the future because they are college students. A small percentage are unemployed, but have paid taxes in the past, and will pay once they are employed again. Stay at home moms are also in the percentage who do not pay taxes. Seriously, use your brain.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jerry.hartle.9 Jerry Hartle

    Also, for your information the rich do not create jobs in the way you think they do. They ship jobs overseas to cut costs and increase profits, and they also replace good, hard workers with computers. Trickle down economics does not work. The job of a person who runs a business is to create profits for that company no matter what the cost is to middle class families.

  • Anonymous

    Except that you’re totally incorrect. There are hundreds of thousands of registered voters without ID now. Clearly, it happens, and these people are now disenfranchised. Your denial of it does not change the math.

    There are a myriad of explicable scenarios… In the case of a spouse, the other partner’s ID suffices for all basic ID needs. Check cashing establishments produce their own ID. Banks, government agencies, and employers are not required to be a valid citizen, and millions get along fine without any of these things.

    You are not required to have valid ID to be a citizen here in the US. You *are* required to be permitted to vote without barriers.

  • Anonymous

    In most cases, they don’t. As for alcohol, it’s unlikely for the elderly to get carded. In the case of air travel – again these are poor and elderly folks for the most part…

  • Anonymous

    We do have the whole story. They have valid ID, just not a photo ID. They have valid voter registration cards, and have for years. What they don’t have is a birth certificate.

    If it’s not a right, explain this bit of legislation? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act

  • Anonymous

    Illegals voting is a non-issue. They are not registered voters. Your point is based in paranoia and misinformation.

  • Anonymous

    If by “do anything” you mean fight for the right of everyone to vote in this case, then you are correct. I won’t defend democrats, but this ploy is clear vote nullification where Republicans are struggling.

  • Anonymous

    Passing new government-issued ID requirement legislation just prior to an election is definitely a ploy to stifle voting. The issuers cannot handle the influx of ID requests before the election. If this is going to be a requirement, it should not be for this election.

  • Shirley

    This video is proof fraud does go on at the poles, illegal are voting and we need a way to make sure the person voting is the person that’s registered. It’s not to stop people from voting, it’s to make sure no one else tàkes your vote before you.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILJDudUpct0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-DePriest/1844166575 Steven DePriest

    Bull Connor the Democrat??

  • peacewoman

    Actually it is in the Constitution – every citizen has the right to vote. Walter Mondale sign the amendment in the 60s’.

  • karl

    Why to you need a photo id to drive or get a visa card but not to vote? The Constitution gives the states the power,with the exception of poll tax, to set up rules for voting.How many of us would take a check from someone we did not know without seeing some photo ID?

  • http://www.facebook.com/edward.aviles.50 Ed Aviles

    Land of the free . . .

  • Anonymous

    Repugs target poor democrats with this ID law. The truth of this statement was made clear to me when I saw repugs crowing over it at some convention. States who require ID’s should provide ID’s without cost and should be severely penalized if this results in keeping citizens from the polls.

  • Anonymous

    Seems to me ID was required at the DNC

  • Anonymous

    1, voting is a constitutionally protected fundamental right, cashing checks or driving is not. 2, did you read the article about the difficulties millions of seniors are likely to experience, or do you just not care?

  • Anonymous

    bob, poor inner city dwellers have never been on a plane.

  • Anonymous

    “Voting is not a right it is a privilege.”

    I beg your pardon?? I don’t think you know what a right is.

  • Anonymous

    no way, 3 whole cases? let’s see, last election 130 million people voted, so that’s a HUGE impact!

  • PCLoadLetter

    owning a gun is a constitutionally protected right and requires an ID

  • PCLoadLetter

    The constitution explicitly states that the rights of the citizens of the United States to vote are protected.

    In the modern world it is the duty of the people to verify that voters are the citizens of the United States.

  • Anonymous

    It’s is also our duty, then, to make that ID absolutely free, completely easy to get, and remove any barriers. Anything else is a poll tax.

  • Steve Franklin

    Don’t care. Get an ID. What a baby.

  • GlockSnatcher

    And especially the RNC!

  • GlockSnatcher

    When financial transactions are expressions of our citizenship and inalienable rights, we can answer your naiive questions.

  • GlockSnatcher

    No it doesn’t is many situations. But the 2nd Amendment also says “well-regulated militia”.

  • GlockSnatcher

    I suspect the “do not care” part. That some may not be able to vote is not important to many RWNJs

  • Anonymous

    You actually know “hundreds of thousands of registered voters without ID”? So did Acorn!

  • Keldon McFarland

    Exactly. That’s why this whole backlash to voter ID laws is bogus. How does a person without an ID get medical care, find employment, lease an apt.? Elderly people do go to doctors. How can they not have an ID?

  • Alaina Toadpipe

    Voting rights are in the constitution. Driving is not. Nor is getting a credit card.

    If you wanted to compare it to needing ID to get a gun (at least apples to apples in regard to what is provided to us as a guarantee by our Constitution), that would make more sense.

    HOWEVER, I don’t remember the last time someone took out an entire school armed with a box full of ballots.

    More importantly… only ONE Amendment addresses gun ownership. FOUR address our right to vote and how it will NOT be infringed.

  • Alaina Toadpipe

    Fraud goes on at the polls?

    Yes, some does. But according to the decade long study started under the Bush administration, of hundreds of millions of votes, only .00000013% were in person voter fraud (aka, the only kind that ID would prevent).

    In short… even if the problem was 1000 times worse than it really is, it would still be only .00013% fraud. Or, in no way able to change the outcome of any elections.

  • Tom Davis

    So, lets clean up some of the propaganda here.

    1. In every state in the United States, with the exception of private sales, you must provide a valid photo ID to purchase a gun. Regardless of the merchants political lean, no gun store owner would even entertain the notion of selling a weapon without doing a background check – which requires a government issued ID. Gun ownership is a right, just as is voting is a right, yet no ID is required to vote. (And a vote is potentially far more deadly than any weapon)

    2. There are some citizens in the United States who, for whatever reason, don’t have a government issued ID. As some of our states are now requiring ID to vote, it has become the responsibility of the state to make the process of obtaining an ID easy and inexpensive – if not free – for these citizens. They have. Sworn statements from citizens of good character, and who DO have an ID is sufficient to obtain a state issued ID in most cases.

    2a. There actually aren’t that many American Citizens per capita, who don’t have, or cannot easily obtain, a state issued photo ID. And of this relatively small segment of the population, most don’t vote. Almost half of ID’d Americans don’t even vote: Estimates in the 2012 election had only a 58.2% turnout.

    - Side note: I don’t think this is right personally. I believe voting isn’t a right, it is a moral, civic duty and the responsibility of EVERY citizen of legal age to vote.

    3. Voter fraud isn’t a myth. In the 2012 election, some cities had over 100% voter turnout. Not exactly, OVER 100%. This, in itself proves that fraudulent votes were cast, particularly when roughly half of Americans DON’T VOTE.

    4. At some point, you will need to show ID in order to cash a check. Direct deposit? ATM deposits? You need an ID to open the bank account.

    4a. Average, ordinary Americans must show ID for so many seemingly mundane, ordinary things that it would stretch the bounds of reality to expect a person could survive in our society without at least some form of ID.

    Think about it: this is a cash and carry person with no personal residence nor utilities, no child having ever been registered into public school, no motor vehicle, who has never purchased ANY regulated item (weapon, tobacco, alcohol, prescriptions, etc), doesn’t hunt or fish and who has likely never seen the inside of a doctors office. Unless all these things, and a host of other activities, were done illegally that is. And if a person is willing to “stretch” truth or bend a law or two, how devastated do you think they would be to say… vote twice for a quick $20 spot?

    2 morals of the story: 1) give citizens an ID already and 2) it ain’t that hard to do the right thing. Voter ID is the right thing to do.

  • Anonymous

    Ok, just for the record. I have a photo ID. I’ve been voting in my state for 30+ years. I got a letter from the state saying there was a ‘question’ about my voter’s registration because…wait for it…my registration has a middle initial, my driver’s license. has my full middle name. Same address. I was able to fix that, because I have home computer and internet access. But why should I have had to do that in the first place? How far does this absurdity go? In my state, student ID’s are NOT accepted, but a gun license is. Please explain that one to me. I use my credit card and my husbands without ID on a daily basis. So, please stop saying how EASY it should be for someone with no transportation other than public or able to take time off work to visit the various government agencies needed for a legitimate citizen to vote. Just call it what it is, a modern day poll tax dressed up to defeat the conservative feared busloads of illegals voting. (p.s., if you are here illegally, the last place I would worry about them showing up would be a voting booth, most like to keep a pretty low profile, in all areas) I’d be more concerned about Diebold and voter tampering electronically, if you REALLY want something to worry about a legitimate vote not being counted.

  • Lisa Davis

    In Oregon, we vote by mail. No lines to wait in, no worries of being unduly influenced by people outside voter booths, no need to present ID to vote. You register to vote at DMV, or Post Office, or practically anywhere it seems.

    I feel it is way past time that states have days you can and can not vote. Have the ballot due by a certain date, and just send them out in the mail. Way cheaper for the states overall, and far more convienet for voters to have more time at home will ballot, then just a few minutes in a booth while others wait for you to finish.

    What the heck is the delay in getting all states to vote by mail?

  • Yeahright

    I guess you don’t know how to define a poll tax.

  • Susan L Gabbard

    In Kentucky (my home state), voter ID was implemented many years ago because of voter fraud in some parts of the commonwealth. I wonder if people were disenfranchised by this. If not, then how does Kentucky make sure that people can get IDs, especially among the poor? Might be applicable to other parts of the country. Surely something can be done to make sure people can exercise their right to vote while dispelling the possibility of fraud.

  • Anonymous

    Killing good, learning bad.

  • Anonymous

    I hear the argument being made, “How do these people cash their paychecks?” Many employers offer a service called direct deposit. Your check is deposited electronically in your account by your employer each pay period. Utility companies love it when you sign up for automatic payments. For all the rest of your financial needs there is the debit card where no ID is required. Of course there is also credit cards that don’t require ID. If direct deposit and automatic payments can happen millions of time per day in this nation with few problems and without photo ID WHY CAN’T VOTING? I hear the argument being made that this affects only a few people. A few black people, a few old people, a few Hispanic people, and a few college students. In a close election, these laws, based on a miniscule amount of voter fraud, most of which is perpetrated by conservatives, blocks voting for several demographics that lean Democratic. How would conservatives react if voter registration rolls were purged by Democrats of all Republicans for fear they might be radical pro lifers out to kill people at the polls or radical second amendment supporters out to kill people at the polls, or environmental terrorists bent on poisoning future generations? OK, calm down. All you have to do to vote is show your membership card in the ACLU or SIERRA Club and you can vote!!!

  • Debbie McArdle Craddock

    I think someone needs to wise up and realize that there are exceptions to the “rules” and that 3 forms of ID should be able to take the place of a formal I.D. How about 2 bills to the person at the same address within a 6 month period-in addition to a checking account/savings account number-or some validation that you’ve paid taxes? They need to start presenting PROOF of wide spread voter fraud, because so far their claims are empty or “invalid”. We should ask APPLE to solve the problem-have a fingerprint that scans the machine and okays you-or a “chip” inserted into the back of our neck? LOL Dems are also accused of gerrymandering and it seems that every 4 years or so we go thru this-We need to solve the problem so that it is fixed indefinitely-maybe going to POPULAR vote instead of the electoral vote should be looked at again? We are smart enough as a nation to conquer this-but for “some reason” it goes on and on-?

  • Andrew C Livingston

    They don’t.

  • Andrew C Livingston

    They do not need ID to go to a doctor. And otherwise, they do not find employment and they do not lease an apartment. In the main, we’re talking about elderly people. The clue is in your own post.

    As recently as 10 years ago, Republicans considered requiring a state ID for voting a sign of dictatorship. They were right.

  • Andrew C Livingston

    They’re simply dishonest and won’t come right out and admit that they don’t think these people should be voting. Except for their own grandmas of course. And anyone in their families.

  • Andrew C Livingston

    No you didn’t. If you didn’t “find people or money necessary to prosecute” then you didn’t prove anything.

    Your own party’s study found an incredibly insignificant amount of voter fraud over a ten year period. And your own party as recently as 10 years ago considered voter ID requirements a sign of creeping socialism.

    Look, we get it: back in 7th grade you learned about Boss Tweed and Tammany Hall and developed an irrational hatred of Democrats because of it. And then in high school you read Atlas Shrugged. Good on you, buddy. Problem is, you didn’t actually understand either.

    Oh, and nice blog. I especially like the way you encourage people to consider 2nd Amendment remedies. I hope you’ll agree with the Black Panthers also encourage folks to do the same. I know I sure will.

  • Andrew C Livingston

    I live in the UK. Yes, I can vote without an ID.

  • Andrew C Livingston

    Of course, because you didn’t read about the others. You folks never do.

  • Anonymous

    Claims are being repeated that more votes were cast in various localities that totaled over 100% of registered voters. Proof positive of voter fraud. Right? Not so fast. These claims are false and have been verified to be false at the link below. Voter fraud is nearly nonexistent. CHECK FOR YOURSELF. Please! And stop repeating this lie.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2013/01/voting-conspiracies/

  • Anonymous

    It addresses a problem that doesn’t exist. Check it out: http://www.factcheck.org/2013/01/voting-conspiracies/

  • Anonymous

    Check out this link which debunks the “voter fraud is rampant myth.” Please!

    http://www.factcheck.org/2013/01/voting-conspiracies/

  • Anonymous

    People who were “born here” in the early 1900s often were NOT issued a birth certificate because many – especially in rural areas – were born at home. Obtaining a birth certificate when all the people who were present at your birth is impossible. I.E. old people without proper “documentation” end up being denied the right to vote. Voter ID addresses a problem that doesn’t exist. http://www.factcheck.org/2013/01/voting-conspiracies/

  • Anonymous

    Not necessarily all Democrats. Just need to read a little broader spectrum of reporting. http://www.alternet.org/voter-fraud-rare-and-cycle-its-all-been-committed-republicans

  • Anonymous

    Not only are they not registered voters, they are paranoid about being detected and deported. They are the last ones we need to worry about. This link points out a different problem: http://www.alternet.org/voter-fraud-rare-and-cycle-its-all-been-committed-republicans

  • nickaponzi@yahoo.com

    Easily solved. Mark it easier to get a Photo ID. Everyone on food stamps gets one.

  • nickaponzi@yahoo.com

    Really? Google: Melowese Richardson.

  • nickaponzi@yahoo.com

    Why not make photo IDs more accessible? Preventing fraud is always good. Everyone should have a Photo ID.

  • nickaponzi@yahoo.com

    And how does one open a Bank Account? Photo ID.

  • nickaponzi@yahoo.com

    The “poor” in New York who get Food Stamps have Photo ID.

  • nickaponzi@yahoo.com

    Many people share a name save the middle name. The middle initial is all that distinguishes my son from me.

  • nickaponzi@yahoo.com

    An intelligent voice of reason like yours says there is still hope for America.

  • nickaponzi@yahoo.com

    The account that required Photo ID at the creation?

  • nickaponzi@yahoo.com

    Two words: Mellowed Richardson.

  • nickaponzi@yahoo.com

    I live way below the Poverty level but know the importance of Photo ID. Are you saying that Poor Democrtas don’t deserve proper ID?

  • nickaponzi@yahoo.com

    Post election now. So why the uproar?

  • Anonymous

    Seriously? You actually think you can deposit photo ID? Banks, unlike TeaParty zealots understand if you want to lie to them, it’s your jail sentence. I’ve opened two checking accounts and all that was required each time was the authorization paperwork to my employers payroll department along with a check from my new account with “void” written on it. Either you don’t have a checking account yourself, a job to fill one up with, or your spouse takes care of the family business so you don’t get confused and frustrated. Tell her “Thanks” every once in a while will ya?

  • PhatCat Shekoski

    Sorry to disagree Nick, but I reside in California, and I receive Food Stamps, but there is no Photo ID that I have been give. Sorry to burst your bubble!

  • PhatCat Shekoski

    I know many poor people as I have been disabled for the past 16 years and survive on Social Security, and most of them that are not on SSI, etc. do not have bank accounts and when they receive checks for whatever reasons, they must go to local stores or other companies that charge astronomical fees for cashing those checks. I also know a couple of working folks, who do not have bank accounts because of past banking problems, and they are made to go to the same institutions.

  • PhatCat Shekoski

    Like, I stated earlier NICkKPONZI, not so here in Southern California!

  • Debbie McArdle Craddock

    My sister in law lives in Hawaii-all that is required to vote is a utility bill, paycheck or government document that shows name and address OR a valid photo id. We need to make it easier to vote, not harder.

  • PhatCat Shekoski

    As a individual, who is disabled and surviving on
    Social Security, I have many poor friends, who are neither on Social Security of working, not because they are lazy and inept, but as a result of a sloppy economy. and they have to cash the few checks they receive at local stores or other money institutions, which charge them tons of money for not having the required ID that banks need to cash their checks. So, in essence, those who can least afford to pay this money grubbing places, are the ones who do!

  • Cait McKnelly

    No one said it was completely non-existent, Sparky. But one case is hardly proof of rampant voter fraud.
    Vote suppression and manipulation is a far more common form of voter fraud than double voting or “dead people” voting or “cats and dogs” voting.
    Trust me, between this and gerrymandering, Republicans have a lock on that sort of thing.

  • Bob

    This is one of the stupidest stories I have ever read. Picture ID cards are NOT that hard to get. They never have been. If these people “can’t” get one, it is because they simply Do NOT WANT TO. A picture ID is required, after all, for a whole host of OTHER everyday things…including some “obamacare” requirements. You democrats need to get with the program and stop trying to prove problems where quite literally none exist.

  • Anonymous

    Iadhomom42 There is.plenty of voter fraud all right, but IN PERSON voter fraud – which these I’D laws are specifically for – is almost non-existent. These laws are passed to disenfranchise certain groups of voters. Period.

  • Anonymous

    A student ID is not acceptable. Has to be state issued.

  • Librarian42

    I think Nick is saying that everyone on food stamps SHOULD receive an ID when they start receiving their benefits.

  • decrepittex

    I think you are both missing Nick’s point. I believe he is insinuating that all people needing an ID are on food stamps.

  • decrepittex

    Really? Why don’t you Google voter fraud and check exactly how many cases have been proven in the last ten years. The number isn’t enough to change the outcome of a city mayoral election.

  • Lisa Davis

    William McBrayer, I have yet to not receive my voting ballot in a timely fashion through the postal service. As for turning it in, I may mail it, or drop into a ballot drop box, of which there are many in the city. But mostly, no, the postal service does not loose much mail, compared to what they process and deliver correctly. But the point of the mailed ballot, is that you receive your ballot via mail, and have time with it that is not limited to time in a voting booth. Mailed ballots are a better solution then the standard voting methods other states still practice. Now, do you agree or not?

  • Anonymous

    In Pennsylvania, ID is required only if it’s the first time a voter is voting. So these women should have no problem. Of course given the drive to deny Pennsylvanians the vote by the governor and legislature, they may try to pull a rabbit out of a hat. But I just got notification of a new poll, and it specifically states that. I hope we throw the creeps out.

  • GregoryC

    How did you apply for a job with a photo ID? I’ve been asked for my Driver’s License and Social Security Card at EVERY employer since I was 16.

  • GregoryC

    I had to present a driver’s license to open my bank account and they still ask to see a photo ID every time I cash a check. Which I appreciate, because it decreases the possibility that someone is committing identity fraud.

  • GregoryC

    The fraud begins long before the polling booth. The selection of candidates by the duopoly.

  • Becci Himes

    Private sales of guns between individuals in Texas don’t require an ID.

  • Becci Himes

    It’s polls, not poles. Exactly how are you making sure that the actual person registered mailed in a vote?

  • Anonymous

    I had the same job for 38 years but had to produce my drivers license to my boss annually for a criminal background check, a requirement for the job I held. (Thirty eight background checks and I still have my gun collection. Imagine that!!!) The GAO, Congress’s General Accounting Office has just completed a study which proves my point. Voter ID laws are intended to restrict voting NOT reduce fraud. The majority of voter fraud comes from conservative quarters yet the voter ID laws target Democratic demographics in swing states or swing districts. These laws are a bald faced attempt by Republicans to cheat old people who have given up driving, who were delivered by a midwife and are living on small fixed incomes, out of their last opportunity to vote. It boggles my mind that poor, ill informed Republicans keep carrying water for these criminals. I have a credit rating over 800. When I walk into my Credit Union I get greeted by my first name. I tell them what I want to borrow and what I’m using for collateral. We ask Diane what she’s been up to. I NEVER PULL OUT AN ID. IF YOU CHOOSE TO BE TREATED LIKE A FACELESS COG, DON’T BLAME ME, SWITCH TO A CREDIT UNION AND PAY YOUR BILLS ON TIME.

  • Anonymous

    So, they pick up their checks, they get to a store to cash that check but they cannot manage to get an ID? I’m sure someone at the SSI office can help them get one if they ask. Again, excuses. They simply either do not want to take the time to figure it out, or they really do not know how to do it. These problems have nothing to do with the economy.

  • James

    if you have people you can trust to count them — that will not stop counting when their guy won

  • PhatCat Shekoski

    You are very close minded. Obviously, you do not realize that food is just a little more necessary than possessing an ID. And for your information, the “SSI office”, which does not exist, is not in charge of food stamps. SSI checks are administered by the SSA, which stands for Social Security Administration, and is a federal government organization. Secondly, food stamps are handled by local state governments. You are also obviously stupid!

  • PhatCat Shekoski

    Perhaps. But wouldn’t that just drive up the cost that the average tax payer has to pay for social services? No, not a good solution for the elitists that want to control government spending.

  • Anonymous

    You are making a huge assumption that ALL POOR people are democrats. When I was dirt poor, I was a republican, and voted republican, and I know plenty of other poor republicans. Also, many of these states have exceptions to the ID for those who are indigenous or have religious objections to being photographed (which I think is a crock of crap and if their religion objects to the requirements to vote, and they choose religion instead of the requirements, well that is their choice and therefore should not have the exception).

  • Anonymous

    As far as feeling bad for those who have to go to get checks cashed (I am assuming you mean personal checks if they are not on SS nor working), don’t you think it would benefit them just a bit if they made that one time $14 dollar investment to get an ID at the DMV so they can open a checking account, so they can save all that money they are throwing away at these money grubbing places? Which I am very familiar with as well, including cash advance, car title places, etc. I have them all as we speak, paying out the nose. I also deal with being late quite often because the money I receive falls on dates after the due dates, and getting feed up the butt, which is why it is tough being poor because we get penalized for a LOT of things. I am stuck in that hamster wheel and trying very hard to get out of it. But you know who I blame for it? ME! I do not hold the rich responsible, I do not blame others. I put myself in this mess and I am working very hard to get myself out of it. The poor do get punished harshly, which makes it even harder to get out of our holes sometimes. But it is what it is for a reason. Many poor people cheat and companies lose a lot because of the cheaters, and therefore, the honest have to pay for those who cheat. Nonetheless, I make no excuses for myself and I give no one else the luxury of excuses either. And instead of sitting around bitching and whining about it, how about doing something, even saving 1 dollar each time you get a check cashed until you save enough to pay for an ID. Now that’s a concept to wrap your head around.

  • Concerned Voter

    You need valid ID to enter college, so the retired nurse who is getting her culinary degree obviously has valid ID. hmm…story smells well…fishy

  • Concerned Voter

    there are many verified examples of dead people and people who are registered in multiple states and non-citizens voting – this is voter fraud, so if these laws disenfranchise anyone it is those who vote multiple times in an election

  • Concerned Voter

    you have to have valid ID to get the food stamps

  • Concerned Voter

    or in illinois where a vote for a republican is a vote for a democrat … neither party has a lock on poor behaviour

  • Concerned Voter

    Indiana requires photo ID to vote. I’m sure it disenfranchises all sorts of people to get their free identification.

  • Concerned Voter

    You are rude. You are also obviously liberal. In many states, should be every state, IDs are free.

  • Anonymous

    To get a gun license, you must pass a background check.

  • Dr. Conspiracy

    It simply isn’t true that one needs a photo ID to get a birth certificate. They can be ordered online through the VitalChek company, that uses other means to verify identity.

  • Matt

    Let me get this right. Your buddies are being charged “tons of money for not having the required ID” but instead of getting said ID and not paying the fees they continue to pay tons of money to some store why again? State ID is free or very low cost to the poor

  • Nanoprobe Technology

    Ever hear of the gun show loophole? Only Federally licensed dealers run background checks. Some sellers at gun shows, flea markets, or pawn shops may run background checks at their discretion but it’s not governed by Federal law. 40% of firearms are sold this way. Maybe to illegals, who knows if you don’t have to show ID.

  • Anonymous

    Sure, if you have a bank account to pay for it, it works.
    If one does not have that all important bank account, then one cannot pay for it. I’ve used Vitalchek.
    Thankfully, for me, I have that bank account.

  • Anonymous

    Can you post the data you used for this assertion? I would seriously like to see it, no snark intended.

  • Anonymous

    You need one here in Oregon, so California does not generalize out to the rest of the other 49 states.

  • Anonymous

    I did home health for over a decade; I had one client that was 86, in 2000. She was delivered by a midwife in Montana. The only record of her birth was the family bible.
    I found this out, because after 20+ years of collecting her Social Security, the SS administration decided that she was actually a year younger than she was.
    No reason for that decision, they just arbitrarily decided that she was younger, thereby owing them a year of overpayments.
    Yeesh!
    I got it straightened out, but it took many trips, with the poor lady and that MASSIVE family bible, before they decided that she was really her age.
    She would have been SCREWED by these laws.

  • Anonymous

    Huh. Lucky you, I’ve had to show photo ID for my business account AND my various personal accounts.
    That would be Bank of America, Chase and Wells Fargo.

  • Anonymous

    We do have people that are trustworthy to count them.
    I also live in Oregon, and BLESS our vote by mail system.
    We had, in the 2012 election cycle, a GOP party member get busted, by that camera that watches the counters, altering votes. She only got six invalidated, but she paid.
    We vote on everything here, as it should be, and we consider that crapola to be heinous indeed.
    Vote by mail for ALL!!

  • Anonymous

    Really? Not if you buy from Craig’s List, or BackPage, or from a gun show.
    There are no background checks involved in any of those domains.

  • Anonymous

    Really???
    Not in Oregon. There is no free ID for the poor here. What state are you speaking about, with free ID for the low income?
    I’d like to know. That’s information that needs to be disseminated to outreach people.

  • Anonymous

    So much for that First Amendment….

  • Anonymous

    Voter fraud of these types is usually carried out not by individuals but by party hacks who stuff the ballot boxes during counting. Voter ID will not do anything to stop fraud like this.

  • Anonymous

    There is some voter fraud, but never in our history has there been enough to make a difference in an election.

  • Anonymous

    That rumor has been disproved. Find another one.

  • Anonymous

    Why should it be mandatory? I walk to my poll at every election. I like it. It works.

  • Pat

    Is VitalChek free?

  • Paul L. Phillips

    That wasn’t voter fraud, that was election fraud. Something entirely different and an actual threat. To mangle a quote from Stalin, “it doesn’t matter who votes, it is who counts the votes that matters.”

  • Paul L. Phillips

    Fine, the state should supply it to you free of charge. Also, I’m almost 60 and I have a copy of my hospital birth certificate. That wasn’t good enough recently when I wanted a passport. I had to get a new, state issued one at my expense. Fortunately I had the ability to get one and afford the cost.

  • Anonymous

    For California, at least, you need a notarized request for a copy of your birth certificate. If you don’t have valid I.D., a notary can’t affirm that you are you.

  • Anonymous

    Registration is not the same as voting. After you move, you can still be “registered” at your old address. As long as you don’t vote in both places, no fraud.

  • Veteran

    I had to show one in NY to get a copy of my birth cert in a very very small town.

  • Anonymous

    One of the most onerous registration requirements for women in some states is Federal, not State. In Florida, for instance, a married, divorced, or widowed woman is required to show the original or a certified copy of her marriage certificate(s) if her name is different from the one on her birth certificate. This is part of the Homeland Security Act, supposed to ‘prove’ her name is her own. This requirement is supposed to be met by all states eventually. Federal! Certified copies are available from the State Health Department, Vital Records. They are not free. If you don’t furnish every possible permutation of the names or initials that might have appeared on the originals, Vital Records may not be able to locate them. Check into your state requirements–or your local, they don’t seem to be equally applied. Another thing: make sure the name on your ID matches the name on the voter roll. Otherwise your ballot may be cast as a ‘provisional’ ballot.

  • Anonymous

    Learn the difference between registration fraud and voter fraud.

  • cate

    I have been a state of Michigan caseworker for our county DHS and I have processed food stamp applications for almost 20 years. If you do not have an ID you can get written statements from 2 people who know you and will state you are the person you say you are. I have never heard of anyone lying, or their friends lying, about who they are. We do not require picture IDs….a social security award statement, paycheck, utility bill and other common forms of IDs will work. The ID that is accepted for the Federal food stamp program is very lenient and isn’t meant to be a hardship for the applicant. Because food stamps are a federal program they are pretty uniform across all the states. When recipients get their IDs in Michigan they are like a debit card and have a pretty picture of Michigan’s Mackinac Bridge and they are called “Bridge” cards. There is no picture of the recipient on the

  • Nelson

    Literally 5 minutes ago, I had to scan and send my driver’s license with picture ID to Vital Chek or they would not release a death certificate to me for my sister. So uh……..it appears to be the same for birth certificates.

  • Nelson

    I don’t know about birth certificate, but death certificate I just ordered was $79

  • Pat

    So part of the goal is to deny young voters the right to vote – a group that tends to vote Democratic.

  • Bubba

    The greater difficulty here is not so much the obtainment of photo ID as it is driving home the point through neanderthal like mentalities that many people do not have photo ID, that many times photo ID is extremely difficult to obtain, and that there is no valid reason to even create such disenfranchising laws in order to restrict a large number of previously legal voters from exercising their right to vote. Hard to imagine the benefits of making America un-american.

  • Ralph Cruzan

    In Texas when voter fraud occurs which is not often, you have multiple cases in one locale. Sorry I have not done extensive research however sure appears to me as you have pointed out party hack work Even more so when tow of the locales are the lower Rio Grande Valley

  • paganpink

    How does a nurse not have an ID card when every college requires one to attend? How do you fill a prescription, or buy alcohol or cigarettes, or get a phone, or rent or buy a home? You need an ID card to get inside all federal buildings and to receive government assistance or apply for or receive a job, and to have a checking account- or cash a check if you DON’T have a checking account! What are these people talking about? An anti-government activist has to show ID to protest FOR I.D. LAWS, LOL. That’s so the Democrats or labor unions know who they have on their busses and who they paid to show up. You have to show ID to get a marriage license! Come on! This article is laughable.