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BILL MOYERS: Senator Sanders belongs to no party – he’s truly an independent. But my next guests not only belong to a party -- the Green Party -- they are its nominees for president and vice-president. Both plunged into politics, as you will hear, from real life experiences.

Jill Stein graduated from Harvard Medical School and became an internist specializing in environmental health, especially pollutants in the air that threaten young children and aging adults.

Her running mate, Cherie Honkala, is a single mother who knows what it is to be homeless. Last year she ran for sheriff of Philadelphia on a platform of ending foreclosures and evictions. She’s also the co-founder and national coordinator of the Poor People’s Economic Human Rights Campaign. That’s a non-profit organization with members all across the country.

Welcome to you both.

JILL STEIN: Thank you.

CHERI HONKALA: Happy to be here.

BILL MOYERS: I first heard of you about ten years ago when the Clean Elections Law -- public funding for state elections was up in Massachusetts where you were living at the time. And the people in Massachusetts voted two to one for clean elections, for public funding of state elections. And yet sometime later the Massachusetts legislature, a Democratic legislature, on an unrecorded vote overturned that judgment. They vetoed the public will.

JILL STEIN: It was that fight that really catapulted me into the world of political battle. I had not been a member of a Party, I had never been to a political meeting before then. And you know, to see that all these groups which had joined together, and I came to it as a mother and medical doctor, very concerned about our health care system falling apart and also about an epidemic of chronic disease descending on our kids which as a mom I took really, really seriously and as a doctor was fighting it tooth and nail, saw that money was always taking over.

A number of groups got together across labor, environment, health care, you name it, and all of us said we've got a common predator here, it's money in politics. Let's get it out. We actually passed that referendum by a two to one margin.

BILL MOYERS: It's amazing actually.

JILL STEIN: Huge. And the minute we passed it the legislature began to resist it, to try not to fund it. And then finally they wound up repealing, as you said a legislature that was about 85 percent Democratic. So it could have, you know, overridden any veto and so on. It had the power to actually clean up our political system.

And that said to me the fight here is much bigger than any one issue. It's really about a political culture. If we want to fix what ails us we need to fundamentally fix the political system. At that point I was recruited to run to office and I did it as a desperation move. Everything else was failing us and I realized it was time to fundamentally transform our political system and work with a party that was actually committed to getting money out of politics.

BILL MOYERS: I remember your saying-- somewhere I read your saying that a hunger for justice was born in you the night you and your young son were evicted from your home.

CHERI HONKALA: Yes. For me it was a very personal thing. I found myself homeless in a car in the Twin Cities and could have frozen to death--

BILL MOYERS: In Minnesota?

CHERI HONKALA: In Minnesota. I knew that that was probably happening to, you know, thousands of other families across the entire country. And so yes, definitely that night there was a hunger for justice that was born. And I just felt that it was a real disgrace in a country that has more abandoned properties than homeless families that we could have that situation.

And then it was a couple years ago that I was sitting in my office and the Green Party approached me and said, "Cheri, if you're serious about this foreclosure crisis we have an idea. And if you would run for Philadelphia sheriff and refuse to throw families out their homes--" because that's what the sheriff's department does in Philadelphia.

And I immediately got on the phone, called mentors of mine and they said, "You know, you have an opportunity to talk about the devastation that the majority of the people in this country are disconnected, that they don't really see happening on a daily basis. We watch other kinds of images, we hear different things on the news, but we're not hearing about those eight million families that have lost their homes." And so-- I decided that I would run-- as the people's sheriff and refuse to throw families out of their homes.

BILL MOYERS: You once said that politics is the mother of all illnesses.

JILL STEIN: Yeah-- exactly, you know, I got into this as a medical doctor and a mother really worried about this epidemic of chronic disease, seeing in our kids obesity, diabetes, asthma, cancer, learning disabilities -- skyrocketing rates. We didn't used to have that in kids. This was new, going back about 20 years -- 20, 25 years. And I said to myself, you know, it's not in-- our genes didn't change overnight. Our genes didn't change.

Something's going on in our communities. Got to work with our communities, found that in spite of great solutions we had that our political system was obstructing those solutions whether it was cleaning up our air with renewable, clean renewable energy or recycling waste instead of burning it or implementing a single payer Medicare for all system, they're not interested because they're getting paid.

Our lawmakers are getting paid not to be interested. So it basically means if we want to implement these solutions that create the jobs that we need, that can put an end to the foreclosure crisis and all the rest, if we want to do that we have to figure fix the broken political system. It is the mother of all illnesses and we can fix it.

BILL MOYERS: Cheri, what have you learned running about our political system that you didn't know before?

CHERI HONKALA: That we really have a responsibility to get off of the sidelines and to get involved in saving our democracy in this country. We're really in trouble. The amount of corruption, the lack of participation. The number of people in this country that are just planning to sit out this next election is absolutely demoralizing.

The fact that people that are out there watching this program today don't even know a thing about the Green Party, because there's all these ways that both the Democrats and the Republicans have kept us out of the debates, have kept us out of the media, you name it, that's a serious thing. Because the last thing that we have in this country is our voice and our democracy and once that's taken away from us we're really in trouble.

BILL MOYERS: If you made it to the White House what would you do on the first day?

JILL STEIN: For starters I think we would fire Wall Street because Wall Street is all over the White House from the Treasurer's office to--

BILL MOYERS: Jill, you can't fire Wall Street.

JILL STEIN: However --

BILL MOYERS: You can't fire the people who provide the money.

JILL STEIN: If you are dependent--

BILL MOYERS: They can fire you.

JILL STEIN: If you are dependent on that money, and that is exactly the point. That is exactly why you want to be a part of a political party which is not being held hostage by its Wall Street funders. And that's why I think, you know, you don't want to go into the voting booth and give them a mandate for four more years of the same with two candidates who are fundamentally being funded by Wall Street and corporate America that is raking us over the coals.

BILL MOYERS: But America is a capitalist democracy. You have to deal with the realities and power of capital and the needs of institutions that feed capital into the system, right?

JILL STEIN: Of course, and unfortunately our current capitalist system doesn't do that. You know, it provides capital to the very tippy top that's already got plenty. You know, small businesses have been absolutely crushed by this system. And the stimulus packages that the president and Congress have provided have been entirely inadequate to the job. They've provided mostly tax breaks which as we know is an extremely expensive way to create jobs.

And I think the American people object to what's called the realities, those political realities which are essentially the backroom deals that those politicians make in order to get the campaign contributions. So they come to office owing return favors. We don't come to office owing those favors. We have nothing but public interest support.

So we owe favors actually to the public to implement the agenda that they want, a Green New Deal to create jobs, health care as a human right, forgiving student debt, bailing out our students and our homeowners and not our bankers. We do have the money to do this. We're just squandering trillions on wars, Wall Street bailouts and tax breaks for the wealthy.

BILL MOYERS: Your Green New Deal. What is that? What's the essence of it?

JILL STEIN: It is an emergency program to solve two problems: the unemployment crisis and the climate crisis. And it basically uses the model of the New Deal which got us out of the Great Depression, created a lot of jobs in the 1930s. We can do that. It directly creates jobs in our communities, and at the same time that it creates jobs it also jumpstarts the green economy that effectively spells an end to climate change and makes wars for oil obsolete.

It makes national dollars available at the local level so our communities can decide what kinds of jobs they need to become sustainable.

So it creates jobs for teachers. Let's hire back those hundreds of thousands of teachers who've been laid off, nurses, childcare after school, home care, elder care, violence prevention, drug abuse rehabilitation, affordable housing construction. It allows people to go down to an employment office and get a job in public works and public services. And it also provides funding for small businesses and startups at the community level.

BILL MOYERS: What do you say when someone says you're utopian. You want what is impractical and impossible?

CHERI HONKALA: You know, my whole life has been about dealing with reality and being as pragmatic and as practical as possible. And we have managed to feed, house and clothe thousands of people with absolutely no resources. We're experts at being resourceful but resource-less.

And we are also experts at really seeing the massive amounts of abundance and how it never gets in the hands of the actual people. And in my neighborhood or anyplace else across the country, watching families open up their refrigerator and nothing being in there, and then watching the massive amounts of food that is thrown away on a daily basis. In Philadelphia there's 40,000 abandoned properties. There's something really wrong with that picture. And it's really this whole issue about, like, who's in control and who's making the decisions and, you know, the wrong priorities. And the priority has to be the American people and not corporate greed.

BILL MOYERS: You have said, Jill, we can and must shift to an economy in which 100 percent of our electricity is generated renewably. But we're headed in the other direction toward more fossil fuel, more drilling, more fracking and even on public lands. And the majority of people seem to like the jobs that creates and the local prosperity that comes with that “drill, baby, drill.”

JILL STEIN: And people would like even more if they could have jobs and local prosperity without destroying their climate, without polluting their air and their water and without basically, you know, riding us into a devastating future and in fact a devastating now because our water and our air and our climate are unraveling around us right now.

BILL MOYERS: You've said that to achieve your platform would require quote, "A World War II-scale mobilization." Two questions. Where's the money coming from? And secondly, World War II required a lot of sacrifice from people. What sacrifice are you asking us to make? First, where's the money coming from?

JILL STEIN: So the money comes from downsizing the military. We're now spending $1 trillion a year on a bloated military industrial security complex which doesn't make us more secure. So we can cut that back. It's been doubled. Our military budget doubled over the last decade. We can cut it back by half to where it was before and be more secure on account of it and more secure for spending our dollars here at home and creating a stable and prosperous and sustainable economy.

So hundreds of billions of dollars can come from redirecting military dollars which are being squandered. They can also come from tax dollars which are not being paid now by the very rich. And we're not only talking about a millionaire's surtax which--

BILL MOYERS: Soak the rich again, there they come again, soak the rich.

JILL STEIN: Well, isn't it about time? Instead of soaking the poor how about we have some level playing field here?

BILL MOYERS: So is that the sacrifice you expect of many Americans to-- more taxes?

JILL STEIN: Those who are most equipped to contribute to a society in which they, themselves, benefit more than anyone need to start stepping up to the plate. I mean, we have an absolutely unsustainable economy and tax structure right now. Why should Wall Street be except from a sales tax?

If you put a small sales tax on Wall Street transactions you not only generate hundreds of billions of dollars a year which could fund our Green New Deal, but you also rein in this reckless speculation in gambling on Wall Street which is a good thing all around.

And one last thing where the dollars come from which I want to say as a doctor -- to go back to this point.

Right now, we are spending over $2 trillion a year on a sick care system. Seventy-five percent of those dollars are being spent on chronic diseases that are avoidable at a tiny fraction of the cost if we were doing the right thing upfront by way of pollution prevention so we don't have the air pollution aggravating the asthma, the heart disease, the strokes and all the other things that are linked to air pollution, and it goes far beyond air pollution as well.

To have a healthy local organic diet with fresh fruits and vegetables which are absolutely critical. We are essentially poisoning ourselves three times a day with our industrial diet. And an active transportation system, that is the makings of a health care system which can recoup trillions of dollars over the next decade in chronic disease and its cost being avoided.

CHERI HONKALA: If you travel around the country and are involved in this anti-poverty movement that I'm involved in and have seen the devastation in my neighborhood--

BILL MOYERS: It's in Philadelphia?

CHERI HONKALA: Yeah, in Kensington, Philadelphia in Pennsylvania. And we already live in a war zone and people are trying to figure out daily across this country how to sell their labor in order to survive.

And the drug war is absolutely out of control and so if you want to cut back on crime, if you want to prevent a social explosion it's going to happen in this country.

People are not going to continue to, in the neighborhoods that I live in, watch their kids go to bed at night with nothing to eat. It's just not going to happen, not in a country that has an abundance where they can see right out their window seven blocks away, large buildings, folks with lots of money, and then expect their three or four kids to go to bed with no food.

BILL MOYERS: You've been at Charlotte at the Democratic National Convention among the very people who are terrified that you will do to them in November what Ralph Nader did in 2000 when he helped defeat Al Gore and deliver the victory to the Republicans.

JILL STEIN: The exit polls actually show that Nader drew equally from Democrats and Republicans, but the vast majority of his votes actually came from independents who otherwise would not have been voting in that race. And we see this over and over again in our campaign.

We are hearing from Republicans who are saying that they have a reason to come out and vote and that they'll be supporting us. We actually hear that in equal quantities to Democrats. So I just want to point out that that mythology is very self-serving for a political establishment whose goal is to essentially eliminate political competition.

BILL MOYERS: But I'm sure you know that the Democrats in Charlotte are fearful that that will happen again. I mean, the mythology as it might be lives in their psyche.

CHERI HONKALA: You can't really spoil something that's already rotten.

BILL MOYERS: What do you mean?

CHERI HONKALA: We know that-- anybody that really knows politics understands that we're really dealing with a one party system in this country that's backed by corporations that doesn't really represent poor and working people in this country. And I think the thing that's far more scary is that the majority of the American people without programs like yours wouldn't even know that there's any other options. And so if we really live in a democracy then we should allow other independent parties to get access to the media, to have ballot access, to be able to be heard and to have the American people really decide who they want to run this country.

JILL STEIN: Because if you look at the record, you know, and there's been a politics of fear that has been touted and drummed into the voting public, fear campaigns and smear campaigns against independent politics for a long time, but especially since the Nader race over the last ten years. So--

BILL MOYERS: Yeah, both parties I have to say make it very difficult for you and any third party to be on the ballot in one state after another.

JILL STEIN: And why do they do that? They are very afraid that if people get wind of the fact that we could actually change things, that we actually have a choice that is of, by and for the people that actually restores our democracy and begins to push forward these solutions that people don't need to be convinced of, as you say people are already supporting them in substantial majorities-- if word gets out that there's a way to make it happen, you know, then all bets are off on what actually could happen.

And what we point out is that over the past decade of this politics of fear it has actually delivered everything that we're afraid of. But to look at American history, it's the politics of courage that has always moved us forward.

So we had it during abolition with the Liberty Party that helped drive that abolition agenda into the Republican Party which just happened to be a small party that won the presidential election at a time of great social transition and made that agenda a reality. During women's suffrage there was both a social movement on the ground as well as a women's party that kept driving the agenda into the political dialogue.

During the Labor Movement you had people fighting and dying on the streets for a 40-hour workweek, for safe workplaces, for child labor laws, for social security, for the rest of it. And you had independent parties, socialist, labor, progressive parties that could articulate the agenda and the vision and bring the demands into the realm--

BILL MOYERS: All right--

JILL STEIN: --of politics.

BILL MOYERS: Why don't you set out to take over the Democratic Party the way the conservatives over the last 40 years have taken over the Republican Party?

JILL STEIN: You know, been there, done that for about ten years. Wasn't that what the Obama election was all about? It was this--

BILL MOYERS: But it took the conservatives--

JILL STEIN: --incredible--

BILL MOYERS: --40 years.

JILL STEIN: Well—

BILL MOYERS: From Barry Goldwater forward, Jill.

CHERI HONKALA: We don't have that time. I think that Dr. Martin Luther King said it the best. He said that when you have an emergency sometimes you have to ignore the red lights, be the ambulance drivers and drive through the red light. And that's what time it is now in America. And we've got to stop saying that something is not possible because is it possible.

BILL MOYERS: Why is it possible, what do you mean?

CHERI HONKALA: There's always a beginning.

BILL MOYERS: Are we at some tipping point?

CHERI HONKALA: Yes, we definitely are at a tipping point. Again, speaking to the amount of children that are going hungry every day in this country, the eight million families that have lost their homes to foreclosure -- my nieces are African American and they lived in their home for 20 years, a little house on the corner of 38th and Tenth Street in Minneapolis.

Now today, you know, my nieces are living in my mother's little living room right now because they were one of the victims that lost their homes to foreclosure.

Right after Obama came into office I went with a bunch of women that were in foreclosure. We flew to Washington D.C., we decided that we were going to work with the Democrats. We were going to figure out how to keep these families in their homes. And today none of these women are in their homes. And so that's what time it is right now. People that are used to living a good standard of living, living in their homes for 20-some years are not going to adjust to just living on somebody's couch. They have had—

BILL MOYERS: What are they going to do? What really are they going to do?

CHERI HONKALA: --work ethics, they've worked their whole lives.

They're going to begin to say that this is enough, they're going to take off their glasses. They're going to realize that there really hasn't been two choices, that there's been corporate America that has been putting forward the agenda for both the Democrats and the Republicans and that it's time to build something new, it's time to build an independent political party that represents their interests.

JILL STEIN: And I have to say that there are a lot of good people who have been working for decades to do that and for whom the Obama election was really the culmination of a lifetime of work and who saw and participated in and created a mobilization like none we had ever seen before. And to see us only accelerate in the wrong direction and to see good progressives who are continually wiped out, silenced, taken off the ballot. It happens in the Democratic Party. It happens in the Republican Party, too. Money is firmly in control. These are not public interest institutions. These are Wall Street-sponsored institutions and at the end of the day if you don't toe the party line you will be silenced, you will be wiped out, you will be taken off the stage. You will not be admitted into the debates

We need to be working with a party that's very clear that its interest is the public interest and it doesn't take corporate money. That is the quality assurance that it will not be corrupted. And we need to move forward together. And as Alice Walker says the biggest way people give up power is by not knowing they have it to start with. We actually have it.

BILL MOYERS: Cheri Honkala and Jill Stein, candidates for vice president and president on the Green Party ticket. Thank you for being with me.

CHERI HONKALA: Thank you, Bill.

JILL STEIN: Great to be with you, Bill.

Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala on Third-Party Politics

September 7, 2012

Bill talks to Green Party presidential and vice presidential candidates Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala, who share their unique perspectives on the intersection of personal missions and modern politics.

Stein graduated from Harvard Medical School to become an internist specializing in environmental health. She was a Massachusetts gubernatorial candidate in 2002, co-founded the Massachusetts Coalition for Healthy Communities in 2003, and represented the Green-Rainbow Party in state races in 2004 and 2006.

Honkala is an anti-poverty activist and community organizer who co-founded the Kensington Welfare Rights Union and the Poor People’s Economic Human Rights Campaign. A formerly homeless single mother, Honkala became the first woman ever to run for Sheriff of Philadelphia in 2011.

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  • chris k

    thank you bill moyers, for another wonderful program. you are the voice of sanity. thank you jill stein and cheri honkala for your courage, your hard work, and your sacrifices to help make this country a place that we can be proud of

  • Anonymous

    Why does this show show at 5am in the Seattle area?

  • mark phelan

    thanks for giving other candidates a voice.. making “pbs” look like “public broadcasting system”

  • Andrew N

    Another wonderful program that illuminates again how both parties are addicted to corporate cash and will never foster real change. Voting for a true alternative is both the moral and realistic choice. Thank you, Bill!

  • bill nerin

    Man, I would love to hear them debate Obama and Romney and their VPs. That would really be a moment of education

  • http://twitter.com/TisClauske Pascale Claus

    We might get some unscripted moments. Wouldn’t that be nice.

  • GreenGenes

    If the over 100 million voters heard this, democracy might break out. Thank you for doing this Bill. Thank you PBS for allowing this to air.

  • http://twitter.com/Dissenta Dissenta

    Mr Wetzel wrote: “Jill Stein is not being fully honest with the voters. She should admit she has little if any chance in winning this election.”

    I would put it differently. She’s been quite honest with voters in speaking of the long haul and that fact that she might not win this election round. That’s not the point. This is not a sports event where a whistle blows, game ends, we go home. This is the long game.

    Suddenly many voters are noticing that neither of Dr Stein’s main opponents would be better than the other, they’re both inadequate, so little is lost, indeed much is gained, by voting for Jill Stein. Once that insight flashes across one’s brain, the lock of the two-party system around our necks slips away and we can make a free choice unencumbered by a “lesser of two evils” guessing game. We can look outside that box and find a real choice.

    Will that choice win? Well, here’s what democracy looks like: vote for Jill Stein (if that’s your choice) and FIND OUT if she wins. In Stein’s case, if everybody who agrees with her actually votes for her instead of wringing their hands, she will be elected president, if not now, she or her party eventually. She called for a a revolution in her first TV ad and that’s what will be happening. Message: Relax and vote your values. This is the beginning, not the end.

    Despite efforts of the GOP and Dem duopoly, assisted by corporate media, to lock out Dr Stein from public awareness (except where she gets her foot in the door because she is truly irrepressible), she has launched an invasion of the status quo. Thanks, Doc, and thanks Cheri, too. What a team!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Elaine-B-Holtz/584292483 Elaine B. Holtz

    Dear Bill, Thank you for another wonderful show.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Elaine-B-Holtz/584292483 Elaine B. Holtz

    This was one of the most intelligent conversation I have heard in decades. Thank you Bill.

  • Georgianne E. Matthews

    Dr. Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala are two outstanding women, brilliant and so much needed at this present time. I hope Bill Moyers will interview them again and encourage others he knows of to interview them as well. Dr. Jill and Cheri compliment each other and clearly help all of us understand that they are needed and will be excellent leaders of our nation.

    Bill Moyers, Amy Goodman, and Richard Falk should be invited to join a two hour intellectual sharing of minds as Bill Moyers did in this interview and graciously invite all networks to tune in.
    Amy Goodman’s and the honorable outstanding Human Rights attorney and professor Richard Falk will add so much excellence, no war talk and no more shameful planning to bomb Iran. They will compliment the goodness of Dr. Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala.
    The voters need to learn from these outstanding humanitarians and thinkers.Sincerely,Georgianne E. MatthewsPacific Grove, CA

  • http://twitter.com/Dissenta Dissenta

    (Continuing my comment to Mr Wetzel above):

    Mr Wetzel might consider there is a great deal of courage at large in America today that could make a difference in this election. Suddenly many voters are noticing that neither of her main opponents would be better than the other, they’re both inadequate, thus little is lost, indeed much is gained, by voting for Jill Stein. Once that insight flashes across one’s brain, the lock of the two-party system around our necks loosens and we can make a free choice unencumbered by a “lesser of two evils” guessing game. She is reforming politics with this single insight as much as media exposure allows her. This is Big Medicine for Bad Politics. We are released to look outside the box and find a real choice.

    Will that choice win? Well, here’s what democracy looks like: vote for Jill Stein (if that’s your choice) and FIND OUT if she wins. In Stein’s case, if everybody who agreed with her actually voted for her instead of wringing their hands, she would likely be elected president. If she doesn’t win this round, it’s likely the power of fear and the excluding effects of the 2-party system, and she’ll keep moving on and inspiring others down-ticket.

    She’s a realist and because of that she called for a revolution in her first TV ad, a process of political change over time, and that’s what will be happening. She was speaking as a medical doctor and a mother, so she means business and so do Cheri Honkala and millions of others. Getting their ideas out is a way of “winning,” too, maybe as big a way as ballots.

    Message: Vote your values. This is the beginning, not the end.

    Despite efforts of the GOP and Dem duopoly, assisted by corporate media, to lock out Dr Stein’s ideas from the public’s awareness (except where she gets her foot in the door because she is truly irrepressible), she has launched an invasion of the status quo.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rebeccarburgess Rebecca Burgess

    Thank you Bill! This was such a relief to hear, listening to women who make sense and have the experience and heart to pull the issues into a targeted and integrated vision. Health care via transportation and ag policy.. so obvious… a little transaction tax on wall st. trades to fund renewable energy, health care and higher education… and all the jobs this type of policy will create! While hopefully mitigating the worst of climate change. Seems like straight forward common sense! Thank you

  • pop90

    I was always told, “Vote your conscience.” These bold and honest women have earned my vote :)

  • unkerjay

    Thank you, Bill.

    One thing I’ve found in having voted for democrats, republicans and independents is that the country is far more resilient than the incumbents, the challengers, the republicans, the democrats would like to give it credit for.

    We just survived two wars and a REALLY bad recession. We’re not done yet, but, we’re STILL here. Somehow I think the country will survive if Romney is elected. It will survive if Obama’s re-elected.

    If you were new to the country and the political process, you might not be inclined to believe that to listen to them, but, that’s the truth.

    Somehow, voting for Jill Stein, supporting Elizabeth Warren consistent with my conscience, my principles, my values seems far less traumatic knowing that.

    Jan 21st, 2013, the country will still be here. It never was or will be up to the people we elect. It is up to us.

    If it gets bad enough, just maybe we’re smart enough to figure out what to do and DO it. We had a choice between John McCain and Barack Obama and we elected Barack Obama. I voted for Barack Obama.

    If Mitt Romney turns out not to be the best choice. The country will still be here and the choice will be ours again four years from now.

    That’s my belief. And I’m voting for Jill Stein.

    So there.

  • Anonymous

    I’m sure I left a comment earlier, but I don’t see it anywhere, so I’ll try again.

    Great thanks go to Bill Moyers and PBS for airing this interview. I will ask that they go one giant step further and hold “Third Party Debates” in October. Between the League of Women Voters and countless other people & organizations, I’m sure this would not prove to be too daunting a task.

    And what a service to our country it would be!!!!! How enlightening for people to see honest, challenging debates that have depth of content and thinking! How nice to remove sports metaphors and replace them with creative ideas and possibilities. HUGE numbers of people don’t vote anymore. If they were to see significant debate among candidates who CAN INDEED BE ELECTED I’ll bet many of them will return to the polls on election day.

    Let’s not just talk about getting their vision out to the public. Let’s DO something about it. Boldly. Fearlessly.

    Please consider this, PBS & Bill Moyers, and then do it.

    Thank you.

  • http://twitter.com/wearewideawake eileen fleming

    IF ONLY THE MEDIA would allow time for the alternative voices to Rep or Dem that are more aligned with main street America, we could indeed have an out break of democracy just by holding “these
    truths to be self-evident: That all [people] are created equal; that
    they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable
    rights…that, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among
    [people] deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed;
    and, whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends,
    it is the RIGHT of the people to ALTER or to ABOLISH it.” -July 4, 1776, The Declaration of Independence.

    I am eileen fleming for US HOUSE, D. 5, Fl. and I approve of all of my messages.

  • Michael C.

    I like the idea of a sales tax for wall street. Nevertheless, it would not slow down irresponsible trading.

  • Michael C.

    I admire the green party and support the generous and patriotic effort these ladies are making but I cannot imagine that they actually want my vote. The election between good and evil is so tight a race!

    It appears to me that fervent idealism (redundant?) is a brilliant spark for great movements but these are simply kindling for great big change.  I’ll donate and perhaps make time to show up but I cannot in good conscience vote for them at this time. 

    Please correct me If you feel I’m wrong. Always open to salient contradictory arguments. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/victoria.manion Victoria Manion

    I am definitely voting for Jill, and have also made the very first campaign contribution I have ever made to her campaign.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lcnelson99 Lisa Nelson

    This was the best show all year (of course I say that now, but then you surpass yourself next week). On the one hand this show was a bit depressing at the hopelessness. I worry that things are going to have to get even worse before we rise up. No one even mentioned the “Occupy Movement” at either convention and that was a huge event. Wall Street tolerated them for a while, then swept them away like pesky insect. I live in Utah so my vote for Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala will largely be symbolic, but I will. Thank you for showcasing these important issues.

  • RobertL18

    Thank you for having this wonderful interview. I hope you also interview Justice Party candidate Rocky Anderson who is fighting the same battle.

  • Mike D

    “The majority of the American people, without programs like yours, would not know they had any options.”
    - Cheri Honkala, Green Party VP Candidate

    One of the most deflating moments I’ve seen on television was Margaret Warner interviewing six undecided voters on the Newshour after the Democratic Convention. Ray Suarez had done the same after the Republican Convention.

    After blanket coverage for two weeks on PBS (which I thankfully skipped) – the result? They were still undecided! These were not Independents – we had a registered Democrat, a registered Republican. They were not really undecided but more in a state of utter despair. They saw no plan, no shared sacrifice, no acknowledgement of reality; only truthiness and personality contests and ad hominem attacks on each other.

    Then this program and I can tell you I was not undecided in the least at the end. I saw truth-telling and a lucid, clear vision for the future. The “politics of courage” instead of the politics of fear. For the first time, I felt I was being treated like an adult. We focus on the politicians but Cheri Honkala has really asked the $64,000 question regarding the media.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1809253133 Rebecca Glenn

    I agree wholeheartedly with Jill and Cheri on 99% of what they say and I admire their passion. They truly are a breath of fresh air. However, there is one crucial point I think they are missing: their premise is that money in politics is the foundation of the political system’s dysfunction. I agree but only somewhat because the premise is incomplete. Money itself is not the culprit, it is the corruption that comes with the money that is problematic. There is no reason to believe that a Stein, Nader nor any Green administration will not also succumb to corrupt forces. The problems of our country, and the world for that matter, are internal and individual. We keep looking for external solutions but they will never work until we overcome our own selves. “Why does corruption happen?” is the question we should be asking instead of “What party can save our country?”

  • Karen Ahern

    Jill Stein resonates completely with me. I can not vote for a president who orders drone killings and can not stand up to the far right corportations running the country. While Romney and Ryan terrify me, human health is at a precipice as is the health of our planet to sustain us…on those issues alone, I must vote my heart.

  • mmz

    Jill Stein is well spoken. However, i strongly disagree on two points. Her most important misconception is that we are a one party system. She doesn’t see a difference between between Ryan and Obama?!!!. Gore lost Florida by fewer votes than Nader got in Florida. We got Bush for 8 years. Stein’s misconception is dangerous to the stability of our country.

    I also am a physician, but more to the point, I’m an epidemiologist and was a grad student at UCBerkeley when Bruce Ames, a UCB biochemist, was published most of his work on environmental chemicals and cancer. Barring tobacco, Ames did not find links between environmental pollution and cancer. Ames was interviewed on PRI last week after the Stanford study which confirmed his work.His points in the interview are consistent with all of public health, which holds that the vast majority of deaths in America are due to our lifestyles (lack of physical activity, over eating and obesity) and lack of access to affordable health care.

    It’s important to know that the scientific community has never advocated organic foods to prevent cancers and that the best nutrition is achieved through eating a variety of foods.

  • http://www.facebook.com/saltlakescotty Scott Sorensen

    Michael., Have you been paying attention to the Obama administration? I would hardly call this election a battle between good and evil. I would also argue that Obama might even be the larger of the two evils in that a Republican would be facing at least some opposition from the Democrats in Washington Where Obama has simply been given a pass This administration has been a bigger threat to the rule of law and human rights than the Bush Administration. I would like to see Both Jill Stein and Rocky Anderson in the debates to high light just how similar the Democrats and Republicans are on significant issues. I have not followed Steins campaign closely but have followed Anderson and There are some real solutions to our country’s biggest problems. Unfortunately they don’t seem to be coming from the Republicans or the Democrats. We need to start looking to other parties. I voted for Obama, and have been so disappointed. He will not het my vote this time and I’m tired of everyone telling me that if he doesn’t get reelected and Romney is president it will be partly my fault for voting for a third party. That is just crap. we have got to start with Voting for the persons who represent our views that is what a Democracy is about. The lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. ..

  • Anonymous

    Enough of the 2party system charade.

    Insist Obama & Romney Debate 3rd Party Opponents
    http://youtu.be/nCZuasjnXOA

    Top 3 Dumb Excuses To Not Vote 3rd Party
    http://youtu.be/lKxrNPmMkkk

    6 Easy Steps To End The 2-Party System
    http://youtu.be/AS8cdu9ge0w

    100 Ways Mitt Romney Is Just Like Barack Obama.
    http://ivn.us/2012/07/17/100-ways-mitt-romney-is-just-like-barack-obama/

    2012 US Elections: Obamney vs. Rombama
    (NOTE: I strongly disagree with this authors conclusion to not vote when there are alternative party options).
    http://www.infowars.com/2012-us-elections-obamney-vs-rombama/

    Bush, Obama, Same Old Drama!
    http://stpeteforpeace.org/obama.html

    Obama the Conservative.
    http://www.obamatheconservative.com

    Obama 2012: The Lesser Evil?
    http://www.prx.org/pieces/78999-obama-2012-the-lesser-evil#description

    Mitt Romney: Champion of Big Government.
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/howell5.html

    Veep Pick Paul Ryan Is No Conservative.
    http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/12432-veep-pick-paul-ryan-is-no-conservative

    Paul Ryan: More Of The Same.
    http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/home/archives/5057

    Obama 2012: The Lesser Evil?
    http://www.prx.org/pieces/78999-obama-2012-the-lesser-evil#description

  • Anonymous

    Insist Media Cover Alternative Political Party Candidates http://youtu.be/LzeY1lLBsDg

  • Anonymous

    Amen. To get principled elected officials we must be principled voters.

  • Anonymous

    YouTube search:

    Insist Obama & Romney Debate 3rd Party Opponents

    6 Easy Steps To End The 2-Party System

    Top 3 Dumb Excuses To Not Vote 3rd Party

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002815981297 Mugsy’s RapSheet

    While there are few people that would be more receptive to a Green Party president then me, I must say your two guests Stein & Honkla made me *very angry*. There is a significant number of things that must be in place first before a Third Party candidacy can be taken seriously and not serve simply as a spoiler that helps bad candidates win with just 34% of the vote. It is absolutely CRUCIAL to get “Instant Run-off Voting” in ALL 50 states before we can even BEGIN to consider adding more Parties to our political process (this allows people to vote their conscious first, but specify their “second choice”, so that no one wins with less than 50% of the vote.) Second, there is NO party infrastructure in place for the Green Party. No national organization that aides candidates. No “headquarters”, no system or infrastructure. Anyone can simply call themselves “Green” and run on the ballot as their “official nominee” of their Party. Nominated by WHO? I also have no tolerance for people that continue to make the absurd claim that Ralph Nader “drew votes equally from both sides”… as if the number of Conservatives voting for the Liberal icon matched the number of Democrats. That’s ridiculous. Their argument that “we can no longer wait” to do the hard work first before risking spoiling another election is WILDLY short-sighted. Maybe THE REASON time has grown so short is BECAUSE Nader cost the most environmentally conscious presidential candidate the election, which might have prevented us from being so close to the brink, which they used to defend their haste.

    No, until someone gets SERIOUS about putting the organization & infrastructure in place FIRST, Green Party candidates will never be anything but spoilers that help the very people whose policies they disagree with most get elected.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000737887561 Patricia Parke

    A candidate for a law enforcement job whose platform is to refuse to enforce the law. This country is going to the dogs.

  • Anonymous

    If we lived in a truly free and uncensored society, we would be able to have an open debate with them all. This is not the case. And you would think America would wake up! We have to REFORM the system. Reform is the answer. Or we are in this rut with a corrupt two-party system.

  • RobertL18

    You are right this isn’t a one-party system, but the problem is it has become a duopoly. This is a term coined by Charles H. Ferguson, the author of Predator Nation: Corporate Criminals, Political Corruption, and the Hijacking of America. Ferguson defines duopoly as a situation “in which the two political parties agree violently on social issues while both serving America’s economic oligarchy and blocking the rise of third parties and reform efforts.” So on one hand it appears that the parties are polarized while on the other hand they both serve the same powerful corporate interests. Many people who voted for Obama were shocked when he appointed Larry Summers as his chief economic adviser and Timothy Gaithner as his Secretary of the Treasury but that’s because they didn’t understand we have a duopoly. Actually it made perfect sense, both parties serve the interests of Wall Street.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t take your eye off the prize… Remember how Nader votes elected Bush. People were just ignorant. Vote for Obama – he needs our vote – There will be over a $billion spent to elect Republicans – please don’t let this distract you. Green is great – but unrealistic.

  • mmz

    reply to RobertL18: Thank you for reading my comment and your response that we are, indeed, a one party nation. There are many other people on this post that agree with you.

    This is alarming. I reiterate; Ralph Nader’s message in 2000 was wrong.There was a huge difference between Gore and GWB. If you think Gore would have plunged us into the longest wars in the US at the same time as cutting taxes and given even more favors to Big Oil, the you won’t mind having Ryan/Romney for the next 4 or 8 years. I fear for America with another round of crazy and/or dumb Repugnigants.
    I also am disappointed with Obama and agree with you that his appointment of Summers and Geithner (sp?) is inexcusable. But Obama does speak out repeatedly on Citizens United, has put through the only fed health care bill and substantially increased our renewable energy sources. Read Grunwald’s book, “The New New Deal” for documentation of my statements. In his acceptance of the nomination last week, Obama said climate change is real. I haven’t heard that from the mouth of any major government worker/politician before.
    Romney, in contrast, said “corporations are people, my friend,” has been against the Affordable Care Act (before he was for it and now says he’s for some parts of it) and doesn’t believe in climate change, so what’s wrong with more coal?

    So please don’t think our country will be the same regardless of Obama or Ryan. Realistically, everyone should know no 3rd party has a chance, no matter how much you want it.
    As tight as this presidential contest is, a vote for the Green Party is a vote lost to the better candidate, by far.

  • mmz

    Bill Moyers,
    This is the first cross word I’ve ever had for you. You have always been “America’s conscience” to me.

    However, your highlighting of the Green candidates will take votes away from Obama, not from Romney. As close as the presidential contest is, we should not help Romney win. To say the two major parties are the same is to say Gore and GWB and Ryan and Obama are the same. How can anyone believe that?

    Also, I’m not impressed with Stein’s command of science. The scientific community has not found evidence that organic foods provide more nutrition or decrease the incidence of cancers. In fact, Bruce Ames (UC Berkeley biochemist) has published numerous studies to the contrary and last week Stanford published yet another study with the same conclusion. I’m speaking on this as a physician and an epidemiologist on environmental risks to cancers. .

    For Stein, a physician, to advocate for organic foods will further America’s distrust of science. The public will feel betrayed by science.

  • brooklynrose

    Should the Sons of Liberty have paid their taxes? Similar premise to your statement — not complying because you feel strongly that a mandate is unfair.

  • thank you!!

    thank you so much for this i cant express how comforting it is to know other people actually care about these issues and there is a program which bings these issues onto television where hopefully other people will see it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kathryn.dalenberg.7 Kathryn Dalenberg

    GREEN PARTY candidates Stein and Honkala totally and completely represent my values and I am even more convinced I’ll vote for them. I am putting the link to the interview all over facebook in effort to help educate others about a BEST choice in the next election.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lisa-Norman/100000151556184 Lisa Norman

    here’s a petition for that: http://occupythecpd.org/

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lisa-Norman/100000151556184 Lisa Norman

    I’m spreading the word through social media, if everyone did that, she might have a chance.

  • Anonymous

    The PBS News Hour has for years been posting the pictures of soldiers slain in Iraq and Afghanistan. Cheri Honkala noted that 8 million families have lost their homes to foreclosure.

    Starting now, how about Moyers or the News Hour start posting photos of families who have lost their homes?.

  • George Jr.

    Jill Stein has weird hair.

  • amw

    thanks for airing this Mr. Moyers. I think these two women are courageious and wish the world could hear this segment.

  • mary o

    thank you for having on the green party candidates. I live in ny and feel I can vote for them. Bill were you just a little more patronizing and condescending with the doctor would you have acted the same with a man?
    Nonetheless you are the best thing on TV. Walmart now advertises on Tavis Smiley.

  • David F., N.A.

    Great interview! Stein and Honkala answered all of Moyer’s tough questions. They clearly described the exact problems, and then offered common-sense solutions.

    These ladies have seen and lived the actual problems facing Americans, not the ones our multinational media (Fox, NBC…) has been sensationalizing in order to distract us. And instead of paying us lip-service, like our multinational corporate politicians, they are willing to actually walked-the-walk by fighting for the American people.

    I know the Stein/Honkala ticket doesn’t stand a snowball’s chance in future Antarctica, but I’m still voting for them. Because a vote for Obama or Romney is a vote for “business as usual,” and us Americans can’t take much more of this business.

  • Anonymous

    We supporters of Stein/Honkala need to take every “If only” statement we make and change it into a “Finally, now…” statement.

    Two Examples:
    1. If only we could hear 3rd parties in the debate –> change to — > Finally, now we at least have a venue that is reasonably national on which significant numbers of viewers can hear the views of 3rd party candidates who have a mathematical chance of winning the election. Thanks go to Bill Moyers, PBS, League of Women Voters, (or whomever we have convinced to take this step).

    2. If only our electoral system wasn’t so rigged. I have to vote for Obama so we don’t get Romney –> change to –> Finally, now that Stein’s polling has reached double digits due to her appearances in 3rd party debates and a growing public demand forcing the MSM to give her more coverage, I can see where it’s quite possible that this election could become a three-way race. What was said to be impossible has become possible, and now is the time for me to set aside my fears and vote my hopes and the hopes of so many other Americans.

  • Martha Orne

    I agree that voting for Jill Stein is more important than defeating Mitt Romney. We miust take the long view for the sake of our children and every generation afterward. We can’t not use our vote to start a movement that will resonate in a better world eventually. We are not ‘throwing our votes away’. We are practicing democracy and laying a foundation for a healthier system. it doesn’t matter that Jill Stein will not ‘win’. It’s not about her. it’s about us.

    Every vote for the Green Party candidate says to both parties that we will not just rubber stamp the status quo. Every vote for the Green Party says that this is the direction that we need and want to go toward. The more votes for the Green Party, the stronger the message to others to start listening. The more votes, the more it will influence The incumbent parties to tweak or even incorporate Green Party ideas into their own platforms.
    The tea party used fear and hatred and took over the Republican Party on only one election cycle. In that same cycle hope and change were overwhelmed because of a leader who did not articulate or work toward real change.
    The Green Party must be ‘steady as she goes’. More and more people will suffer from the unsustainability of our current policies and will be more open to Green Party ideas and candidates. It has happened in some European countries.

  • Browncoat

    Please consider interviewing Libertarian presidential/VP running mates Governor Gary Johnson and Judge Jiim Gray as well in your discussion of 3rd party candidates. Governor Johnson and Dr. Stein should be included in the debates, indeed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/LeMoyne-Castle/100002671483878 LeMoyne Castle

    If it doesn’t slow down the speculation then at least it will tax those who pay a greatly reduced income tax rate on capital gains/carried interest

  • Michael Colyer

    Your are absolutly correct regarding my use of “good vs evil.” As one does on these boards, I simply got lazy. In fact I tend to agree with what you are saying. and have certainly been paying attention . .

    1. Drone Strike that kill innocent children

    2. My brothers still being KIA around the world chasing the phantom menace

    3. Failure to prosecute the criminal members of the last administration

    4. Warrantless murders of US citizens

    5. Turning a cold shoulder to Iran rather than “sitting down” with them

    6. Allowing Israel to continue their brutal
    occupation of Palestine

    7. Allowing Palestinian authority to enrich friends and family with aid meant for the people

    8. Bowing to China on trade policies

    9. Allowing the big agro, big pharma, big oil, big
    coal, and BIG BANKS to ru(i)n the county

    10. And the list goes on….

    Your frustration is both warranted and shared. Unfortunately I find your solution impractical because it doesn’t address the core issue. Instead it attempts to cure a symptom. The issue we are facing in this countryand the ONLY issue we should be focused on at this time (Moyer’s does this well) is clearly private money in politics. You will absolutely NEVER get your third party voted for if they aren’t heard. You will absolutely NEVER get them heard if the media is allowed to accept money for political advertising. Money is not speech because if it is then speech isn’t free and I may as well be mute! In the end Scott, we have to fix the problem with the tools we have on hand. Once we get to the mechanic we can use all the tools available.

    At this point, for me, this race is about personal freedoms. I consider myself a died-in-the wool “Gun totin’ tree hugger.” Citizens deserver every single personal freedom that does not encroach on other citizen’s ability to enjoy the same. Romney has derived too much support from the religious right wacko’s for me to have anything to do with him. And his trust in the “human” nature of orporations is laughable! He cannot be elected! Trust me brother it CAN get worse!

  • Michael Colyer

    The tax would have to be means tested so that it could be recovered by small, middle class, investors at the end of the year.

  • Tom Westheimer

    we need to escape the Republocrats! Great stuff

  • Arizona Mildman

    These ladies need to be in the audience at the Presidential debates.

  • Danna

    Thank you Bill, for a thoughtful interview (as usual). I have been giving some thought to your question re: third parties. I see more and more cropping up. I think we could be more creative with the potential of coalitions. It is a mind-bending complexity we are attempting to manage, and some specialization to focus thoroughly on a given set of challenges, a necessity. I agree with Ms. Stein in her identification of Government Reform as structurally, the required foundation to lay at this time. Perhaps a coalition of third parties is the next step; similar to Great Britain. I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I have a gut feeling we are missing an opportunity due to lack of imagination.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mark.darling.oversoul Mark Darling

    Not having Nader in the debates in 2000 was SUCH a lost opportunity to educate tens of millions of voters with ideas they would not have been exposed to otherwise. And of course that is precisely why he was denied inclusion.

  • Richard Phillips

    I think Jill Stein would agree that the USA could be energy independent right now, ending the oil wars in the middle east if we simply recognize the elephant in the room that says we not only must to maintain this extravagant, party life style but expand it. If we simply used whatever energy we can produce domestically and live within our means, not expecting to drive/fly all over the country/world as no generation has before us, lived in smaller homes as our grandparents did, drove smaller cars, less frequently, and fewer miles in carefully planned use, there’d be no need or motivation to control the oil fields of Iraq and Iran, to occupy those countries, or to dominate their societies that causes the tensions we know, today.

  • Kathy

    be careful about saying never…………..perhaps rarely is a better statem

  • http://www.facebook.com/Gingit4 Audrey Coulter

    I live in Louisiana and it will be voting Republican. I’ve always wanted to vote for the Green party and this is the year I will be doing so. They will probably be left out of the debates this year which tells me that we are not a democratic society. Spoke about the Green party and Jill stein with a 57 year old woman today she she said she had never heard of the party or of Dr. Stein. How tragic!

  • RobertL18

    I never implied that the country would be the same whether Obama or Romney win. In our duopoly the parties disagree on many social and environmental issues, that’s why it is so deceptive. The point is that no matter who wins the Wall Street banks and large corporations will still be served by both parties rather than the people. I believe most people would be better off if Obama wins but that is not good enough. Real change is needed. You are right that third parties now have no chance and that is because they are strongly opposed by both major parties. It is very hard to get on most state ballots, almost impossible to get into the debates, etc. Therefore, many important issues are never discussed during campaigns in the media. The two major parties cannot be reformed so that the politicians serve the people rather than the big banks and corporations because most of their money comes from the same sources, therefore, the only alternatives for the people to be once again served by the government is a third party that doesn’t take corporate money or some massive grassroots movement. I think a vote for Jill Stein of the Green Party or Rocky Anderson of the Justice Party is one way to no longer support the duopoly and become part of a movement to take back the government from Wall Street and the corporations.

  • mmz

    Robert18,

    I completely agree with you that corporate interests rule; I’ve written so many letters to the ed against our oligarchy.

    I also agree that presidents of either party are very similar. That is, until the present era, perhaps starting with Reagan. It’s not your grandfather’s Rep party anymore.

    I won’t argue with you on a Ryan vs Obama presidency since I don’t have a crystal ball. So let’s think GWB vs Gore. I’ll say it again, GWB put in tax breaks (because Clinton had turned our deficit into a surplus, so Georgie said give the money back to the people) and almost simultaneously started two costly wars of choice. I looked at some graphs of our national debt and it really sky rocketed in the GWB years. Do you really think Gore would have been so foolish? I don’t.

    Would Gore have nominated Roberts to the Supreme Court? NO. Thanks to Georgie, we’ve got that Citizens United decision.

    It doesn’t take a crystal ball to figure the effect of Romney vs Obama on the composition of the Supreme Court. The next president will have one and maybe two Supreme Court nominations to make. Do you really think Romney and Obama would appoint the same type of legal scholar? I don’t. A Romney presidency may well get us 7 conservative vs 2 liberal judges. UGH!

    Ryan and Romney (on some days) vow to overturn the Affordable Care Act. Obama will defend it to the death, since that’s his legacy. Yes, the ACA maintains and further enriches private HMO’s and the pharmaceutical industries. However, it took a Dem president to get rid of the pre-existing condition on private health insurance. The Rep say he took billions from Medicare, but that’s the amount that private HMO’s and hospitals overcharged the government. The savings will go to Medicare Part D (the donut hole), another unfunded plan of Georgie’s. What I see is Obama chipping away at the powerful medicine for profit industry.He got what he could for our first national health care; it doesn’t have to be the final product.

    Obama’s also increased our renewable energy sources. He’ll continue changing the balance of fossil vs renewable fuels. Powerful corporations, like drug addiction, doesn’t change overnight and it’s not easy or fast. Romney has stated he’ll go back to good old fossil fuels. I think he’ll add greatly to climate warming. How can you possibly say a Romney and Obama will be the same oligarchy? We’ll still have an oligarchy, but one guy will strengthen corporate control, the other will at least oppose this trend and maybe even reverse it.

    We have a new breed of Repugnicants that are nothing like those of the last generation. I don’t hear Nader reiterating his theme that there’s no difference between the two major parties.

    The British have a parliamentary system that allows multiple parties. I heard an analysis that our system really doesn’t accommodate this. I’m not a political scientist, but there may be a reason that we’ve never had a sustainable third party.

    This may be a bit garbled, but I’m getting together with neighbors to go to Ohio to fight for Obama, We’re in Ca and decidedly blue. I’m that worried that Ryan will be in the White House. Please, NO!

  • lnda y

    Thank you Bill Moyers for this interview as well as all that I have watched/listened to through the years. They are always interesting, thought provoking and mind- expanding.

  • Christina

    Thank you Mr. Moyers for allowing Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala to speak!!!! These women are inspiring and I WILL be voting Green this November.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Dianne.E.McCarthy Dianne McCarthy

    “Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.” – Jerry Garcia Jill and Cheri have my vote!!
    Vote Green where you can and Democrat where you must!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lawrence-Kelley/717881317 Lawrence Kelley

    Wonderful interview! Listened via WAMC (Albany public radio) today. Way more deserving of the public’s attention than Ron Paul or the Republican team.

  • LED

    About Nader: This idea that Gore lost because of Nader is fabricated and categorically false. Like the Citizens United decision, the Supreme Court decided Gore V Bush, in Bush’s favor in 2000. Nader had absolutely nothing to do with it.

  • blu

    once elected…what do they do with congress?

  • Michele

    Yes!!! Lets listen to all the candidates and what they have to say.We need to infuse our political system with intelligent debate and innovative solutions to the many challenges that face America.

  • http://twitter.com/MootsaGootsa Michael Micelli

    You might get that chance thanks to Gary Johnson and Judge Jim Gray. The just filed an anti trust suit against the republicans, democrats, and the election debate commission.

  • Victoria Weaver MS RD LD

    Making American Health Care Affordable and Healthy Again. I love capitalism and freedom but people are not products for profit but rather one of our greatest resources. Great Interview! Share the message:) Social Media has helped level the playing field for grassroots!

  • http://www.facebook.com/lynnlwilliams Lynn Williams-Porreca

    LOVE them…..Stein has my vote….spread the word. If you want a candidate who is real,
    this is her……..

  • Eilif Verney-Elliott

    Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala both address the major ontological and sociopolitical issues of our time; the creeping fascism of both the Democratic and Republican parties needs to be exposed by a multiplicity of parties and independent individuals.

  • Eilif Verney-Elliott

    Yes! Fire Wall Street!

  • Sally L.

    If you study the ACA, seniors will only get a few hundred dollars to help them with the donut hole now and it is not until 2020 that the cost of drugs will be reduced to 25% of the retail costs! The drug companies will continue to increase the cost of drugs. This is unacceptable. I know a woman that has monthly drugs costs of $500 for containment of cancer. In Canada the same drug costs 20% of the cost in the US and our military negotiates with the drug companies to get similar cut rate prices for the US military. We are the only major industrialized country whose government does not negotiate fair prices for drugs for its populace.

    I have spoken with small renewable energy contractors and they are not growing their businesses. Obama has given money to utility companies to set up solar and wind farms and to transmit this energy elsewhere. The government has selected companies that would receive funding and loans and many were donors to his campaign and some have gone bankrupt. Secretary Chu headed a $500 million dollar research facility at UC Berkeley that was funded by BP to do bioenergy research. Obama jumped into the Gulf just weeks after the BP spill and swam with his daughter saying it was fine and ate the seafood. Subsequently studies have found many adverse impacts on sea life. The Department of Interior is leasing out public lands for fracking. This administration has many conflicts of interest.

    I just heard a medical doctor interviewed in NPR on the epidemiology of coal and he said the studies now are showing correlations with Alzeheimers and other diseases and it is the next smoking gun after tobacco. There is no “clean coal” or “clean nuclear” energy as Obama tells us about. Clean coal would cost 40% of the energy produced to filter out contaminants. The mining industry is also environmentally unsound. Over 30% of the children in Fukishima area have nodules on their thyroid glands and the containment of the radiation is still not solved and huge amounts have leaked into the earth and ocean. Obama received huge amounts of funding from the pharmaceutical and nuclear energy industries. A new nuclear plant was approved for $8 billion in North Carolina. The medical doctor said that the sun can provide 11000 X our current energy needs. But we are not developing this industry at a home and business scale that is affordable. Instead we are building huge transmission lines to transfer energy through Wisconsin now to the east coast from the plains states where there are a few wind farms and fossil fuel-fired plants.

    While I am not a supporter of Ryan, he seems to have represented his community with integrity. He is right about the solvency of many important programs like Medicare.

    Clinton deregulated the stock market in 1999 and there was a loss of jobs nationally just before Bush took office and so the blame cannot be all attributed to Bush. Under Bush jobs were restored. Clinton did many things that set the country up for the financial crisis. Both parties have contributed to the mess we are in now. No one talks about the $16 trillion that the Fed loaned at zero percent interest to all the big banks and many companies starting in 2007 and ending in 2010. These banks could relend this money using quantitative easing and thus the money in circulation and interest gained by these institutions was potentially enormous. These are the same organizations that were bailed out later with TARP money. Sen. Bernie Sanders deserves credit for uncovering this, but because the same persons who ran this banking system are also part of the current administration and have ties to organizations that were assisted in money swaps such as the NYFed etc., there was no wrong doing found in the GAO report. Further these is no discussion of this in terms of how these institutions were impacted in stress tests etc. All a whitewash to make the public think that there is transparency and regulation. In the mean time 8 million people lost their homes and nearly 10 million lost their jobs and 25 million are still trying to find jobs and 50% of new college graduates cannot find jobs when we have so many problems to solve. A work program is a direct solution and tax credits do not stimulate job creation.

    Obama says that he has filed many lawsuits against all kinds of organizations, institutions and countries but we still have not cleaned up most of the superfund sites due to lengthy litigation that has gone on for decades. I am not sure that this is going to be an effective approach.

  • angel

    I heard they she was arrested trying to get into one of the debates. That’s pretty sad that the establishment is so afraid of people hearing the truth.

  • ErnestineBass

    Misinformed corporate bootlickers like you are the reason I quit the Democratic party in 1992.

  • ErnestineBass

    Three out of every five foreclosures are being carried out based on fraudulent paperwork.

  • Anonymous

    Bootlicker – hmmmm – I’m glad the likes of you skiddaddled along your way

  • ErnestineBass

    The dominance of neoliberals within the Democratic Party have reduced it to nothing more than a pale imitation of corporate Republicans.
    You people will be howling for the neoliberal Obama’s head once he signs away the last vestiges of our national sovereignty with the Trans-Pacific and European Trade agreements.