Interactive Map: Voucher Schools Teaching Creationism

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This week on Moyers & Company, 19-year-old education activist Zack Kopplin joins Bill to talk about his campaign to get creationism out of science classes in publicly funded schools. He discovered that students attending private and parochial schools in states with school voucher programs were taught creationism in addition to — or, in some classrooms, instead of — the theory of evolution.

Using data* compiled by Kopplin, this map shows private schools that accept state vouchers and teach creationism. Hover over each dot to read Kopplin’s findings on that school. To zoom in, double click on the map or use the map tools that appear in the upper left corner.

* Note: Arizona opens its voucher program to all private institutions, but does not release a list of schools that choose to participate. On this map, Arizona schools that teach creationism are marked to indicate that they are likely receiving taxpayer money through vouchers, but the state has not confirmed that they are. All research by Zack Kopplin, Creationist Voucher database

Kopplin identified many of the schools in this map by the science textbooks they use to teach their students. Among them are books by the publishers Accelerated Christian Education (ACE), A BekaBob Jones University PressApologiaPurposeful DesignConcordiaAlpha Omega, Landmark’s Freedom Baptist CurriculumChristian Schools International (CSI) and The Foundation for American Christian Education (FACE).

Last fall, a Louisiana state judge ruled that public funding for private religious schools is unconstitutional, but the decision is under appeal and vouchers continue to help students pay for private religious schools in that state and in several others.

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Kopplin's research database contains additional details that he uncovered and links to the curriculum taught at many of the schools. If you suspect a school is receiving taxpayer-funded vouchers and teaching creationism, tip Kopplin off by leaving a comment on his website or emailing him.

Learn more about how you might help Kopplin in his fight to keep creationism out of science class in our take action section.

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  • Ric Gerace

    Looks like a plague map.

  • Anonymous

    I am an evangelical, one who does not believe in the literal 6 days. However, irrespective of the so called plea for tolerance from the left, find the left’s fight on this question to be a thinly veiled vindictive hatred of religion. Does it really matter if some believe the Bible to be literally authoritative on this? Should we not strive to be inclusive to advance the mutual desire for the betterment of mankind? No, as some would say, we want total adherence to our world view that orthodox Christianity is contrary to our beliefs and must be condemned. I must say you are being narrow minded in your insistence all must agree with you. Sound familiar? It should, you have been saying that for years about orthodox Christians.

  • Simon

    Opposition to Creationism isn’t a “thinly veiled vindictive hatred of religion”, it’s an attempt to stop religious (or any other) zealots screwing up kids’ science education by telling them what are known to be lies. If you want to be “inclusive”, how would you feel about someone telling your kids that the fossil record proves that Satan is Lord?

  • Steve Laudon

    I don’t believe it’s a “hatred of religion” as much as it’s “keep YOUR religion in church, and out of the science classroom.” ‘Creation Science’ is an oxymoron. It’s NOT science. It’s an opinion, a belief, not based in scientific reality. Teaching this stuff as science, undermines each child’s education and puts them at a disadvantage educationally. It’s part of the reason the US is falling behind the rest of the world in the sciences.

  • Anonymous

    Satan is Lord? I am clueless what this means.

  • Anonymous

    Creationism, or Biblical Christianity? That is the reason our kids are behind in math and science? Really? Do you really believe that?

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  • JSneezewell

    No small wonder where most of these “schools” show up..and where they don’t. I’m not entirely clear whether the funding for these programs comes from state taxes or these programs are federally funded. If the latter, then we all need to step up and demand this practice is stopped! Seems these people are always demanding separation of church and state, when it comes to the rest of us being required to accept their version of things as the universal imperative, as some alleged offshoot of “religious freedom”..but when it comes to that “devil-tainted” government money, boy, don’t they just belly up to the public bar with a ravenous thirst!

  • JSneezewell

    Certainly one factor! Learning to “think” is or should be the primary goal of any educational institution..THE fundamental upon which all study in any discipline should be based! Education is not just parroting information..let alone myths and fables..only to repeat them mindlessly! That certainly would not get you too far in the world-wide academic community. You must learn to evaluate and challenge virtually everything that comes your way..dig, research, explore and..yes..even take the “devil’s advocate” position on things! Otherwise, you can never trust yourself or your logic. Religionists, however, take it all “on faith”..the antithesis of mental exercise. I’ve always felt that, if valid, any theory..including any religious theory or “faith”..will stand the test of least as far as it pertains to the believer. What are you people so afraid of?

  • JSneezewell

    What is an “orthodox” Christian? Curiously, every Christian one speaks with considers his or her own brand of Christianity to be the “orthodox” matter how much one differs from the other. Time and time again, I’ve heard it expressed by reasonable people that NO ONE cares what or how you believe..have at it..just so long as you quit trying to “persuade” everyone else they must go along with you! That dogmatic, doctrinaire, “evangelical” part of your religion is JUST what makes it so objectionable to the rest of society..and the world! It should be obvious that it’s self-defeating, as well. Look at these fools in LIbya..”missionaries” who’ve found themselves arrested for their actions in attempting to convert the populace! Gee..what a shock! Dear God..WHY would they do such a thing..arresting these good people with nothing but love in their hearts! Doesn’t it occur to you that by stuffing your leaflets in others’ faces, practically strong-arming one and all to “hear the word of the Lord”..telling all comers that their religion is garbage and only you have the True only mange to come off as obnoxious, narrow-minded, disrespectful, condescending tyrants?? You someone who, as a child and teenager, bounced from church to church until I reached such a level of disgust at the hypocrisy and overbearing arrogance of all these “good folk”, so intent on chalking up their “converts” on the Celestial Tote Board (to assure they’d have an “in” on one of those condos on some gold-paved street..or maybe eternal membership at that Country Club in the Sky), I swore I’d never again set foot in a church, save for other people’s funerals and weddings..I’d have to ask..whatever happened to “Actions speak louder than words”? OH..but that’s the “hard way”, I guess! It’s now fifty years later, and the only thing I’ve ever regretted about that decision is that I didn’t come to make it sooner! What a waste of good intentions! Be assured, I’ve determined that ALL churches are the same..all political, social, money-grubbing businesses, at heart..all set on minimizing (even if subtly) every other denomination, let alone those religions not even under the umbrella of “Christianity”, God forbid! Theirs is the “only” true way..and therein lies the Big Lie! When we see religionists (True Believers) start to behave with true respect for others..content to live their lives with true charity, kindness and care for ALL people and creatures on this know, actually following the teachings of Jesus and many other great people, then maybe you can get back to calling yourselves Christians..let alone “orthodox”!

  • myvoice

    This is about whether or not our tax dollars should be used to have religious belief taught as science. It’s not about how anyone feels about religion. Public schools are no place to teach dogma.

  • texasquire

    look out, Texas! it’s a trap! they’ve got us surrounded!

  • Anonymous

    Actually “orthodox Christianity” does have an accepted body of belief that even Mr Moyers I suspect knows for he studied it. As for “hatred of religion”.. you certainly are testifying to your own.

  • David Sanchez

    Ironically, science may also be founded upon “faith” until there is sufficient evidence to prove otherwise. Science primarily bases its conclusions on what is seen and observable. For instance, the Life Sciences – Macroevolution (or organic evolution) is the belief that life, through natural processes (which has never been observed) produces increasing and inheritable complexity. It may be termed the “molecules-to-man theory’,If macroevolution occurred, then transitional fossils and intermediate species would be seen. There is no evidence. Upward change or complexity of species, as evolutionists theorize does not exist.
    On the other hand, Microevolution involves a horizontal and even downward change (genetic entropy). Creationists believe Microevolution + time will never produce macroevolution. But they agree that natural selection occurs only in slight variations and will not result in macroevolution.
    I have found there is substantial historical evidence of Jesus resurrection from the dead, and there have been recent archeological findings in the Middle East of ancient biblical cities.
    Don’t misunderstand me. At best, science has its important place in learning and should never be removed from our curriculum. But it is a practical science and should never seen as a means of learning truth as Evolutionists propose.
    Truth I believe is only found in Christianity through Divine revelation. As Jesus said, “I am The way, The Truth and The Life, no one comes to the Father but through Me'”. (John 14:6). In a very good sense the Bible has a monopoly on truth. It is God’s Word that must be believed. Science is discovered and applied and is not based on revelation.

  • Richard Johnson

    I teach history. Can I teach the CSA won the Civil War?

  • Stan Theman

    Creationism books? Very much like Jeffrey Dahmer coming out with a cookbook…:)

  • Connie Williams

    After the three ‘R’s’, education is largely teaching children to be critical thinkers. To only teach creationism is to cripple future generations. Before you know it, we’ll be burning people at the stake.

  • Peter L. Sutphen

    “Ironically, science may also be founded upon “faith” until there is sufficient evidence to prove otherwise. ”

    You’ve got this completely backwards. Science supports it’s truth assertions with empirical evidence. As further supportive or contradictory evidence is discovered the truth assertions evolve to include this new evidence. And I agree with you that science should not be removed from our school curriculum (please!). But when you bring in metaphysical constructs such as “Divine revelation” you’ve left science and all rational thought process behind. Please get out of the science department. Thank you.

  • Christopher R Weiss

    A plague on education.

  • Magpie54

    Some of the notes just say that a school teaches that God created the universe – you can believe that and still believe in evolution of the species. Those aren’t mutually exclusive. Public money shouldn’t be going to a religious institution, period, but its worth making a distinction between religious sects that support science and those that don’t.

  • Mike Phx

    Much of this information is news to me…I’m embarrassed to admit. The embarrassment is made deeper in as much as I’m an AZ resident. This state refuses to give out information regarding the spending of tax payer dollars, eh? That needs to get fixed.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, that stake burning is always a concern.

  • Anonymous

    I’m truly stunned seeing all those in Ohio where I live.

  • cowboyally

    Absolutely. Do you not see the connection?

  • Pat Thompson

    Christian religions are more obsessed with the imaginary Satan they use to rationalize unconstructive thoughts and behavior and give themselves purpose, than they are with Jesus. In religion, Satan is Lord…

  • Anonymous

    So the terrible performance of our public school students in math and science is somehow related to Christianity ? No, I do not see the connection. In our local schools, the two private Christian schools turn away students who battle to get in. They are out performing the public schools in all areas of study, including science. One school, a small Catholic school, has a 100% college admission rate and an impressive alumni which includes doctors, accountants, lawyers. Watch the state academic competitions and you will probably find that the Christian schools are there winning in disproportionate numbers against secular schools.That is true in our state. So, no, I see no connection between christian belief and the decline of pour public education and competitiveness of our students.

  • Jody Ellis

    “Help” My state has Pox!

  • Barry Marks

    It’s certainly not the only reason but it is a big part of it. It does instill negative feelings towards science and math. I think partially because of the threat to people’s belief systems science and math seems to create and the trend for people to look at most things as an either/or matter.

  • Mike Avery

    Catholic schools tend to teach hard science, not this nonsensical creation science and intelligent design stuff. They keep religion in religion classes and science in science classes.

    Former Pope Benedict declared there is no conflict between science and religion. We tend to look askance at the religious authorities who tried to reign in science and have Galileo declared a heretic. Now. it’s our own religious fundamentalists who are following the same path. It was the wrong path then, it’s the wrong path now.

  • CJSeymour

    I’m usually impressed with the commentary on Bill Moyers’ site, even when a hot debate erupts, but this one is appalling. How can anyone equate the desire to NOT have tax revenues perverted by fanatical religionists to foist a disproven myth onto school children at the taxpayer’s expense … with being anti-relgious? No, it’s anti-intelluctualism running amok. We need to recognize this juvenile practice of accusing one’s exposer of the same sin as a childish tactic for shouting down the truth when religious myth is challenged by science.

    I fear we have been so deluged by shocking and disgusting behaviors–a decade of simple-minded spoilers on a rampage–that we cannot even remember the common rules of discourse, much less civility. I suppose we have the internet to thank for that. Time was, if one aspired to sit at the debate table, one bothered to learn a subject to the heart of it, and examined themselves to find where they lacked intellectual validity, and then, with all their strength and commitment, filled those gaps until they fully earned the right to sit in that chair. It was not an open invitation. Opinion was based on fact, but held distinct from fact, and we knew the difference.

    The world probably lost important voices that were never heard as a result of that formal process, but at least we knew when a better idea was being presented. We recognized wisdom and brilliance when we saw it. And that was the point–to arrive at the highest and best idea–not merely to flash ego in public. This process gave us Bill Moyers. Today, any idiot can grab a microphone and be vile on-air for the degenerate amusement of a few thousand semi-literate consumers.

    People once had the sense to be embarrassed when they violated the rules of proof and logic, not to mention civility, and then, would apologize. A people who cannot apologize will never grow beyond their mistakes, and will remain emotionally stunted as a result. We have glorified the anti- so much that we no longer know along which path lies suffering and death, and along which path lies greatness, prosperity, and evolutionary gain for the species.

    You are correct, Ric Gerace: this is a plague map. Someday, social anthropologists will use it to chart the decline of the west. “It all began,” they will say, “when the people traded value for vanity … when the Truth was greedily sacrificed for 15 minutes of fame.”

  • Anonymous

    Kinda got a broad brush there Pat. At least I now understand what your saying but you are very far removed from the world of the greater majority of Christians. Stay in your trenches and throw grenades. You remain without a clue of how most Christians think or act.

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  • Anonymous

    Just like ‘reverse discrimination.’ I can’t believe I was trying to explain to my 17 year old daughter that you can’t discriminate against the ruling class. That’s why they call it the ruling class.

  • CJSeymour

    I lived in Ohio for 10 years and am not at all surprised to see plague map dots all over it. A few concerned mothers and I formed a civil action group to challenge WCPO’s “Uncle Al The Kiddy’s Pal Show” because of such on-air treacle as his explanation for why Pocahontas had red skin … because she was kissed by John Smith. It was a land of stunning opposites–rampant 20th Century racism in the same town that meant freedom for many runaway slaves. Great intellectual honesty can be found there despite its abundant ignorance; major artistic institutions thrive in a predominantly blue collar community. All extremes meet in Ohio.

  • Pat O’brien

    I can tell you absolutely that catholic schools teach hard science and evolution and that the bible is open to interpretation….There is a huge difference in catholic schools and fundamentalists schools that teach creationism and unfortunately for catholic schools most people don’t distinguish

  • exflatlander

    Required reading should be the book” The Great Agnostic”, Robert Greene Ingersoll, who fought this battle in the late 1800s and would be totally astonished to know that we’re still fighting it 120 years later. Rick Perry publically welcomed the support of a very influential minister who said that the first amendment referred to freedom of religion “for Christians”, not for anybody else. Women are being denied access to family planning across the country on religious bases, and even in my own liberal Vermont a woman has been vilified for reminding the people of her town that starting Town Meeting with a prayer was a violation of the state as well as the national constitutions. Religious oppression is right there waiting for us to let down our guard, and so many think that just because they don’t ascribe to any religion they don’t have to worry.

  • exflatlander

    Creationism is based on nothing more than a few chapters of the Hebrew bible, and even the Jews consider it nothing more than an instructional fable.

  • exflatlander

    When you consider the political football public education has become, and the vitriol that fundamentalist Christians have directed towards it, yes, it IS one very important reason why kids reject what their teachers tell them. After all, their parents, their pastor, their Congressmen, and even their former president tell them otherwise and mock and otherwise denigrate their teachers’ educational background. Reminds me of how the Nazis started out by vilifying college professors and burning any books they didn’t like. Like the ones that would threaten their power.

  • CV in Cincy

    I live in the Cincinnati area and am appalled at how much of our tax monies are going to charter and religious schools; I feel these institutions are clearly unconstitutional and should be abolished. Do some of them perform very well? Of course they do. This alternate school system allows parents – using public school funds – to afford safer or smarter or more religious schools for their kids.. These schools can pick and choose their students and have many fewer rules and reporting requirements than public schools, and considerably less oversight.. With very few exceptions, these “private” schools using tax dollars do NOT perform better, and in this area many perform much worse – yet they continue to get our taxes. And why wouldn’t public schools sometimes suffer compared to some charter schools? They have to take every kid in their district, regardless of liabilities that would keep them out of the charter schools. And worse: these special “private” schools are drawing to themselves huge sums of money that the public schools formerly had to teach their kids. Now the pool of funds is significantly reduced and – along with drastic budget cuts and our governor’s big program that allows novice teachers into classrooms where experienced teachers lost their jobs during the financial crisis – the school systems are suffering. A lot of the problems with education in this state are directly due to the funding mess! Allowing public monies to support religion-based schools is wholly contrary to the purpose of a PUBLIC (rather than a religion-based) school system.

  • Chad Anthony

    Evolution is also an opinion or should we say a best guess for some without the idea or faith in or of a creator. Leave private schools to their own devices and leave atheist dominated public school teachings to heathens.

  • What the hell

    You are aware that evolution has as much proof for it as gravity does right? Evolution is a -theory-. That word might be scary and confusing for someone as retarded as you but let me put it to you this way: Evolution is as much “opinion” as gravity is. Or germ theory. Or atomic theory. The word “theory” is a big deal. The sad part is that you cannot comprehend how stupid you and your like-minded brethren are. I am frankly amazed you can operate a comptuer, or even know how to breathe.

  • cipher

    As soon as you use the term “the left”, you reveal your bias.

    Does it really matter if some believe the Bible to be literally authoritative on this?

    Yes, it does. Conservative evangelicalism is a collection of beliefs that cause its adherents to hold back the progress of civilization.

    It should, you have been saying that for years about orthodox Christians.

    There’s a difference; we don’t believe you’re going to hell for making the wrong choices.

  • cipher

    Sean, you made this request in another thread pertaining to this segment as well. As the moderator, you are certainly within your rights to ask this, but why don’t you try directing it toward those who start these altercations – specifically, the creationists? To address everyone as though we are all equally guilty is, frankly, offensive.

  • cipher

    You really are clueless.

  • lanier

    Not one comment about the real issue here. And it is called “Separation of Church and State”. What don’t you people get about that. You can teach anything you wish to your brainwashed children, but you can’t use State or Federal tax dollars to do it with. Period!

  • Anonymous

    I am skeptical that all the schools listed in Indiana are charter schools that can accept vouchers and taxpayer money. There are a bunch of private conservative Christian schools listed. I looked at a couple websites and do not believe they are qualified as charter schools under the Department of Education. If I am wrong I would be glad for someone to correct me.

  • Brent Taylor

    The whole point of vouchers is that schools are free use their own methods, and people choose which school they want to send their kids to. If you don’t like it, use your voucher elsewhere.

  • Mona Lawrence

    It makes me ill that there are people that hate education so much they want to usurp the process with this religious creationism. IT is not science it is religion!! It does not belong in schools. Kids spend 6 hours a day in school, That leave18 hours for parental religious propaganda!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Several people on this forum seem to think that advocating for strict separation between church and state means we hate Christianity. No. I think Christianity is a ginormous cult, yes, but I don’t hate it or anyone who wants to spend time down that rabbit hole. What I really hate is that tax our dollars, which we have no choice about paying, are also going down that rabbit hole. We’re paying for local franchises of this billion-person cult to teach its young its myths and blend the line between those myths and the hard evidence of physics and chemistry and biology. It’s absurd. I object. It’s unconstitutional. It should be stopped by by lawsuits. I’d be surprised there one isn’t moving through the courts now.



    Creationism…Used to instruct the simpleminded of ancient times

    I guess some have remained simpleminded throughout history

    and they seem to have all found peace in the USA

  • Jovina

    Texas isn’t shown on the map; and yet, Texas purchases so many books that it holds sway over what is published. Texas wants creationism taught in the science department.

  • Anonymous

    To me it is worse than just spending tax dollars on this cult, but the fact that in doing so we graduate students who are so ignorant of science as to make this country less competitive besides making us a laughing stock in the world. The only way for our country to be competitive economically is for more students to understand real science, not religion masquerading as science.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, but if people want to send their children to religious schools to be indoctrinated they shouldn’t get to use taxpayer funding to do so. It’s not about not liking what people are using their vouchers on, but it is about direct government funding of religious institutions. That is a clear violation of the first amendment.

  • Anonymous

    I am disgusted, but not surprised. I live in suburban Ohio in a small “city” that is an hour or two from any major city. The way I hear people talk about religion, and specifically in anti-Semitic and racists ways here is something I hadn’t heard since the 60s and is one reason that I am moving out of this backwards State as quickly as I can. I believe it might be better in some of the big cities, but this State has a long way to go to move into the 21st century. The rural areas remind me of Alabama more than any Northern State.

  • Anonymous

    In Texas you can….

  • Ramey Maxwell

    why teach people something that will give them a disadvantage to their future?

  • jrumor

    i am fine if they teach creationism…as a myth. just like flat earth, great for a history class, or fictional reading.

  • Jason Morgan

    imagine what the South would be like if they had won…

  • Jason Morgan

    when someone says God created the universe, ask which god… or start talking about Zues, Odin, or some similar creation.

  • Jason Morgan

    this is one purpose of religion… to create more devotees who will contribute money in the future.

    imagine if no one exposed to religion until they were 18 years old… the religions would die out fast.

  • Jason Morgan

    vouchers are not bad… but they should not be allowed at religious sponsored schools

    if it is okay to use a christian school, how about a jewish school, or a muslim school, etc.? why not? then the state is endorsing a church.

  • Jason Morgan

    it helps the church get money from them in the future.

  • Jason Morgan

    other states are pulling away from texas approved texts… thankfully. hopefully switching to ebooks which are cheaper to publish and lighter to carry.

  • obadiah lynch

    “Genetic entropy” sigh. Back to freshman biology for you, David.

  • Anonymous

    No … creationism and Biblical Christianity are symptoms of a greater problem … school boards that oppose science and rewrite texts to comport with personal religious and social views vs. educational needs.

  • scrzbill

    I had a teabircher tell me that science is theory. I tried to explain that all science comes from theories but not all theories become facts. Repeated events are facts. Creationism is not fact based but faith based and if he wanted to homeschool his children with Creationism instead of science, he was guilty of child abuse.

  • Anonymous

    The Left???? What about all the Christians who identify as such and identify Jesus and Christianity as being “left” as well? Are you saying they hate themselves? Inclusive? Of pseudo-Christian ideas that make no claim of being fact rather than being entirely faith based? Including belief as if it were fact betters no one, including those who take the bible as the literal truth.

  • scrzbill

    Explain substantial evidence. I notice you did not say empirical evidence. Why shouldn’t science try to explain evolution if evidence exist? Because it would upset the Cardinals in Rome. They were against the world being round, the sun being the center of our universe, gravity. I want people not to think that faith is science. Faith is your handicap to make through life otherwise you would feel empty and obsolete. Not everyone wants to believe in heaven and hell. Many people do not accept the teachings of fear. I hope you realize that scientist have discovered a forming universe. Particles coming together around a sun to create planets. Can you grasp that with your biblical teachings of a six day creation. It is happening as science has hypothocized. So much for gawd created the universe. I personally don’t care if you need fairy dust to live, it is your choice. It should be the choice of children to be old enough to make their own decision about religion vs science.

  • scrzbill

    Making a fossil, Satan is Lord, is a lie, just like the lies Creationisn tells.

  • scrzbill

    I was going to reply but not now, thanks.

  • scrzbill

    You don’t have to hate religion to spell out the inconsistencies.

  • Anonymous

    I completely agree. However, I kindly suggest JSneezewell’s hatred of Christianity is pretty plain in his post. Religion without genuine love and humility is toxic and seems to have done much harm to JSneezewell. The greatest harm may be filling him with blind anger toward “all’ (his words) people of the Christian faith. He has closed his mind to where he can no longer hear what is being said..

  • DesertSun59

    This was the intention all along for voucher schools. It was to use PUBLIC money to teach a very narrow specific RELIGIOUS viewpoint. Anyone who believed otherwise is as deluded as are those who teach creationism as a valid origin hypothesis.

  • DesertSun59

    It is definitely one of the factors. If YOU believe that teaching religion in schools – and substituting it for sound science – will allow your children to govern effectively in the 21st century then YOU are also deluded. Look at any country that has substituted religion for government and you will see a FAILED STATE.

  • DesertSun59

    LMAO! The above screed can ONLY come from a person who is anti-science, has a visceral hatred of reality, and/or who hasn’t actually been in a science class. Science is in no way based on ‘faith’. It is based on experiment, testing, evidence, peer review and is alterable. FAITH IS BASED ON NONE OF THOSE TRAITS.

    And this: “I have found there is substantial historical evidence of Jesus resurrection from the dead”. You have not. There is no evidence to support your claim. You are lying and all of us here know that.

  • moderator

    Everyone has made their cases quite strongly, please return to discussion of the interactive map, or I will have to close the thread.

    Thank You,

    Sean @ Moyers

  • SB

    Keep Science and Religion as separate elective classes. Teach creationism all you want in one and not the other. If one wants to stay a moron they can take the religion courses and learn all the idiotic myths to their hearts content.

  • William Cross

    Absolutely. The rest of the world is passing us by in science, math, engineering and technology. Now the far right religious zealots are trying to take us back to the 19th century. Keep your faith and ideology in your home or church and stay out of my face and stay away from my kids.

  • William Cross

    We are not discussing the value of Christianity. We are telling you to keep your faith/views to yourself and not to impose them on others. You do NOT have that right. Fundamentalists and Evangelicals are primitive relics of the bible belt and the past. I grew up in the Main Stream Churches up north. I don’t agree with your emphasis and don’t want your views imposed on me nor my children. Until I came to the south, I had no idea there was a conflict with the age of the earth, the age of the universe nor the mechanism of evolution. Yet in school, we said the pledge of allegiance every day, said the lord’s prayer and took turns reading a passage from the bible (in Public School). We went to church on Sunday. There was no such thing as intelligent design nor creationism, let alone, Genesis being taught in a science class. Somehow, we turned out fine and went on (as baby boomers) to help create the greatest technological revolution this country has seen. Now you people, unconstitutionally, what to force your beliefs into the public schools (science classes). The answer is NO.

  • William Cross

    Yes, I have seen how these zealots, fundamentalists, evangelicals act ever since I moved to the South. They are hypocrites, intolerant, excessive and regressive. In no way do I associate this behavior with most Christians.

  • Anonymous

    OK, The answer is “NO”. I am sorry to ask, but what was the question?

  • William Cross

    babycheeks, the issue is all of this is your opinion and beliefs. You have no right to impose your ideology on me nor my children. It is not up to you to determine the “betterment of mankind”. Stay out of the public schools (those are paid for by the tax payers). To endorse one religious view is unconstitutional, to not include the many other religious views is discriminatory. Science is not a belief system, religion is. The home and/or the church is the appropriate venue for religion.

  • William Cross

    Perhaps. I don’t hate Christians, in fact I attend a nondenominational church. I was raised in the Episcopal church. I just find intolerable the evangelical/fundamentalist bible belt constituents. I will not have creationism/intelligent design taught in science classes. I believe in God and accept Jesus and have no conflicts with cosmology, physics, evolution nor science in general. Imagine that.

  • Anonymous

    Neither do I. May I say, God bless.

  • Anonymous

    The Roman Catholic Church does not promote creationism. Take it from a product of the system we were taught evolution. As I was taught the Bible is not a science book or a history book, it is a spiritual guide book of parables and stories to understand our relationship with God, and it must be understood and applied as such. It is the right wing fundamentalist Christians who spout creationist nonsense.

  • Anonymous

    I frequent homeschooling sites. Not too long ago, I saw a thread for Biblical based study of dinosaurs. I thought it was funny–but when I checked back a few hours later, there were quite a few resources. I really began to wonder if the parents and teachers promoting those curricula believe that dinosaurs go along with creationism? If you accept the scientific basis of fossils–and all that… including carbon-dating and the like… then how do you believe in dinosaurs? If carbon-dating is find for dating archaelogical finds in Israel…especially if they support various figures mentioned in the Bible…then why is the carbon-dating somehow suspect when used on dinosaur bones? Sigh. We really need a national secular curriculum. It amazes me that these things are not issues in other countries, but only here. Same with abortion, birth control, and sex ed. Even in Catholic majority countries, you’ll find that abortion and birth control are paid for by the state medical system.

    I’ll also add that as somebody who lives in FL, I find this map frightening–but not surprising. I would think that at bare minimum all curricula should be regulated in order to be used in state approved schools. While a long list of Christian curricula is given above, my guess is that some are better and more complete than others.

  • Renee L. Ten Eyck

    Rachel Held Evans (a Christian) wrote a good blog a while back, where
    she described how many of her Christian friends left Christianity after
    they got to colleges when they realized how they had been mislead by
    their communities and set up to fail at progressive colleges-they didn’t
    have the basic knowledge they needed to succeed.

  • Stephanie Gilley

    I think it has to be much more than what is shown on this map. What about Texas and Utah and PA, NC, MS? Come on.

  • Stephanie Gilley

    Jesus Christ get the FANATICS out of Florida they are ruining it for everybody. I love Florida I cry every time I have to leave it. Now I am afraid to visit there with Rick Scott as Governor promoting poverty and the crazy gun laws and religious nutters. So sad.

  • Anonymous

    No, obviously (though maybe not to you) it is not THE reason, nor did @5df53554dc899d0646e8f4f95b06218a:disqus claim it was. It is sad that your perception of threat in his statement blinds you to what he actually stated. Hint: He never claimed Biblical Christianity or Creationism was the reason, as you seem to think he did. Teaching it AS SCIENCE is PART OF (not “the”, but “part of the”, get it?) reason that the US is falling behind. The two are not the same. *sigh*

  • todd

    David, if you’d like to see evolution in action, as we speak, feel free to study up on HIV. The reason there is no vaccine for it is because it is constantly evolving. Flu virus, HIV, even now Polio are EVOLVING, and CAN BE WITNESSED. Your argument that “the natural process (which has never been observed)” is patently FALSE. I DO however, concede it may NOT be a natural process anymore, as human can alter genetics of both plants AND animals.

  • jonathan coffman

    Jupiter Christian website:

    Statement of Faith

    1. We believe that the Bible, both the Old and New Testaments, was inspired of God, is inerrant and is our only rule in matters of faith and practice.

    2. We believe in the unity and equality of the Trinity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

    3. We believe in the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ, in His virgin birth, in His sinless life, in His miracles, in His vicarious and atoning death through His shed blood, in His bodily resurrection, in His ascension to the right hand of the Father, and in His personal return.

    4. We believe in the person and power of Satan, the enemy of God and all believers, who wages spiritual war against God, and who will ultimately spend eternity in Hell.

    5. We believe in the creation of man by God, the total depravity of mankind through willful rebellion and the separation from God by our sins.

    6. We believe that for salvation of lost and sinful man, regeneration by the Holy Spirit is absolutely essential.

    7. We believe the Holy Spirit serves to glorify Christ by saving souls and indwelling believers at the moment of regeneration.

    8. We believe in the bodily resurrection of the dead, the saved to everlasting life, and the unsaved to everlasting punishment.

    The school has close ties to Palm Beach Atlantic University where I watched a Univ. of Florida trained Biology professor debate another professor who was trying to promote his Intelligent Design buffoonery.

  • jonathan coffman

    The Florida Resident Access Grant (FRAG) is money ear marked for private, non-profit universities and colleges in Florida. The taxpayer monies are sent to schools regardless of their opposition of homosexuality, lack of academic freedom and support of intelligent design. We need FL residents to better understand what their taxes are supporting!

  • Jason Webb

    Why don’t you include Creationist schools that don’t have any involvement with school vouchers? I was sent to a Creationist private school in California, and the fact that government vouchers weren’t involved didn’t make the doctrines they espoused any less hateful or harmful.

  • Cynthia Hodson

    Creationists PAY taxes! If evolution is true, why the need to take everyone’s money, and ban academic freedom? It appears evolutions are intolerant and unreasonable.

  • Cynthia Hodson

    Creationists PAY taxes! If evolution is true, then why the need to seize every tax dollar for education to promote evolution, and BAN academic freedom? Evolutionists appear to be intolerant and unreasonable.

  • Leslie Indresano

    The reason is there is a requirement of our Constitution that there is to be a separation of church and state. Creationism is teaching religion. Evolution is science. Science requires observation and testing. You can’t observe or prove that there was a “Creator,” right? Science (especially biology) and scientific principles are organized based on evolution theory. Note the use of the word “theory.” Theory in science means something different than how we use it in the vernacular. Their are few laws in science. Let me give you an example: Gravity is a theory.

  • Leslie Indresano

    I’m not sure what you mean by an evolutionist? Evolution is not a religion, it’s a fact – a measurable, testable, repeatable fact. Evolutionary theory (remember in science “theory” means there is mountains of evidence to support, example: gravity is theory) is how science (especially the biological sciences) is organized. It’s the foundation of science.

    Creationism is a belief. It’s the foundation of different religions. We have a separation of church and state that has been upheld in our country over and over again. Creationism simply has no place in science. It is not measurable, testable or repeatable. You can not prove God.

    This is not to suggest that Creationism isn’t a valid way to understand the world around us. There are many ways we do this. For example, there’s art, music, poetry, etc. Religion has it’s place our collective understanding, just not science. Creationism is NOT science.

  • Anonymous

    A) You won’t find the words “separation of church and state” in the constitution or the bill of rights.

    B) The first amendment says “congress make no law…establishing a religion, nor prohibit the free exercise thereof.”

    C) Using public funds to send a child to a school of choice IN NO WAY “establishes” a religion. Period, end of story. (see SCOTUS “Zelman” decision)

    Liberals love all diversity save the diversity of thought.

    Though not a “Earth-is-6000-years-old” creationist, I’ve seen “creationist” kids wipe the floor with their publicly educated counterparts, simply because they can use science facts and figures, along with better English and articulation.

    Stop worrying about whether some Christian teaches their child their religion, and start worrying about the massive destruction of human potential taking place in America’s over-funded, overstaffed, and ineffective public schools.

  • JJ042804

    There is a living prove of Evolution in everyone of us! What do you think “growing up” is?! It is a daily process of natural Evolution.

  • Anonymous

    Um. Plants do evolve. Trees and grass (which are both plants, in case you were wondering) also evolve. Our lifespans are so tiny and the changes (in plants and animals) are so gradual, we just don’t see it. Scientists see it, though, because they study this stuff. Do you? If you can give me links to even one or two peer-reviewed studies that corroborate your claim, I’d be glad to read them. Also? Plenty of Christians understand that evolution is real. It’s not un-Christian not to be ignorant.