Are laws aimed at voter fraud really enabling voter suppression? In this excerpt from their interview with Bill, Keesha Gaskins and Michael Waldman of the Brennan Center for Justice rebut common defenses of voter ID laws, including “everybody’s got a driver’s license!,” “what about public transportation!” and state requirements to make “free IDs” available.

Using new research, Waldman and Gaskins argue these laws represent “the first rollback of voting rights since the Jim Crow era.”

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