10 Big Fat Lies and the Liars Who Told Them

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Investigative journalist Chuck Lewis joined Bill recently to discuss his new book, 935 Lies: The Future of Truth and the Decline of America’s Moral Integrity, that looks at the history of government officials and media pundits speaking and repeating (and repeating and repeating) untruths to shape public opinion and policy.

The title of the book refers to the number of times President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and other top administration officials made false statements in the run-up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. But the book has a far greater scope, looking at how lies have shaped American policy over several decades.

Here are 10 notable whoppers that affected hundreds, thousands, and in some cases, millions of lives.

First up: Barack Obama on health insurance plans »

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  • rg9rts

    Its all about the money!

  • rg9rts

    Major difference between blowing up a nation or getting blown

  • NotARedneck

    Yes, for right wing trash, it is all about deflecting us away from the truth.

  • Anonymous

    How about “We do not torture”?

  • Anonymous

    When a person’s conscious dies, s/he lies, will do anything without shame or guilt. In psychology, they call them sociopaths and psychopaths…Their immediate “society” and their psyche is sick. They need medical attention. But when they are CEOs and/or very powerful, there seems to be no way to treat them. They keep on pressing their sick world on others. Unfortunately, in a democracy, any lunatic is allowed to speak. The media loves sensationalism, and there is no better sensationalism than having a sick man believing in his lunacy in spite of the evidence to the contrary…. It is like a clown talking to circus audience who know he is a clown but the clown thinks he is the king of the world…

  • Leslie MacKenzie

    Really, #1 is that some people lost inadequate health insurance and had to get better coverage? Not the million dead people in Iraq because of a lie that we and the world knew was a lie at the time? (Remember, we had UN weapons inspectors in the country telling us there were no weapons.)

  • Jackie Norton

    “In psychology, they call them sociopaths”
    - – -
    Exactly! You just described Dick Cheney. He shows no remorse that his lies about WMDs caused the deaths of 4000+ young Americans, he even seems proud of it and proclaims that if he had it to do over again, he would. He has no conscience. He is evil personified.

  • Carol Jenkins O’Neill

    President Obama and the ACA do not belong on this list.

  • https://jeffmatey.bandcamp.com/ Jeff Matey

    Good idea to put the #1 ‘big fat lie’ in the position you did – really, it pales in comparison to what follows. It reminds me how mindless this generation is. It’s that TV – always blasting, blasting, blasting, the same talking points over & over. Does anyone expect us to really think for ourselves?

  • goducks58

    It’s SO ridiculous to call President Obama’s statement a “big fat lie.” The ONLY reason it turned out to be untrue is that the health insurance companies stopped offering them. It’s such a patently false equivalency you should be ashamed. I expect more from this site.

  • https://jeffmatey.bandcamp.com/ Jeff Matey

    No it was clever. Take your lumps. OK, 4% untrue.. well that pales in comparison to 100% untrue!

  • David

    I believe that along with a King Papers site, Standford has a Tobacco Legacy file, which includes original mail and communications among the cigarette companies, plus the hearings transcripts. The cigarette companies as a whole had a marketing manager analyze their cumulative sales. They were shocked to find that wholly 50% of their market consisted of people with a mental illness. Nicotine has some neurotransmitter values that do actually help some people feel a little better. Tobacco addiction must be a lucrative market. States are still receiving multi-millions of dollars in reparations from cigarette companies.

  • David

    I heard somewhere that Reagan managed to delay release of the Iranian hostages until he assumed the presidency. He didn’t want Carter to get the credit. Note that Carter has been an international arbitrator for decades now.

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  • craig klucas

    He did not go over there, if he had he wouldn’t say that. Hey, he couldn’t make it to Vietnam either

  • NotARedneck

    Quite true. Lying in politics is nearly always to help the wealthy (through their corporations and their Military Industrial Complex) get wealthier. Those who lie for them and the journalists who don’t question them effectively all know which side their bread is buttered.

  • Anonymous

    Compared with the others, Obama’s statement about keeping your health plan is very, very mild. Why was that one included and why was it first?

  • Anonymous

    I would have shared this piece on facebook, but #1 (Obama) was not a wilful lie. Kind of silly to lump that in with the others.

  • Ben Shafer

    One of the biggest lies came from President McKinley who along with Congress who insinuated that Hawaii was annexed. It never was and the lies were repeated so often and more lies with Hawaii being a Fake State.

  • Veteran

    The ACA didn’t cancel the insurance, the insurance corps cancelled the insurance as protest to the new law.
    Obama didn’t “decide”, insurance corps did.

  • Veteran

    The ACA didn’t cancel the insurance, the insurance corps cancelled the insurance as protest to the new law.
    Obama didn’t “decide”, insurance corps did.

  • Anonymous

    The insurance companies are the death panels.

  • Anonymous

    Are McCarthy and Cruz related? Their appearance and methods seem to be more than a little bit similar.

  • Trumbull Desi

    “balance”.

  • Trumbull Desi

    Yep, it was a whopper. But the collective impact to the American people? Zero. Unlike the likes outlined in the article. Lives were at stake.

  • sababu

    “…bear his name,” not “bare his name,” which is maybe a tiny bit naughty….

  • Anonymous

    It is great to see Obama’s health insurance lie included on this list. The willful deception “if you like, you can keep it” was asserted by the President and his minions in an attempt to pump up support for the partisan ACA legislation which, if you recall, didn’t receive a single vote by the other party. This lie, it turns out, was only one of many which has contributed to deep suspicion of the honesty of the President and his team as reported in recent polling.

  • Barbara Blough

    Great shot capturing our failed, former VP’s sneering attitude toward us!! KUDOS!!!

  • Barbara Blough

    In a word, “Teaparty.” In another word, “Cheney.”

  • Barbara Blough

    I honestly believe that most of us do the best we can. We fail quite often, sometimes miserably. Many times we fail to apologize (at the very least). But our failed, former VP is in a class by himself – well, actually we need to include Rumsfeld and that whole Wolfowitz – and “EVIL” is almost to kind a word. These are my opinions, but I think we can safely let God be the judge.

  • Barbara Blough

    I honestly believe that most of us do the best we can. We fail quite often, sometimes miserably. Many times we fail to apologize (at the very least). But our failed, former VP is in a class by himself – well, actually we need to include Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz and that inner circle bunch – and “EVIL” is almost too kind a word. These are my opinions, because I think we can safely let God be the judge.

  • Anonymous

    Is he capable of not sneering? Never demonstrated any human decency I know of.

  • Albert Ross

    #2 & #3- “There’s got to be WMD’s! We sold them to him!”

  • JMax

    In my opinion what the president was trying to convey is that there is no “Obamacare” health insurance plan, no Obamacare doctors. In other words, no government plans or doctors that everyone had to move to. He should have said it better. The fact that a small fraction of the 4-5% were adversely effected by Obamacare shows how well the ACA opponents and their media allies worked.

  • TheTransAtlanticRailroad

    Interesting that it starts off with the most innocuous of the selected 10. Wondering if that’s out of a gratuitous attempt at PC because of the person cited? or a calculated tactic to set up a contrast of mendacity. The first “lie” appears to be an ill-advised bit of oversimplification devised by presumptuous “experts” and speech writers intentionally or unintentionally pandering. Maybe 2 through 10 are similar in how they were devised, but the impacts are horrifyingly different. The first greatly inconvenienced millions of junk health insurance recipients who believed they could keep their junk policies but instead were “forced” to buy minimally acceptable policies or pay a fine while remaining eligible for Medicare/Medicaid covered ER services should they become impoverished and need them. Death toll? Zero. Wounded? Zero. Felonies? Zero.

    Numbers 2 and 3 have been exposed as lies to one degree or another, either lies believed in the face of contrary evidence or known lies told intentionally to deceive the American people. Death toll? Massive. 4486 Americans. 100K to 500K Iraqis. Wounded? Tens to hundreds of thousands, or up to 2-million depending on what measures you use, and that’s just our fellow Americans. Millions of Iraqis including civilians many of whom are children. Felonies? Not sure. One for sure with Scooter Libby. Suspected but unproven with Cheney, et al.
    Number 4? This was shown to be an overt lie at some point (story behind “The Insider”). Death toll? Millions. Wounded? (e.g. chronic lung disease) Millions. Felonies? Nothing that came up in a few minutes of Internet search.

    #5? Iran-Contra. Conducted from the basement of the White House by Oliver North and friends. Death toll? Unknown but at least thousands exacted by the Contras. Wounded? Unknown but suspected tens to hundreds of thousands in the civil war facilitated by Iran-Contra and not counting use of the weapons sold to Iran. Felonies? A bunch. North’s convictions tossed out due to plea deal with Congress. Abrams plead guilty to misdemeanor charges to avoid felony convictions and was pardoned by Bush 1 and later to be an advisor in events of #2 and #3. Others convicted of misdemeanors and pardoned by Bush 1.

    #6? El Savador and the covertly American backed rebels. Death toll? As reported, about 800. Wounded? Unknown and assuming all casualties were the 800 killed. Felonies? Other than war crimes by the American backed rebels, none cited.

    #7? Watergate. Death toll? Zero. Wounded? Zero. Felonies? A bunch. Actual burglars did prison time. Pres. Nixon resigned to avoid impeachment.

    #8? Chile. The covertly American backed overthrow of democratically elected Allende and installment of the dictatorial Pinochet who later was able to avoid prosecution for war crimes. HIs brutal dictatorship is a matter of record. Death toll? Wide differences in estimates, lowest 100′s to 1000′s. Wounded? Again, wide differences in estimates, at least thousands. Felonies? Vast array of war crimes, crimes against humanity, torture, “disappearances,” and unknown thousands of refugees (e.g. 7000 to Canada alone).

    #9? Vietnam. Well documented history. Death toll? 55,000 American, over 1,000,000 Vietnamese. Wounded? Hundreds of thousands of Americans if we include chronic PTSD and still impacting our VA health care systems 40 years after end of war. Felonies? No one indicted.

    #10 McCarthyism. Sen. Joseph McCarthy and the story behind the outstanding docudrama “Good Night and Good Luck” and many other exposes. Death toll? Hard to say. People lost careers, livelihoods, reputation, friendships. They faced being ostracized by family and friends.Some suicides are attributed to the blacklisting, esp. the blacklisting of artists, writers, musicians, movie and play directors, labor union leaders, social activists, and friends and family of all the above. Many suicides occurred among those blacklisted and those fearing threats of blacklisting. Wounded? No way to estimate. People suffering persecution are known to suffer depression, sometimes severe enough to harm oneself. Felonies? Who knows? Do we count those unfairly indicted? Or perpetrators and enforcers? At least Sen. McCarthy was publicly humiliated and forced to leave public office. Small penalty for the unknown thousands (?) of lives adversely affected, careers ended, etc.

    People can make their own deductions about the egregiousness of the cited “lies” by Presidents and the one Senator. I, personally, see a vast different between #1 and all the rest.

  • blueinlou

    I agree with you and JMax below that it is a lie that this was a lie. The ACA does not of its own accord make anyone switch coverage to another company or to that non-existent “Obamacare policy,” but makes the insurer improve coverage of substandard policies. Frankly, I think nearly everyone knew and understood what he meant, that no one is forced to use the exchange (except, now, Congress and its staff, thanks to their placating the screaming idiots). I couldn’t believe that the lie that this was a lie at all was what prevailed in the minds of the populace rather than what it actually was, an explanation that could’ve been worded better.
    Sadly, just in general, my conservative friends no longer know or care what a lie is or is not. For examples, promoting and repeating a false story is not a lie if one doesn’t bother to vet it first; choosing to believe in false “facts” is okay as long as it is your opinion that they’re true. On the other hand, when the Supreme Court decided the penalty is a tax then that became another “lie” of the President’s, based on the subsequent SCOTUS ruling. I’m beyond shaking my head; I am sad for my country’s moral decline into intellectual dishonesty.

  • blueinlou

    I was at first inclined to say that this list involves “lies” that “affected hundreds, thousands, and in some cases, millions of lives,” and that Clinton’s sex life most certainly did not. But on reflection, the entire effort to impeach that man was one big partisan lie, and the wonton waste of some $65 million affected every life, every program, that could have been made better in some way with those funds.

  • Rebecca Jones

    I couldn’t agree more. Especially because the reason people couldn’t keep their insurance was because of actions on the insurance industry’s part, making Obama a liar.

  • Jack Jackson

    You’re precis for Number 1 is inaccurate. Existing sub-standard plans were ‘grandfathered’ in at the time the legislation was signed. Too bad for the insureds that those plans were terminated by their insurance companies themselves long before the law was enacted. Thus, insurance companies could claim that their plans had to be discontinued for non-compliance. The plans that they had been greenlighted to continue to peddle had already been discontinued.

  • Jack Jackson

    The Takeaway: We are more easily lied to when the liar is telling us something that we want to believe.

  • Anonymous

    Salvador Allende not Salvadore

  • Andrew C Livingston

    How many people died as a result of this?

    Did the insurance companies have to cancel people’s insurance?

    The answers are “0″ and “No”.

  • Andrew C Livingston

    What happened to “It’s none of your damn business”?

    If you ask me a question you have no legal basis on which to posit that question, I can say whatever I want to say. To spend the tens of millions of dollars to illegally impeach a president is a crime against the American people.

  • Andrew C Livingston

    So you’re more worried about sexual activity between two consenting adults that affected only a handful of people than activity that directly resulted in the loss of life of millions of people and the waste of trillions of dollars?

    And since Eisenhower was critical of what the GOP has become, you included him as well?

    No one agrees with you.

  • Bug Ford

    “bear” his name. His name is not naked.

  • JonThomas

    Unless I am mistaken, while your point concerning degrees may be quite valid, they seem to have been listed not by severity, but chronologically..

  • Anonymous

    Weapons of mass destruction — maybe not a lie. Look at what they have uncovered in Iraq.

  • JonThomas

    Chronologically… and mildness doesn’t really excuse unapologetic hubris and the abuse of a position of power. Regardless of the intent and the person, a democratically elected official in power owes the truth to those whom they represent.

  • JonThomas

    Did I miss something? What have they uncovered?

  • JonThomas

    Your points are well taken. The problem with President Obama’s statements is that even after everyone knew better, the statements were still being made. If nothing else, the lie was simply a convenient narrative to assuage some of the growing resentment, and the propaganda being pushed by the ACA’s opponents.

    Mr Obama got caught between the unfolding truth of what was occurring, the rhetoric and spin of his opponents, and the profit margins of the insurance companies with whom President Obama brought to that ball.

  • Anonymous

    Apparently you did. The uncovered an old cache of serin (spelling?) gas, and I don’t remember if they said other deadly gasses etc. they might have found. There were pictures of it on several news broadcasts about a week or so ago. The cache is considered to be at least 10 years old, and maybe a bit older, which would put it right in the time frame of the beginning of the Iraq war.

  • W. Barnes

    The
    way things are today. Someone could take most of those items and show
    how the writer is stretching the truth that those were lies going by the
    definition: “A lie is a false statement to a person or group made by
    another person or group who knows it
    is not the whole truth, intentionally.” For instance, Victor Mordecai
    of the Israeli Defense Force on whether or not Hussein had WMDs, “The
    answer is definitely ‘Yes.’ And by the way, my wife … Egyptian born and
    Arabic speaking, works in intelligence gathering. And they were watching
    the satellite monitors, of these tremendous 18 wheelers, crossing over
    from Iraq into Syria, prior to the war in Iraq, prior to the American
    invasion of Iraq. And the weapons were sent to Syria; the weapons were
    sent to Libya; the weapons were sent to Sudan.” He went on to say that
    the gassing in the south of Sudan came from those weapons they received
    from Iran and Iraq.” If everyone thought the weapons were in Iraq, how
    is it a lie to say that he has WMDs? As for Bush’s comment about finding
    biological laboratories, the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency said that the trailers were used to produce biological weapons and Bush repeated that. Did it turn out to be false? Evidently yes. Did he know
    it to be false? No. And I am far from a George Bush fan.

  • W. Barnes

    The
    way things are today. Someone could take most of those items and show
    how the writer is stretching the truth that those were lies going by the
    definition: “A lie is a false statement to a person or group made by
    another person or group who knows it
    is not the whole truth, intentionally.” For instance, Victor Mordecai
    of the Israeli Defense Force on whether or not Hussein had WMDs, “The
    answer is definitely ‘Yes.’ And by the way, my wife … Egyptian born and
    Arabic speaking, works in intelligence gathering. And they were watching
    the satellite monitors, of these tremendous 18 wheelers, crossing over
    from Iraq into Syria, prior to the war in Iraq, prior to the American
    invasion of Iraq. And the weapons were sent to Syria; the weapons were
    sent to Libya; the weapons were sent to Sudan.” He went on to say that
    the gassing in the south of Sudan came from those weapons they received
    from Iran and Iraq.” If everyone thought the weapons were in Iraq, how
    is it a lie to say that he has WMDs? As for Bush’s comment about finding
    biological laboratories, the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency said that the trailers were used to produce biological weapons and he
    repeated that. Did it turn out to be false? Evidently yes. Did he know
    it to be false? No. And I am far from a George Bush fan.

  • Robert

    His allegations were almost all false.
    ******************
    You think? Look at all the communists in the democratic party. I think he was right on. Reminds me of saying, “When you are up to your behind in alligators, its not hard to remember your original goal was to drain the swamp.” We should have drained the swamp a long time ago. Now, its going to take a little more time to get all of them.

  • Jackie Norton

    Agree 100%!!!

  • Robert Hudson

    9 of the lying liars are lying about things that caused the deaths of between hundreds and hundreds of thousands of lives. I don’t see how Obama lying compares with the murder of millions of people in South East Asia or the genocide by birth defect and depleted uranium in the middle east. Americans are so deeply and aggressively racist. The President’s mother was a white women. Does that count for nothing?

  • http://www.bigbearvillagelodge.com Bill Young

    He didn’t have sex with her. To most people, and to him, receiving a blow job is not at all the same thing has having sexual intercourse, the standard interpretation of “having sex.”

  • Phil Davis

    Starting with Herbert Hoover…when is the last time Republicans were right about anything??????

  • Phil Davis

    Big deal…at the same time Newt Gingrich was cheating on his second wife by having sex with a congressional staffer who he later married.

  • Rick Belmont

    At the point where Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice & company were aware that the WMD info was false, they continued to lie and invaded Iraq anyway! They gradually changed the justification to Sadaam Hussein being a bad guy and the need of regime change Iraq. We certainly accomplished that, didn’t we? Ps. The US, NATO, China and Russia have the most WMDs!

  • Anonymous

    Well there was Eisenhower and his “Military-Industrial Complex” … seems to have been on the money.

  • TheTransAtlanticRailroad

    You’re right on the chronology aspect and I should have cited that as well. I got caught up in formulating my thoughts on the relative egregiousness issues. Taking that into consideration, that enhances my impressions of the “PC” factor. The author may have felt compelled or obliged to start with whatever he could come up with regarding Obama. That, to me, would be the most reasonable explanation for including such a comparatively innocuous (on any scale outside of bitterly partisan politics) “lie” on a list where some of the “lies” resulted in massive death tolls, bloodshed, destruction of livelihoods, and devastating harm to national and international economies. Obama’s “lie” on people keeping so-called “junk” policies might match up with Bush 1′s “read my lips, no new taxes” statement which, like Obama’s comment cited here, caused more political havoc than anything else and would have otherwise been inconsequential. The lesson from both Obama and Bush 1 is (IMHO) never pi$$-off bigoted political interests with lots of money and who know how to play the media game.

  • TheTransAtlanticRailroad

    You’re right on the chronology aspect and I should have cited that as well. I got caught up in formulating my thoughts on the relative egregiousness issues. Taking that into consideration, that enhances my impressions of the “PC” factor. The author may have felt compelled or obliged to start with whatever he could come up with regarding Obama. That, to me, would be the most reasonable explanation for including such a comparatively innocuous (on any scale outside of bitterly partisan politics) “lie” on a list where some of the “lies” resulted in massive death tolls, bloodshed, destruction of livelihoods, and devastating harm to national and international economies. Obama’s “lie” on people keeping so-called “junk” policies might match up with Bush 1′s “read my lips, no new taxes” statement which, like Obama’s comment cited here, caused more political havoc than anything else and would have otherwise been inconsequential. The lesson from both Obama and Bush 1 is (IMHO) never pi$$-off bigoted political interests with lots of money and who know how to play the media game.

  • Reno

    So they say, but I have a friend who tells me he is now paying 4 times as much for less insurance with a higher deductible. Apparently he was told that the increase is necessary so the insurance company can afford to cover required women’s health care. He is understandably angry. Whether this outcome was caused by the original bill, the amendments to the bill, or the insurance company itself, he feels he has been lied to and I think he may be right.

  • JonThomas

    Good example using Bush 1′s statement. Well illustrated.

  • Anonymous

    This is true about Reagan. He was not president yet. It should be common knowledge, but the mainstream media ignored it.

  • DennisMM

    You’re a little bit paranoid, aren’t you? There is no such thing as “cancer;” it is an umbrella term for dozens of different sorts of cellular runamok processes, and one “cure” will never deal with more than a few at a time. The government killed the Kennedys and King? Wow. The other items you mention are worth reminding people about.

  • axnyslie

    Since #1 regarding the ACA is not a “Big fat lie” I offer this replacement to the list from George W Bush: “I don’t think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees” regarding Hurricane Katrina.

    In dramatic and agonizing terms, federal disaster officials warned President Bush and his homeland security chief that Hurricane Katrina could breach levees, put lives at risk in New Orleans’ Superdome and overwhelm rescuers, according to video footage of the briefing. Bush didn’t ask any questions during the briefing before Katrina struck on Aug. 29, but he assured soon-to-be-battered state officials: “We are fully prepared”. Instead he stayed on vacation.

  • Anonymous

    Re. McCarthy. “Bear,” not “bare.”

  • Anonymous

    For every anecdote, there’s another that contradicts it. I’m paying less with a lower deductible.

  • Joey

    This is what people do, since over all the right wing is so bad. They have to do things like put Obama in there when he is no where near as bad as the other people .So they will not be called bias.

  • Anonymous

    Even if Obama’s “lie” was intentional, which I don’t believe it was as it was insurance companies making this decision, it’s effect is nowhere near as damaging to this country as the lies told by Bush and his cronies to get us into a war which has forever altered the world for the worse.

  • JonThomas

    Here’s just one… if you truly want the truth, you can search for the others yourself…

    http://www.salon.com/2007/09/06/bush_wmd/

  • Anonymous

    “Look at all the communists in the democratic party.”
    Ummm, I think you’ve got to stop mindlessly believing everything your neocon propaganda outlets promote there, Sport. You’re to easily manipulated. If they were actually communists, they would be COMMUNISTS and not Democrats. That’s like saying all Republicans (especially Teabaggers) are Nazis. Or do you believe that as well?

  • Anonymous

    That is the Republican (Teabagger) way these days. Pure hypocrisy, and a phony concern for the national budget. Then again, so many Democrats are so spineless they haven’t got the courage or conviction to stand up to these right wing hypocritical bullies and tell them “It’s none of their damn business.” Either that, or they foolishly think they can deal with the neocons by taking the high road. Case in point: Anthony Weiner is pushed out by his own party for a stupid “selfie” of his Jockey shorts on the same day the Republicans held a Washington D.C. fundraiser for David Vitter (the exposed whoremonger in a diaper). IOACIYAD and IOKIYAR.

  • Anonymous

    But the one lie they can’t get over, the one lie that just drives them bat(bleep) crazy is “I did not have sexual relations with that woman.”

  • JonThomas

    Firstly… In such a case as this, what difference does it make if the author was a certain person? True, there are times when ‘the source must be considered,’ but in this case you are guilty of the same sad mistake that President Bush and his advisers made in the article I cited… attacking the messenger while ignoring the message.

    You do realize, do you not, that in times past the tacit of challenging the source – without cause – worked more effectively than now? With the internet at our finger tips (especially so as this is the forum through which we are even having this discussion) it is easy to find corroborating evidence. Sure, there are times when the validity my cited article could have been questioned and you could be forgiven your dismissal, but in this case you are simply guilty of laziness.

    I even let you know that you could search for other articles yourself. Oh well, so much for reasonableness.

    Here’s another article with the same information… maybe you’ll challenge that author too… but your laziness was exposed, next time it’s on you…

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/18/panorama-iraq-fresh-wmd-claims

    And… well, since my good faith was impugned, to put an exclamation point on the subject…here’s another…

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/9937516/Iraq-war-the-greatest-intelligence-failure-in-living-memory.html

    You might also look up the intelligence information concerning the so-called ‘yellow cake’ and the ‘aluminum tubes’.

    Now, as for that weapons facility, since using the web may be a challenge for you (perhaps you are posting from a phone…) here’s something I wrote the other day to a post that was deleted by the moderator. The weapons facility in question is the same facility where Saddam Hussein made the chemical weapons he used on, among others, the Kurds. Make sure you check the link to the CIA website. It has a very detailed history explaining why it is quite unsatisfactory (even silly) for you, or the Bush administration, to reason as you did about chemical weapons existing in Iraq during the run-up to the second war… keep in mind as you read that this was originally written to someone else and I really don’t want to take the time when people are too lazy to research for themselves before they pass on rumors bad info…

    *************************************************

    I just looked it up (the information about the weapons facility)… it was put under the concrete bunkers way more than 10 years ago.

    The facity, and the old cache was bombed and destroyed during, and buried right after, the first Iraq War. It was already known about and being inspected by the UN long before the run-up to the second invasion.

    From the UK Government website posted in 2012…

    Under an agreement signed in Baghdad, experts from the MOD’s Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (Dstl) will provide training to Iraqi personnel which will help them to safely dispose of partially destroyed chemical munitions and agents, along with other contaminated materials.

    The materials are contained in two sealed bunkers at the old Al Muthanna Chemicals Weapons Complex, a large site in the western desert some 80km north west of Baghdad, which was the principal manufacturing plant for both chemical agents and munitions during Saddam Hussein’s rule.

    Thousands of tonnes of chemical weapons were produced, stored and deployed by the Saddam Hussein regime. Iraq used these weapons during the Iran – Iraq War (1980 to 1988) and against the Kurds in Halabja in 1988.

    Following the First Gulf War, most of Iraq’s chemical munitions were destroyed under the supervision of UN inspectors and the partially destroyed contents of these two sealed bunkers are all that remain of those legacy weapons.

    The Chemical Weapons Convention, which Iraq joined in 2009, requires that, although the material is unusable and does not pose a significant security risk, it must be disposed of. The nature of the material contained in the two bunkers will make the destruction process difficult and technically challenging.

    The UK has therefore agreed to provide training to Iraqi personnel at Dstl’s site in Porton Down – a world-leading centre of excellence for chemical defence.

    The training will take place later this year and will teach technical personnel how to safely handle toxic chemicals. The team at Dstl will also offer training to Iraqi medical personnel on how to deal with the health risks associated with the material.

    The U.S. Government, the CIA, and the entire world community knew of these buried and unusable weapons long before the lies began. The use of those chemical weapons by the Hussein regime has long been known and condemned. Everyone knew they were there, and everyone knew they were not a threat. As the UK website explains, retrieving the material is going to be a challenge for even the most sophisticated of efforts. Saddam Hussein never made moves to hide, nor recover the material after it was sealed.

    The UK media outlet… The Telegraph included a link to that UK Government document and also a link to the CIA’s website containing a documented history of that chemical weapons complex. For everyone’s perusal, Here is the link the CIA’s public file on the Al Muthanna Chemical Weapons Complex…

    https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/iraq_wmd_2004/chap5_annxB.html

    Along with an explanation why it was never considered a threat by the time the lies began, you’ll find a very detailed account of the history of both the complex and the weapons.

    ****************************************************************************

    So, the lesson here… we now have the largest database of information ever available in the history of mankind… literally at our finger tips… I’m not saying not to be wary of what you read on here… but for your own sake… PLEASE USE IT!

  • Jack Jackson

    WJC was using the definition offered by Paula Jones’ lawyers. Sexual relations were defined as “contact with the genitalia, anus, groin, breast, inner thigh, or
    buttocks of a person with an intent to arouse or gratify the sexual
    desire of any person”. See any thing missing here? You’re a better lawyer than Paula Jones’.

  • Jack Jackson

    “I don’t think that anybody could have predicted that these people
    would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take
    another one and slam it into the Pentagon, that they would try to use an
    airplane as a missile” Condolleezza Rice, May 16, 2002

  • Anonymous

    “You’re a better lawyer than Paula Jones’.”

    They set the bar low, didn’t they? :)

  • Nicko Thime

    A question that shouldn’t have been asked to begin with. It was the ONLY thing the right could come up with after a multi-year witch hunt that wasted millions of dollars and LOTS of time. But hey, if you feel the need to invoke Clenis, get on your knees and do so.

  • Nicko Thime

    Yep, it wasn’t just a coincidence that the hostages were released as Reagan was taking his oath. It was treason.

  • Nicko Thime

    Why?
    It was of no consequence whatsoever.
    It shouldn’t have been asked to begin with as it wasn’t anyone’s business.

  • Nicko Thime

    The CIA said Saddam represented no threat whatsoever. That is what the CIA really said.
    The UN inspectors told Bush there were no WMD. His reaction?
    He removed all inspectors 6 months early and prepared for invasion.

  • Nicko Thime

    All what communists?
    List them.
    Either back it with facts or stick a sock in it.

  • Nicko Thime

    Yeah, she sinned.

  • W. Barnes

    If you want to risk your child’s life on the word of Saddam Hussein’s foreign minister and his head of intelligence then go right ahead. That was the source of the Guardian story. By the way, the Guardian considers itself the world’s leading liberal voice.

    You are searching the Internet for information you choose to accept. Likewise, I can find articles on the Internet that support my case.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0412/p09s02-cojh.html
    http://www.kansas.com/2013/02/07/2665987/stephen-l-carter-bush-was-wrong.html

    Regardless, you have to deal with the situation as it was at the time. Again, Hussein himself said he had weapons of mass destruction and he was prepared to use them.

    UN Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter said in 1998, “Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably
    retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production.”

    That same year, President Bill Clinton said he had them. In turn, in 1998, Democrats John Kerry, Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, and Tom Daschle asked Clinton to “respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”

    Madeline Albright, the same year, said, “Saddam’s goal is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed.”

    Kerry went on to say in 2002, “I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force – if necessary – to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”

    Lieberman, in 2002, said, “Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States.”

    In 2002, Barbara Boxer said Iraq had not lived up to its agreement to dismantle weapons of mass destruction. Later that year, Gen. Wesley Clark said “There’s no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat and yes, he has chemical and biological weapons… He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn’t have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we.”

    Hillary Clinton said, “It is clear that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too
    well affects American security.”

    In 2003, former Clinton Secretary of Defense William Cohen said, “I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons…I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out.”

    Al Gore said, “Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”

    French intelligence said he had them. British intelligence said he had them. And, yes, the CIA said he had them.

    If you want to see what the CIA said during the run-up to the war read the CIA’s October 2002 “Iraq’s Weapons of Mass Destruction Programs” report not a history paper on chemical weapons in Iraq you link to
    was written in 2007, well after Bush had to make a decision about whether or not to go in. It certainly is easier after the fact once the evil regime had been overthrown.

    Ok, I used the largest database of searchable information ever available in the history of mankind. I’ve wasted enough of my life trying to reason with someone who obviously has a political ax to grind. On the other hand, I’m an independent who can see things as they are – or in this case, as they were leading up to the war in Iraq. Peace out.

  • Rick Belmont

    Backup? You can’t handle backup! “The Truth is Out There,” but it ain’t on FOX! Bush and Cheney had scrounged for ANY excuse to attack Sadaam and then refused to listen to advisors against it who cited false and bad intelligence, because they had made up their minds to attack at all costs!

  • Rick Belmont
  • JonThomas

    Yep… 5 years before the lies began, many people had many opinions, all of them turned out to be wrong.

    This is not about what I believed, nor what you believed. This is about the abuse of positions of power! Any risk to myself, or any of my family members, plays no role in the fact that in order to fulfill an agenda for regime change, lies were told, and validated intelligence was ignored. Instead of verifying the background of their so-called intelligence sources, the Bush administration chose to believe the lies of a fake… a taxi driver claiming to be someone he was not… and the President and his people were only too ready, even in the face of contradictory evidence, to push those lies.

    Whenever contradictory information and sources were presented, they were ignored. When reservations about the con-man source that the Bush administration was using were raised, they were ignored. Basically, whenever people in power had the opportunity to have their opinions turned to facts, they refused those opportunities.

    The CIA document I linked you to was posted to the CIA public library in 2007. It was not written, as you falsely claim, in 2007. It is a compilation of the on-going intelligence as the situation progressed through the years and months. At any given time, if a person cleared for intelligence access requested information on the facility, or the weapons made there, that’s basically the cover sheet to what they would have received. It would have been complete up until the point of the request. It was only made public in 2007.

    First you asked for sources for someone’s statement. Then, when such a source was presented you looked for every way to tear it apart and replace it with conspiracy theories and your belief of what might have been in trucks. The only ax I have to grind is a disgust, and absolute revulsion at the 100′s of thousands of lives lost to the personal agendas of a few megalomaniacs.

  • JonThomas

    Released in 2004… again, it’s the publicly released compilation of the CIA’s intelligence history of Iraq’s WMD program that goes back to the 1960′s!

    You keep referring to one report from 2002… the Intelligence Agencies release hundreds of papers, from many authors and viewpoints all year long. It’s easy to pick and choose. The difference is that the one I linked to is the compiled, verified history.

    And again… they not only relied on a liar, who they were told was a liar, but they ignored all verified information because it did not fit into their purpose.

    This example is only one of the lies… again, look up the ‘yellow cake’ and look up the ‘aluminum tubes.’

    There were many falsehoods that were used in the push to remove Saddam Hussein. Conveniently (at best,) the Administration followed the axiom found in the Upton Sinclair quote… “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!”

    The Bush administration refused anything except what allowed for their pre-decided upon invasion. To spread a lie, even if a person didn’t know, or want to know it was a lie, especially when they had the means and multiple opportunities to find out the truth, and… after 100′s of thousands of deaths to remain unjustifiably unapologetic, then further reprehensible enough to come back years later pushing for more war, not only calls for this run-on sentence, but shows the type of people you are defending.

    SAD!!!

    Lastly, as I hope we can end this… please don’t bid me… “peace out…” when you are defending such unrepentant killers.

  • Always curious

    I read that speech again recently. I have to say I was surprised at the accuracy and the almost prophetic nature of it. I think it is worth mentioning that he was a General and World War II hero before he became president. I guess he had seen enough to know where the US might be heading. I am sure sorry he was right.

  • LL

    Everybody in congress thought there were weapons of mass destruction based on the intelligence they had

  • Jack Jackson

    Not so fast there. The State Dept’s intelligence section had some real doubts and said so. Congressmen were duped by the likes the VP had the Defense Intelligence Agency manufacture. If it had been completely manifest that the WMD existed why couldn’t the UN Team find any before the shooting started?

  • Darice

    I am paying less also.

  • Kerry Dean, NWA.

    LL that is a lie. Totally like the GOP, liars. Arrest congress for lying to America and get them on treason.

  • Ed Chainey

    No, “Everybody in congress thought there were weapons of mass destruction based on the” LIES “they had” been TOLD.

  • Paul

    He didn’t lie, at all. The ACA did not force anyone to give up their insurance plans. The insurance companies, themselves did that.

  • Randee Head

    I don’t see how Obama’s “lie” can possibly be compared to the other nine. Obama did not lie. I believe he did not realize how lousy so many policies were. I think the thing to have done would have been to allow all policies to be grandfathered in while, at the same time, requiring insurance companies offering those policies to notify those who had them of their deficiencies.

  • Brad Farnsworth

    Right wing garbage, Obama’s insurance thing doesn’t even belong in the
    list. He maybe mistated the fact, but a blatant lie like all the rest,
    not even close.

  • Stu Johnson

    Your supposing that his premium wouldn’t have increased by any where from 12-25% yearly anyway, like MOST people’s have been since about 1981. And yes, mine became more expensive. But I live in a state run by Republicans. I would most likely be eligible for the Medicaid expansion. The horror stories you hear ALL come from states like SC ( where I live) that are not only not participating, but are obstructing it in every way they can.

  • indy anna

    It was the gutting out of the ACA by the Republicans that made Obama’s statements inaccurate. If Congress would have worked with Obama and not tried to derail everything he did the ACA would have been a much better success. Every time a Republicans gets their hands on something they turn it into a mess.

  • Sara Hall

    “Osama bin Laden Determined to Strike US” – August 2001, memo to Cowboy Bush while vacationing (again) at his Texas faux ranch, which he purchased right before he started campaigning for POTUS and sold soon after he left office. Note: This was not the only warning the Bushies received from the intelligence services. Also, as the Clinton team was leaving, they repeatedly told the incoming Bushies that OBL and al Qaida should be their number one priority. Dismissing and minimizing the al Qaida risk was criminal.

  • Stu Johnson

    Very true. Unfortunately, Republicans adapted a different play book than Eisenhower. One so horrendous that it’s own architect (Lee Atwater) tried to repent on his death bed for his part in it. He knew that he was doomed to hell for it. Independent voters like me wind up voting for the lesser of evils, which is most definitely Democrats. It is a shame that the main thought in my mind, when I exit the polls, is that the lesser of evils, is still evil.

  • MikeB.

    None of these compares to the “Gulf of Tonkin” resolution. In sheer loss of life others don’t compare but Iraq isn’t over yet, it it? LBJ deserves the double whammy on the list and to be moved to #1

  • MikeB.

    Minor in comparison to the death, destruction, and cost of the others. Not deserving to be on the list unless one is smarting from an overabundance of lies from one party. LBJ still takes the cake, though.

  • Eric Margolis

    I worked for LBJ over Goldwater. I thought he was the peace candidate Goldwater would have been a disaster; Johnson only slightly less so. Soon as he got elected he wanted to send me to Vietnam. My first experience with politics scarred me for life.

  • Eric Margolis

    They couldn’t get the Bin Laden family out of the US fast enough, most of the hijackers were Saudi. So naturally we invaded Iraq.

  • Jack Jackson

    Be a little fairer to LBJ, all 58,000 American dead are not on his head. Nixon colluded with the South Vietnamese to exit the Peace Talks which would put all of the dead after that point on Nixon’s head. Johnson had the (illegal) wiretaps of Nixon to prove it. This may have been what RMN was really after in all that bugging and burglary.

  • Jack Jackson

    So if Clinton uses that definition to later tell the nation that he “…didn’t have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinksy” he ain’t really lying, is he? And he certainly wasn’t lying under oath as the bill of impeachment tried to have us believe. What it did do was have folks substitute their own definition for sex and sexual relations and call Clinton a liar for it.

  • Don McMahan

    McCarthy, Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Chaney…..republicans are pretty well represented here aren’t they?

  • Antonio

    Correction Ed, not every body knew there were WMD. Cheney and his team knew there were NOT WMD, so he had to brainwash every body through media. Manly right wing media

  • acchokiefan@gmail.com

    I personally heard one of LBJ tapes. I hate his dead guts and I posses on his grave.

  • Anonymous

    The Republicans did NOT gut the ACA. There are thousands of pieces such as worrying about tanning salons not related to providing affordable health care. Obama was hands off, leaving the leftist nannystaters to do whatever they wanted regardless of cost or effect. Birth control for those who don’t need it. Mental health for those who don’t need it. The Dems overloaded this Christmas tree making it less and less affordable. Many hospitals have been locked out preventing patients from access at a lower cost because of the Obama Administration smoke and mirrors, leaving out effective but higher cost facilities in the name of showing lower costs on the books. This is the fault of inhumane Obama Administration officials and democrats, not Republicans.

  • Anonymous

    There is no “maybe” He did so repeatedly. This is costing people money they couldn’t afford and care they are not able to receive. This is truth, not “right wing garbage”.

  • Anonymous

    Paul, that is a lie. What the hell is wrong with you? People were forced out. People were unable to get or keep plans of their choice.

  • Anonymous

    In my view, the Obama “lie” on this list, regardless of why it happened, doesn’t even compare to any of the others in scope/magnitude and doesn’t belong on this list.

  • Anonymous

    THIS was a “lie” ranking with all those that follow? COME ON

  • Bill Buchholz

    Of course. Obama didn’t know he’d lied until he read it in the media.

  • Bill Buchholz

    I guess the chemical warfare Sadam used on the Kurds doesn’t count as a WMD. Of course, they were moved to Syria early on.

  • Anonymous

    I knew that this was a problem the minute that he said it. After all most employee provided health care insurance plans change on an annual basis. My employer has what we call open season each fall during which we can choose between three different plans. The plans always change somewhat from year to year and the premiums do as well. Also because of the requirements that the insurance plans being offered meet certain standards it stands to reason that some plans would have to be strengthened or discontinued.

    I think he said this in good faith without really thinking through the ramifications.

  • http://www.cayennephotos.com/ Chrissy Strawn

    And this is news? If we had been told the truth about what they were up to would it really have made such a big difference? I think not.

  • http://www.performancehorseprospects.com Carole O’Brien

    Having worked in the insurance business, it was them that cancelled everyone because it dipped into their profits! You can’t blame Obama for what the insurance companies did out of spite! Get real folks!

  • http://www.coroflot.com/maceye David Mackay Ballard

    Nail head hit, my friend.

  • Brent Slensker

    And the proof you have for the BS assertion Iraqi WMDs were moved to Syria? Alex Jones?

  • davisr @stic.net

    LBJ presided over the Gulf of Tonkin lie, which escalated Vietnam from a small number of military advisers into a full-blown war.

  • Gary Koloske

    Before Obama was even running for office, insurance had gone up 400% along with the economy boom

  • Gary Koloske

    Wasn’t it the Insurance companies who went to CWBush to put a cap on the damages done by Hurricane Andrew. Gotta save a buck whenever possible. The hell with the people who paid all those premiums.

  • Alex Mc

    Pretty nasty slipping Obama in there amongst the most evil administrators in US history. I’m a critic of Obama, I feel he had the chance to change America, to change the Middle East for the better and he’s let the US down, but compared to Bush and Cheney he’s a Mandela.

  • Anonymous

    I am unhappy that my network size shrunk but even paying out of network costs is cheaper than if I buy the higher priced plan.

  • Bill Buchholz

    Don’t know Alex Jones. However Saddam did use chemical weapons on the Kurds and the Syrians are still in the process of “surrendering” their stash of chemical weapons. That the Kurds were gassed is not in question.

  • Bill Buchholz

    The state of South Carolina does not want what will eventually become an unfunded mandate when the feds no longer fund Medicaid.

  • Barbara Blough

    Could you add an 11th? In 1953, when our government worked with the government in England to overthrow by force or through a coup, the government in Iraq, we were lied to BIG TIME and its impact appears to be a mystery to most Americans today.

  • Jack Jackson

    I am not saying that LBJ is innocent. I am saying that 20,000 of the dead belong to Nixon. LBJ’s 1968 Peace Talks *would* have ended our involvement in 1969. Nixon scuttled the talks. LBJ could have revealed Nixon’s treason but he would also have had to reveal the illegal wiretaps.

  • Jack Jackson

    Nixon is responsible for all the deaths from 1969 on. About 20,000 of the total.

  • Anonymous

    I agree. I work daily with policies and judgments based on information and data where nothing ever fits perfectly 100%. The are always anomalies and random exceptions to the best devised rules. What Obama said was 98% correct as it applied to all Americans with insurance. That is as close as truth gets in policy making! It is idiotic to include this with the other blatant lies.

  • Jack Jackson

    The Halabja Attack you reference occurred in 1985! How far back do you want to go? What proof do you have that the Iraqis sent gas stockpiles to Syria? None. Do you think Dubya would have gotten the war he wanted if he has said that ‘Saddam used weapons of mass destruction on his own people seventeen years ago.” Bush lied or knowingly ‘played dumb’. Admit it, we were duped.
    As far the Syrian stockpiles, they’ve all been turned over for destruction – though the technology to produce more is still in place. Don’t you think that a detailed chemical assay of the Syrian stockpiles would reveal a connection to Iraqi generation? Where’s that news story that would lend your imaginings some substance?

  • Ed Chainey

    I agree Antonio, that the meme “Everybody knew” is the problem. Those misled by lies didn’t truly “know”. And those who lied intentionally – Cheney et al – deserve history’s scorn.

  • Ed Chainey

    If Obama had only inserted these words this whole brouhaha would be moot: “If you like your insurance” AND YOUR EMPLOYER AND INSURANCE COMPANY STILL OFFER IT, “you can keep it.” That IS A TRUE STATEMENT. And it was true for me either way.

    Let’s all be clear about President Obama’s mistaken inclusion in this list. The facts are these: Brevity in today’s sound bite age caused Obama’s statement to short and therefore incomplete and subject to misinterpretation and exaggeration.

    In my case Obama WAS CORRECT – I was able to keep my insurance and I liked it. So for a lie to be a lie it must ALWAYS be a lie – yet as Obama STATED IT, in my case it was not a lie. The perceived inaccuracy is that he implied these plans would still be being offered in the context of his statement. As life is wont to do, many plans were in fact no longer offered AS WAS THE CASE BEFORE THE ACA.

    Think about it for a moment. Any policy before or without the ACA could be “liked”, and yet there was NEVER any guarantee that you could keep it THEN if your employer or insurer decided unilaterally to discontinue it! So, if Obama is “guilty” it is of making a pithy comment that implied unsaid context; and he is innocent of an intentional lie.

  • nearoffutt

    True, but you must make allowances as many of those complaints also included that Obama is still Black and not hating enough people around the world. Until Obama stops that foolishness about refusing to change his skin color, those very vocal opponents will not relent.

  • Anonymous

    Journalists should know the difference between mistake and lie, and putting ‘O’ first is fabricating not reporting…

  • JamieDNYC

    It’s a good time to point out that the havoc created in Central America by the Juntas, supported and trained by the U.S. during the Reagan administration, have come back to bite us on the rear-end. All those countries, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Honduras that we stuck our noses into, out of a myopic fear of communism turned into a giant, dysfunctional violent mess. And then when Mother’s send their children across our borders to try and escape the violence that we had a hand in creating? We send the children back into danger and scorn their families.

  • Anonymous

    Obama made promises that he thought the insurance industry would keep.

  • Ed Chainey

    Universal, Single-Payer, Taxpayer-funded, Non-Profit, No-Fault and you can choose your own doctor – Medicare Part E for Everyone < That's the answer for the healthcare paradigm.