Bill’s conversation with Eric Alterman continued even after the cameras were turned off — the TV cameras, anyway. But we captured that extended conversation exclusively for BillMoyers.com. In it, the author talks about Paul Ryan, Andrew Cuomo, liberals’ weaknesses, and his dinner with then-Senator Barack Obama.

“The first thing we need to do, as liberals, to become credible to the other 80 percent of Americans who refuse to call themselves liberals, is find a way to make the government protection of their lives credible. And it’s no easy task,” Alterman tells Moyers.