North Carolina Just Gave Millionaires a Tax Cut, Raised Taxes on the Poorest 900,000 Working Families

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This post first appeared at ThinkProgress.

North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory and his wife Ann greet the public prior to taking the oath of office during the inaugural ceremonies at the state capitol in Raleigh, NC, Saturday, Jan. 12, 2013. (AP Photo/Gerry Broome)
North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory and his wife Ann greet the public prior to taking the oath of office during the inaugural ceremonies at the state capitol in Raleigh, NC, Saturday, Jan. 12, 2013. (AP Photo/Gerry Broome)

The 900,000 poorest working families in North Carolina just got another tax hike from the conservatives who swept state legislature elections in 2010.

The change took effect at the beginning of 2014, meaning that the taxes those families file this spring will be the last to feature the state’s tax break for the working poor. The provision, known as the Earned Income Tax Credit or EITC, will also be 10 percent less generous in its final year. State-level EITCs work by tacking on an additional benefit to the federal EITC, and the law repealing North Carolina’s EITC for 2014 also cut the credit from 5 percent to 4.5 percent of the federal benefit.

In order to qualify for the federal or state-level tax credit, tax filers must earn less than about $50,000. The goal of the credit is to buoy the incomes of working people whose employers pay them too little to provide the economic stability that having a job is supposed to ensure. Many conservatives who oppose other policies to boost poor peoples’ income, such as minimum wage hikes, support the EITC as an alternative way of keeping working people out of poverty without interfering with how private businesses operate.

But that argument didn’t carry the day among North Carolina Republicans, and lawmakers slashed and then eliminated the state’s EITC during last year’s legislative session. That change was overshadowed by the GOP’s broader changes to the basic shape of the income tax code in the state to favor the rich and harm the rest.

Along with the disappearance of the EITC, low-income North Carolinians will be paying higher taxes in order to pay for a tax cut for the richest people in the state. Republicans moved from a two-tiered, progressive income tax system to a flat tax rate of 5.8 percent. A person who earns a million dollars per year will get a roughly $10,000 tax cut thanks to that move, but the bottom 80 percent of the income distribution will see their taxes rise. That means that four out of five taxpayers in the state were going to pay more next year even before the EITC repeal.

The combined effects of those tax changes give poor North Carolinians some incentive to move out of the state, a population shift Gov. Pat McCrory (R) hopes to encourage. There are 25 states that still offer some form of an EITC, including McCrory’s northern neighbor of Virginia, and the District of Columbia still maintains the credit as well.


Alan Pyke Alan Pyke is the deputy economic policy editor for ThinkProgress.org.
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  • Anonymous

    What level of willful ignorance will it take for those 4 out of 5 North Carolinians whose taxes increase (while services dwindle) to forget who was responsible when it comes time to vote?

  • Anonymous

    And then when these poor cannot pay their taxes, the tparticans will round them up and put them all in their debtors prisons and the middle class will bear the expense.

    Way to go North Carolina!

  • hdm539

    I feel badly for North Carolinians who did not vote for the republicans. They are suffering due to the ignorance of the rest of the voters.

  • Stewart Moore

    Obama was told to help Walmart save billions and exempt from penalty any company that hires part time workers. The so called Affordable Care Act took away the penalty or fine on companies that have over 50 employees as long as they hire only part time workers. Obama is owned by multinational corporate CEO’S that demand more immigrants to force your wages down and keep you afraid of your boss.

  • Anonymous

    who told obama this?

  • Thack

    The republicans have ignored the fact that the market has risen from the mid 7000′s to over 16,000 since Obama took office. If the GOP would let us tax some of that largess, we wouldn’t be so broke. Cutting taxes is like cutting your income and then complaining that you don’t have the money to pay your bills. Our nation is the richest on earth. We just don’t tax the money that they have. We don’t do that because the republicans say that cutting those people’s taxes would create a trickle down effect. That isn’t true and the only thing that is true is that our nation has suffered needlessly at the hands of republicans. If we don’t stop giving them power, they will destroy this nation.

  • Anonymous

    Why do republicans have so much trouble understanding basic economics? When you raise taxes on the poor or middle class it means that they have less to spend. Since the majority of their income is spent on living, it reduces overall economic activity. When you lower taxes for the wealthy, they don’t need the excess income so it isn’t spent, it is invested. Those investments have a much smaller economic multiplier effect than the money being spent on goods and services by the poor and middle class does. In other words, these policies are the exact opposite of what needs to be done to increase jobs and improve the economy.

  • Anonymous

    No, the penalty was taken away from companies with fewer than 50 employees, NOT more.

  • Jon Adams

    As a veteran of the Iraq war I have a certain visceral feeling about Republicans. They should be beaten and not heard.

  • Jon Adams

    It is because the very wealthy are getting away from the market economy and into privatization of govt functions —- warfare, prisons, security, etc. The govt becomes a bag of teats for the wealthy.

  • Stewart Moore

    Insurance Companies and Pharmaceutical giants saw their stocks GO UP after ACA was passed. What more do you need to know?

    Health insurance stocks have surged. The five major health insurance companies — WellPoint, UnitedHealth Group, Aetna, Cigna and Humana –have increased more than 30% in 2013. The ACA has been good so far to these shares. Other companies within health care are poised to profit even more as a result of the ACA roll-out.

    In 2013 the value of the S& P health insurance index has gained 43%. Thats more than double the gains made in the broad stock market index, the S & P 500. The shares of CIGNA are up 63%, Wellpoint 47% and United Healthcare 28% as of October 2013.

    ObamaCare is a creation of the capitalist class. Truly one of the most regressive, manipulative and craven pieces of legislation crafted (by Insurance Cos. no less) by the DC political establishment in years, and that’s saying something.

    This bill is worse than the “bailout” of the corrupt banks because it sets in law many possible legalistic maneuvers and loopholes – all at taxpayer expense – under the guise of “reform”. It institutionalizes deceit and corporate profits and really does not ensure anything else.

    So…what ARE the lessons repeated and learned from OBAMACARE?

    1-That private health insurance is America’s Way…and should stay that way.

    2-That FORCING people to BUY insurance is the solution to not having enough health care.

    Many Dems rejoice and say this is the “first step to change.” What rubbish!

    Insurance Companies rejoice because THEY got the Lion’s Share of their ultimate Wish List; it is THEY who believe this is the “first step” to ending any chance EVER for a Public Plan.

  • Diana Reichardt

    What the heck? Only in America. All I can say folks, it is up to us to vote these, selfish,self-centered “people” out of office!!! It is important that everyone gets out and votes. If you know someone that has problems with transportation, offer to take them to vote. If they have their way the congressmen are going to make it more difficult to vote . They really don’t want the working people to have a voice. Remember this at election time please.

  • Sue Em

    unfortunately a lot of the voters are brain washed by FOX NEWS

  • Anonymous

    What war on the poor?

  • Sue Em

    The earned income has been so important for us. It is the one time a year we get a breather and catch up on bills. I am about done with this country. I am lucky because once my kids are older I have the option to take us all back to “socialist” Europe.

  • Anonymous

    The war on the public sector. It is easier and les costly to tap into an existing money source than to create one.

  • Katherine Mann

    Did anyone expect anything else from the Conservative faction? Not me.

  • Katherine Mann

    Get your facts straight before you start shooting.

  • Anonymous

    If we vote them out then who will replace them? A new crop even more radical?

  • evilroyslade

    Insurance stocks go up because ACA will eliminate deadbeats that won’t pay medical bills.

  • Anonymous

    The problem is that the poor, who for decades have been provided with more and more propaganda and less and less education by the rich, will continue to vote the puppet politicians of the rich because they have bought the lie of the American Dream that they too will one day be rich and that their ‘future money’ must be protected from taxes… but that future money will never come.

  • Anonymous

    What can you do when there’s no one policing the gov’t? When laws or even a sense of right or wrong no longer apply? What do you do in a lawless land?

  • Anonymous

    2010 was the year that the disappointment of Obama’s base coupled by the rabid vitriol of the Tea Party fanned by racism, fear, xenophobia and extreme partisanship produced lethargy on the Democratic party’s base and passionate activism on the side of the GOP’s base – thus the absurd Tea Party victories that swept the assorted clowns throughout the state and federal midterm elections.

    Obama’s second term victory was in great part due to the GOP’s insane clown posse with the likes of Bachmann, Cain, Santorum, Gingrich, Perry etc. The American electorate voted out of fear of the rabid right than of support of Obama.

    Truthfully, no serious student of american politics can seriously claim that Obama is anything more than a center right Democrat, who has more in common with progressive GOP luminaries like Eisenhower than with Democrats like Johnson, Kennedy or Carter.

    Yet the electorate is clearly to the left of our politicians – the Tea Party excesses and the suffering caused by the GOPTP on the American middle class will more likely produce many more GOPTP defeats the 2014 midterms.

    Frankly speaking today’s Democratic party resembles your grandfather’s GOP, while today’s GOP has basically been consumed by a cadre of befuddled, fearful malcontents who have no unifying vision other than their hatred of the “Kenyan Usurper”.

  • Sarah Thomas

    Can’t spend too much energy on what will be. God will provide. The greedy have to Answer to the almighty. Life’s too short to sweat about something so small in the grand sceam of things.

  • Joshua LeTrole

    Obama betrayed all the progressives who weren’t homosexual, his only base he stayed true to. Obama showed us that the Democratic Party is the other party of Wall Street, and the people don’t matter to Democrats or Republicans. It’s time to learn and leave the Democratic Party. Go to the Greens or start a New New Deal Party. People would be stupid to vote for another democrat or republican. It’s time for a real change, not another lie. Of course, people are stupid and the Republican in Democrat Clothing, Hilary War Monger Clinton will be the next president.

  • Joshua LeTrole

    YOu don’t understand Mike. It’s a Tax Increase for the very poor. It starts out as a half percent increase. And goes all the way to a 5% increase over the years. Only the very poor are being taxed here. Their EITC is being stolen to pay for more cuts for the super rich.

  • Joshua LeTrole

    Read your second amendment. It talks about the solution. Or read the Declaration of Independence. There’s a solution there too. Or learn from the French Revolution. There’s a lesson there as well.

  • Joshua LeTrole

    Lucky you. We don’t qualify to immigrate to any good countries, like Norway, Sweden, or Australian, not even Canada. It’s very sad.

  • Guest

    And this was Obama’s goal the whole time. To hurt Americans and cause them to suffer so that Wall Street can be further enriched. Obama’s hero, Ronald Reagan, was his blueprint. Obama is a republican like Hilary Clinton. They are quickly helping destroy and enslave America so their Chinese partners can get wealthier along with their friends and masters on Wall Street.

  • Stewart Moore

    You can’t read.

  • Stewart Moore

    Do more research.

  • Sue Em

    ..and I have smart kids..they can go to college almost for free. That is comforting.

  • Anonymous

    Obama opposed gay marriage until his vice president embarrassed him into taking a stand. He has never really advocated for gays. Also, he nearly lost the support of the AFL-CIO because of his anti union positions.

    He is now making speeches about income equality while actively trying to fast track the TPP, which will only add to said equality and ship even more jobs out of the country while giving corporations veto power over the legitimate governments of treaty countries, including the U.S.

    Obama’s policies are at best moderate Republican, and favor corporations over any party.

    Democrats who continue to insist that Republicans and Tea Partiers are dupes, are stupid, and are voting against their own interests, are doing the same thing by buying into the “lesser evil” nonsense that is destroying the country.

  • DrTeeth

    I found myself wishing for a viable third party in 2012, or at the very least a “none of the above” option to register my protest. Voting has become a painful exercise for any citizen who is paying attention. But I also realized that neither of these things can make a difference. A third party, if it could get off the ground, will never get the financial backing to become a real force. And while registering a “none of the above” vote would feel good, big money couldn’t care less whether I approve or not as long as they get their man in. And of course, big money owns this game.
    Campaign finance is essentially the only issue right now. Everything else rests on that.

  • Anonymous

    They were going to do away with the income tax altogether and double the sales tax. I guess what they did was a “compromise”.

  • Anonymous

    And those working poor will applaud their own suffering and vote for the Republicans all over again.

  • Anonymous

    I thought that everyone was in favor of a flat tax rate. This story said that they took away the 2 tiered tax rate and replaced it with a ” flat tax rate of 5.8 percent”. So instead of the rich paying MORE and so called POOR pay less….everyone pays the same rate! WHY should ANYONE get back MORE on their Refund than they pay IN? Never did understand how you can pay in $1,500 and get back $3.000! You can’t get that kind of interest on money ANYWHERE! To me…I think what they did is in the right direction and will do GOOD for everyone there….and NO….I am FAR from being rich! LOL I have NEVER made anything CLOSE to $50,000 a year! LOL

  • Anonymous

    You have it right, Amazing you see that, how old are you? What we have today are the parties of the 1%, The Democrats are more moderate (leave the 99% something) while the Republicans are more (take all we can now). The 99% is pretty much left out of the political process. If you want to see just how bad it is getting; check out the proposals the IRS has made as far as what constitutes a tax exempt organization that deals with political education,”get registered”, “get the vote out” “meet the candidates”, .timing of information dissemination Lots of bad for the 99% proposals.. ..

  • DrTeeth

    But who puts those candidates on the ballot? Where do they come from? In most states there are no Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warrens. Our choices are provided by Wall Street, Big Oil, Monsanto, Big Pharma, etc. Be honest – don’t you usually hold your nose and vote against a scary candidate? Isn’t it usually about averting disaster at this point? Maybe we need to do something more than vote to earn that good-citizen halo. Then maybe we’ll have a shot at being in charge.

  • Anonymous

    “Republicans moved from a two-tiered, progressive income tax system to a flat tax rate of 5.8 percent. A person who earns a million dollars per year will get a roughly $10,000 tax cut thanks to that move, but the bottom 80 percent of the income distribution will see their taxes rise. That means that four out of five taxpayers in the state were going to pay more next year even before the EITC repeal.”

    Maybe read the entire article before you break out the capslock? YOU PEOPLE KILL ME!

  • Anonymous

    Do away with the EITC and raise the minimum wage to $15. If you can’t pay $15 an hour you shouldn’t be in business..

  • Anonymous

    Start and SUPPORT a new party.

  • Anonymous

    Just to be clear the Earned Income Credit is not earned.

  • Anonymous

    No. Noone with their thinking caps on actually wants a flat tax rate. What they did was increase taxes for 80% of the state and give tax cut to the wealthiest 20%. If you still don’t understand how the Earned Income Tax Credit works, there is no helping you. Also CAPSLOCKKKKKKK

  • Anonymous

    Are you seriously trying to drive a wedge between LGBTs and the left? Real change would be NOT SCAPEGOATING

  • Anonymous

    Dude, there is no down-voting in elections. You have to actually pick a candidate and vote them up.

  • Anonymous

    How do you make a society “poor”. 1..You have a greater population than the infrastructure and job market can support. 2.. You have an insecure population, (health care), (old age), (job). 3.. You have the female population as second class citizens (less economic opportunities), (Less educational opportunities). 4..You make higher education for the general population unattainable. (raise the cost of college). And what direction is “your?” government going in??

  • Anonymous

    TERM LIMITS ONLY way.

  • Anonymous

    You can never get a Professional Politician to work for the general public. To keep his JOB he has to do what he is told or the “money” goes to the guy running against him that WILL do what he is told to keep a JOB worth a half million a year. ONLY hope is term limits.

  • Anonymous

    Yes this policy is shrinking the pie. But it also helps the privileged few to grab a bigger piece before the pie shrinks. They are grabbing what they need to weather the storm, before the storm of their making hits. The same principle is at play when workers are replaced with machines or when spending is slashed on public health education infrastructure etc to pay for wealthy people’s tax cuts. Shrinks the pie for US, but it gets a bigger slice for THEM

  • Anonymous

    Here is their thinking. Pay as little as possible, as slow as possible. Make as much as possible as fast as possible. And that is the way it is, no other thinking involved.

  • Anonymous

    That is the way “your?” government works. A government is supposed to act as regulator and referee. “Your?” government hands out tax breaks and contracts so its members can keep their JOBs. Its almost like Fascism; where the government and the special interest (“money”) run the country for their mutual benefit. Am I the only one that sees the ONLY hope to get out of this mess is to START with TERM LIMITS??

  • Anonymous

    Comrade Moyers, like all good Marxist democrats, is lying through his teeth again. The “poor” didn’t get a tax increase. They got a decrease in the free money they collect from state government under the redistribution scheme called the Earned Income Credit. The “poor” never pay any income taxes ever either federal or state. In fact, they make money off both the state and federal income tax system. Moyers is a typical lying democrat. He opens his mouth and out come lies.

  • Anonymous

    I do not see the Republicans and the Democrats as being that much different. It seems like a divide and conquer ploy. The real struggle is between the 99% and the 1%. so to speak. Our children go out to fight the wars, they can put up the money.

  • Anonymous

    I have to laugh at all of the poor idiots that voted republican and are now paying the cost in higher taxes while subsidizing tax cuts for the rich! Idiots,the republicans hate your poor white butts!

  • Anonymous

    Both parties of the 1% have worked to flood this country with cheap labor since the early 1970s. At that time our replacement rate was below 1.7 birth per couple and the countries population would have stabilized at about 300 million in 2030. This was unexceptionable to the 1% that want lower wages, more customers and ever increasing profits. The doors were more than just opened. The ENTIRE population growth from 1970 to now has been from immigrants and the children of the immigrants. When was the last time you heard “zero population growth” or a Politician talking about what would be a sustainable population for this country??. Many in my generation limited are number of children to two as that was considered responsible only to have “our?” government betray us.

  • Anonymous

    “any chance EVER for a Public Plan” But they are wrong. How long do you think a health care system that charges $30,000 or so to have a baby at a hospital with a two day stay can last. The system will crush under its own weight, Obamacare or not. I do believe in “free market capitalism” and hope a system similar to what’s in France emerges.

  • Alex Morris

    I am sure all those poor people voted for republicans, o Wait! they didn’t, and 10,000 worth of cuts is pennies to someone with millions. it fair because its the same rate. do the math, come on you are retired. you did not learn from “Common Core”

  • DLBeard

    Right, not so much a war as a slaughter.

  • dagobarbz

    Blame the voters. You know, the poor mutts who just got screwed over a little deeper.

  • dagobarbz

    they all secretly hope to be “job creators” someday, so they vote in ways that won’t screw them over later. It’s pretty amusing.

  • Stewart Moore

    Finally; another well informed voter. Thank you. You are a great American.

  • Stewart Moore

    Hello, my name is __ {name} __ . I am from ___{your town or city}___. I’m calling today about Fast Track trade authority. The Fast Track bill introduced by Rep. Camp would give away my representative’s authority to ensure we are not slammed with another dangerous trade agreement. I need to know that my representative is going to stand up for me and not give away the power to protect my interests. Stopping Fast Track and maintaining Congress’ constitutional authority over trade deals is especially important now, because President Obama wants to complete negotiations on the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) “free trade” deal this year.

    After years of secret negotiations, the leaked TPP texts reveal this deal would offshore our jobs and submit us to the jurisdiction of foreign tribunals that can order payment of U.S. tax dollars to foreign corporations that do not like our laws. Fast Track would let the president sign this deal before Congress even gets to vote on it and then railroad it through Congress with limited debate.

    It’s Congress’ job to fully vet trade deals and ensure they work for everyone. It would be irresponsible for members of Congress to give up their authority over trade when the TPP is lurking in the shadows.

    Would Representative ___{name}___ please commit to vote “no” on Fast Track?

  • Mel A Justed

    Interesting policy. Push the poor out of your state through regressive taxation. What a wonderful way to improve the numbers and take care of the “that sort of folks” problem. I wonder, though, which state will end up holding the bag on this one.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/pike024 Kelly A

    suckers!

  • Lonny

    This yellow journalism is so poorly sourced and biased, its worth no more than what I have just typed.

  • Lonny

    if you don’t understand liberty, no one can help you

  • Nancy Gomez

    If some of our politicians moved to another country, they would be in handcuffs and cold damp cells.

  • Anonymous

    Apparently you do not understand it either.

  • Mark Able Jones

    The difference is that the democrats at least understand what it would take to give everyone a fair shot at the American dream. Republicans have fallen for the lie that the poor are are lazy, even though the jobs of the poor are often physically and mentally exhausting. The media calls the growing wealth/education/debt divide in our society “social inequality,” but there’s a better word: exploitation. When one class lacks basic economic necessities like education, health care, and healthy food, that class it not free. It is a class of slaves, ripe for exploitation. If you can’t quit your job for six months knowing you’ll have health care and a livable income, you’re a SLAVE. Make no mistake, this is purposeful oppression by America’s aristocracy.

    “Necessitous men are not free men.” — FDR, 1944

  • Anonymous

    No democracy at work in NC but lots of Pope money being well spent for special interests.

  • Anonymous

    If you’d really take a look at what happened in 2000, you’d know that Core did it to himself. Did he ever mention the word global warming in any supportive way while a candidate? Did he support any progressive ideals? I think not. He gave us no reason to vote for him other than he was not republican.

  • Gerry

    Benghazi!

  • Anonymous

    “Make no mistake, this is purposeful oppression by America’s aristocracy” I agree with that statement, but if you really think that the Democratic party is your salvation you fell for the oldest tactic of all “Divide and Conquer”.

  • Anonymous

    “It’s Congress’ job to fully vet trade deals and ensure they work for everyone.” In reality it is Congress’ job to keep their JOB and do what the “money” tells tham to do. Please don’t expect no more.

  • Anonymous

    Yellow journalism ? In what way is it not factual? I’m waiting?

  • Anonymous

    I could b moving to North Carolina/ As a highly paid worker, I look forward to voting against Republicans and giving to any party that runs against them.

  • Anonymous

    I think taking a percentage of someones wages is fair. I make , probably 30 times what you do. When you’re trying to figure out how to buy a happy meal and make it feed your whole family, try to remember that you said it was fair, ok?

  • Anonymous

    Tell you what. You make those millions all by yourself. No labor involved. YOU earned it. When you’re paying them pennies and making dollars, no. YOU didn’t earn it. YOU should have to pay higher taxes than they.

  • Anonymous

    Liberty has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Try to stay on point. Deflection makes you look like some kind of kook.

  • Anonymous

    That’s not politics. That’s great marketing. Republicans are excellent at selling it. Just not so good at reality.

  • Anonymous

    Kiss my azz. God is absent. He hasn’t saved any of the poor in a thousand years. And it’s “Scheme”. God is for the scared and the stupid.

  • Anonymous

    Tell the truth, we should just ask the richest families in America what laws and taxes they want. Then charge the ten million a change. They do it already, but at least the people would get a little money back.

  • Stewart Moore

    Amen Brothers. Both parties.

  • erospawn

    I look forward to standing against you. I am a highly paid worker too.

  • erospawn

    Yes..Yellow Journalism.. This article is nothing more than half truths, lies and inuendo. I would think as a “highly” paid worker, you would at least know how to read and therefore could vet your information. NC significantly lowered its income tax rate… So, we’re paying way less in taxes than we have before..with the tax rates being so low, there was no need for tons of deductions..this includes the RICH you seem to hate so much. A little research would show you the truth.

  • erospawn

    “regressive taxation” , Umm, you do realize that NC just significantly lowered its income tax rates, right? No I don’t guess you did.

  • erospawn

    Income taxes went down in NC… I rather enjoy that because it means less taxes taken out of my paycheck.

  • Merrill Henderson

    It could be worse, we could be Democrats who voted for the Great Pretender and be sitting back while our fellow workers lose their jobs, our Ambassadors get murdered with no repercussions, or we watch as hundreds of thousands lose their insurance…….no wait, we don’t have to be idiotic Democrats, all Americans are getting to see this happening.

  • Anonymous

    You used the “Liberty” trope for deflection, were foiled, and now you’re calling a reality check a deflection. It’s obvious you have neither ethics nor morals/empathy. But, don’t you even have a modicum of decency, “Calamity?”

  • Anonymous

    Yep, the taxes are shifted from the richest to the poorest. What else would you expect where the richest are in control. Do you think they spent all that money to gain controll to shift taxes onto themselves? DUH! Sales taxes and gas taxes went up and income taxes (mostly on the higher earners) went down.

  • Anonymous

    Almost all the details of the TPP agreement have been kept sec ret, even from Congreszs. In other words, they are being asked to Fast Track an agreement about which they know nothing, and which the cannot vet!

  • Anonymous

    Best to end the EIC and just raise ther minimum wage to$15 and then peg it to a rate halfway between the rise in the true cost of living and the increase in productivity. IMHO

  • Anonymous

    The average IQ is 100 meaning half the folks out there have IQs less than 100.

  • outdoor_michael

    Finally some politicians 1- capable of performing basic math and 2- possessing testicles. Another reason to relocate to the beautiful State of North Carolina

  • Andrew C Livingston

    I can’t see why folks are not getting the picture: conservatism will kill people unless it is prevented from doing so.

  • JJ042804

    If Republicans keep acting the way they are, you wont be highly paid much longer, your job will be somewhere in China, Bangladesh, or some other third world Country and you will be on the street.

  • JJ042804

    Obamacare can be fixed, there is no reason to ruin the Country for it. We can get right on it, after we throw Republicans out of Office and out of the Country.

  • TheDroid

    The flat tax gives a minuscule break — under 1% — to most people, but a little more than 1% if you earn over $250,000. If you previously received the EITC, then you will make out worse. On top of the income tax changes are a number of additional sales taxes, one of which — a tax on college meal plans — has already cost me more this year than I will save. They are hoping you will notice the slight increase on your paycheck and ignore the rest.

  • JJ042804

    They wont vote “no” on the TPP, because the TPP is what their corporate “Con”sticuency want. Corporations sat in while the TPP was created.

  • Anonymous

    Wonder who voted in all those cold-hearted Republicans?

  • Anonymous

    Curious. I am not in NC so I wonder what the half truths and lies are in this article? I don’t see anyone saying that the tax rates quoted are not factual.

  • Tom Noel

    Uneducated people who vote for who is popular instead of voting for the candidates that actually have a good track record. It’s not hard to figure out. Then you have the people that vote the way their Daddy did instead of using their own brains and looking up the voting records of all of the candidates and making an educated decision. People in this country are either too stupid or too lazy to do the right thing. That’s the bottom line and that’s why this country is going completely to hell. It starts in one state, Then other states follow suit.

  • Tom Noel

    Don’t worry Fide Sed Cui Vide, those tax breaks for the rich will make it down to you in the form of trickle down economics. Have you not received your share of the trickle down yet? Yeah; me neither. Here is a clue. The next time you are considering going to the polls, look up the voting records of the candidates that are running. Use those voting records as a guide to casting that vote. Teach all of your friends to do the same. From what I can tell, the people of North Carolina are simply not doing their homework before election day and this is the end result. Get the word out. And if I were a resident of that state, I would be at the primary election, voting every one of those representatives out. Get them at the primary so they can’t run in the general election. But hey, that’s just me. What do I know? (This is not directed at you but at the uneducated people that are either too stupid or too lazy to look up information on the reps in your state.).

  • JJ042804

    Taxes are never meant to be a burden, Taxes are meant to keep the Infrastructure in good shape. Just look at Germany, or Norway, their Taxes are one of the highest in the World, but their Infrastructures are some of the best too.

  • Tom Noel

    Don’t worry, they’ll just push them down to Alabama, Louisiana, or Mississippi. You know, the other republican run states that are full of poor people on the government dime, that are too stupid to realize that a republican vote is a vote against their own interest. Remember this, the majority of people that are on welfare in this country; based on population, live in Southern republican run states. These people for some reason vote for the people that take from them every chance they get. And yet, they somehow don’t even know they’re doing it. I don’t get it. All you have to do is look up a voting record for the few candidates running in your district to know how to vote the right way and yet these people simply won’t do it. In the end, they are allowing this country to be eaten away from the inside out. The corporations and the wealthy are buying the government and the very people who’s ancestors fought so hard to be able to keep slaves are now becoming the very slaves their ancestors owned. Am I missing something here? Or is it they who are missing it? My God people! Crack a book! Read a little bit of information and get to the heart of what is going on.

  • Tom Noel

    If this was somehow beneficial to the people, do you think they would have done it? They did this to make it more beneficial to the revenue income level of the state. My guess is there are more people in the (and I use this term loosely, as we all know there isn’t much of one left), middle and lower class than there are in the upper class. This is why the legislature would make this move. They’re not going to make a move that is going to lose the state money and cause a shortfall in revenue, thus resulting in a deficit to the state budget. They know exactly what they’re doing. And in the end, those that make more money will reap the benefits, while those who are at the lower end of the income scale are the ones who will feel the squeeze. This is how the republicans have been operating. Cut medicare, cut medicaid, cut the SNAP program. And now they just increased the taxes on lower end of the income scale. They’re targeting the poor in your state. If you can’t see it, you’re too stupid to be voting and should stay out of the voting booth. You’re causing this country and your state more damage than good.

  • http://www.facebook.com/RPManke.solar RevPhil Manke

    All more reason to look at The Green Party or Independents. You do have other choices and it is becoming more clear they must be given a chance to restructure the Demublican and Republocrat monopoly on corrupt doublespeak.

  • JJ042804

    Who say’s that a new Party needs a lot of financing, the Internet is a great tool and really cheap. Also word of mouth can be a powerful tool too. Where is Americas ingenuity? Figure something out and make it happen. Where there is a will there is a way. If you want to keep the conversation going, leave a note.

  • http://www.facebook.com/RPManke.solar RevPhil Manke

    eurospawn, that’s what the article is about. A tax decrease for the wealthy! The lower income earners wind up paying more. You are one of the easy dupes for the Re-Con’s.

  • Tom Noel

    Do you have sources for your information? As far as I can tell, it’s the democrats that are voting down the TPP. Not the republicans. This is based on what little information I can get. Also from what I’ve been able to find, only the CEO of Honeywell was involved in the negotiations. And when questioned, he couldn’t answer any of the questions that were presented to him and as much as admitted it saying that he wasn’t qualified to answer those questions because he didn’t have the legal qualifications. I would love to see what secret information you have that I can’t find. So far most of what I can find is speculative at best. I know they’re trying to fast track it through, and that they need to be stopped, but from what I can tell, Harry Reid is the one who is putting the brakes on it until they have more information that the limited information that Obama is giving them. The democrats in the senate know what a disaster this will be to the job market of this country and they are aiming to make sure it doesn’t happen. The republicans however are looking at this as another means to higher corporate profits. Given that over half of our elected officials (including the president) are members of the millionaires’ club, who do you honestly think they’re looking out for? Do you think they are worried about whether John Q. Public has a job? Or do you think they’re looking at what is going to best pack their portfolio with higher returns on their investments. Understand this people. When the people who represent you are are part of the upper 10% and they aren’t making more than a lower 6 figure salary, there is an underlying reason they want that position. It isn’t to work for us. It’s to pad their own pockets. It’s as simple as that. If you find one that is actually working for the people, that’s a rarity. The upper 10% are working for their own self interest and in the end we are paying the price. This is what the end effect of the TPP is going to be. They will all make big money off of products made in other countries and we will all be here holding our peckers in our hands wondering what the hell went wrong and why we aren’t making a decent living anymore. REALITY CHECK! The American Dream that our grandparents knew is a thing of the past. That is unless we start standing up and fighting for ourselves. This is done at the polls. On election day, look for a candidate that isn’t part of the millionaires’ club. This means they are working for people in their earnings bracket. Look at the voting records, and the qualifications that they have. Look at what committees they have served in. This is how you get a good qualified candidate in a position of power. If you put a millionaire in a position of power, in most cases they are going to in some way shape or form, abuse that power. If you put an average person in that position, they are going to fight for those in their earnings bracket. There are exceptions and there are those that will get greedy, but for the most part, people work for those that are like them. This fast track thing is nothing more than another way for those in power to hold those of us who are not down. When you see this, you will start writing your congressional representatives and fighting against it. But, even if you do, chances are, they’re going to go against the wishes of the people anyway. As long as it doesn’t violate the laws of the constitution, they are going to do what they feel they have to do. Even if it is damaging to the very people who trusted them not to do it. In other words, unless we really start fighting we are screwed. The only reason they’re fast tracking this is so that it can go through before the elections in November. We can stop this. The power of the vote can speak volumes if we use it the right way. It’s time to use it.

  • Lou

    As a resident of NC I have seen the deterioration of political discourse as supposed “conservatives” have exploited fear, prejudice, and anti-people perspectives to gain political office. Now, these “conservatives” are revealing their true agenda, a distribution of state income to benefit the wealthiest North Carolinians at the expense of the middle and the poor. I don’t know how long their ability to steal our wealth will last, but I don’t yet see the political consciousness in our state population awakening and recognizing the particulars of the scheme.

  • Tom Noel

    Are you saying that the majority of the people who vote in North Carolina are rich? Are you out of your mind? I’ve been to that state and that couldn’t be farther from the truth. And yet, the republicans hold control in that state. This would indicate to me that there are indeed many uneducated poor people that are indeed voting republican, because they either vote by tradition, or they are too stupid to know better. Either way they are only hurting themselves every time they cast a vote for the republican party. The republicans work for the rich and the rich only. It’s been made more than clear that this is the case. It was made evident in the 80s when Reaganomics was put in to play. The idea that if the wealthy made more, it would trickle down to the poor and middle class and all would prosper. Yeah, we see how well that’s working out. Do me a favor and show me a poor politician that is IN office. Or at least one who was poor before they went in. You aren’t going to find one. And therein lies the problem. We elect the rich, thinking they’ll make things better. And yet, it is the rich that they wind up working for. This is too obvious! They do what they do to gain more returns on investments, and we, the working class and the poor are always left holding the bag. Wake up. They don’t give a damn about you. They’re in it for themselves.

  • Fide Sed Cui Vide

    I hear ya, Tom, and of course I agree, but in the way of “trickle down economics” there is SOMETHING to be said for suppy-side tax breaks … but not a just a whole lot. Demand-side economics (Keynesian) are a whole lot more effective. The supply-side theory as first voiced by Jean-Baptiste Say in the 1800s was and is a very naiive theory which basically says that if the owners of businesses are able to produce more then they will, and they will work harder to be able to buy things such that others will be able to buy their own products. There is very little evidence as well as weak logic to support that theory. If you give the rich tax breaks without incentives to hire and produce then most of that extra money will most likely just go to savings or the purchase of luxuries. If, however, we were to tie tax breaks to incentives, that could be a different story. Jean-Baptiste Say lived in a very different and much simpler world than today’s economy. There is what I think is a very nicely thought-out plan by a fellow in Charlotte, NC with whom I am acquainted and you can view it on his Web site. I wish people would listen to this fellow, as he makes a lot of sense. Go to http://www.h2omarkdesign.com/capital_gains.pdf to see how the concept would work … and I do believe it WOULD work.

  • Tom Noel

    Lonny, are you rich? Do me a favor and answer that question.

  • JJ042804

    There is a way! Lets say I run for Congress, but I don’t do any fund raising. While I promote myself being in favor of change and want to do away with campaign financing, I would use word of mouth and the Internet. Guess how much attention I would get with proposing laws that brings the Country back to health, while any opposing Candidate who uses campaign financing and raises Billions, would have to struggle to get a majority in votes. Money isn’t everything and with 99% of People in distress, the odds are in my favor, wouldn’t you think?

  • JJ042804

    Actually if I were able to get into Congress and able to affect change, It would give me a purpose and I would enjoy making my mark in American History. I don’t need Millions to have a good life, all I need is a meaningful Job with a decent income and a chance to make a difference.

  • Tom Noel

    Not only that, but do your research, just meeting a candidate isn’t the answer. You have to know their voting record and their background. I can meet you as a candidate and you might think I’m a great guy, but in the end, I might prove to only have the gift of gab, bullshit you blind and in the end have absolutely no qualifications to hold office. You have to be diligent in your information. If you’re not, in the end. You wind up with bad representatives who are only self serving. This is what we have today because far too many people are either too stupid or too lazy to do the research required to make an informed decision at the polls.

  • Tom Noel

    There have been many attempts at third party candidates trying to make a run for the white house, among other offices. They have always failed. In case you haven’t noticed, the Independents and the Tea Party have always wound up running on a republican ticket to gain a spot in office. Those who have tried to run on a 3rd party ticket have always lost. Like it or not, the American people are not willing to let go of the 2 party platform. The key to good representation is doing your homework and knowing who you’re voting for and what they stand for. The only way to do that is to get a good background on the candidates and research their voting record. I for one would like to know what income level they are sitting at. I have found over the years that if you put a wealthy person in power, they only fight for more wealth. If you put a person of smaller means in power, they fight for the people who put them in office.

  • Tom Noel

    A none of the above vote in the end, is a wasted vote. You may as well stay home and not vote. I don’t advocate that, I’m merely making a point.

  • JJ042804

    There is a catch in this whole deal and I’m not sure if Republicans and Corporate America hasn’t figured it out yet, because if the Economy tanks, the “mighty” dollar goes down the tubes too. Game over! As far as I can see it, the Economy is heading in that direction.

  • Tom Noel

    You are not correct. Democrats who continue to vote for moderate republican democrats are indeed a problem. The thing is, people tend to vote party lines. They don’t do the research necessary to get the right candidates on the ballot in the first place. If people would pay attention before the primary election, get the background and the voting records of all of the candidates that are running, and make an educated vote at the primary, we could eliminate the problem of the career politicians having a chance to run in the general election. We could get people in the elections that show promise to work for the people instead of having a bunch of self serving wealthy people running for office that only stand to serve the wealthy that are part of their exclusive club. When push comes to shove, most of the representatives that sit in congress right now, along with the president are part of the millionaires’ club and are only looking out for the returns on their investments. We need to eliminate the rich from our elected positions and put common people in those positions. Then, and only then will we have representatives that are working for the common man. The rich will serve the rich, so that they can get richer. The poor will get poorer and this country will be, before you know it, enslaved by the very people we trusted to look out for us.

  • Tom Noel

    If you really take a look at what happened, you’ll know that Gore actually won that election. You’re wrong. And he did mention global warming. What happened was the Bush family tied up the election in Florida. They tied it up for so long that Gore finally conceded to Bush. In the end it was determined that Gore had actually won both the popular vote and the electorate. To be honest with you. I would not have voted for Gore. I didn’t like him. I still don’t to this day.

  • JJ042804

    Correction, our Nation “houses” the richest People on Earth. Look around you, we are over $17 Trillion in dept to other Country’s, our Infrastructure is crumbling with a constant climb in unemployment or under employment and with wages falling instead of rising. I wouldn’t call that a rich Nation.

  • Tom Noel

    Because history has shown us over the years that the 3rd party idea works. Name one 3rd party candidate that has succeeded. It won’t work. The people won’t let go of the 2 party system. Here is a thought. Get credible information out to the people instead of propaganda B.S. like this. Get these informed people out to the polls, bring them if you have to. And then get GOOD candidates in office. Instead of all of the hash slinging that is going on, perhaps putting out positive, useful, credible information would do the trick. Then the people would actually know what to stand for. Instead, all I see are lies and negativity all over the social media sites and the internet. People need to get it through their minute little brains that voting without information is damaging, Not only to themselves, but to the entire country. READ UP ON THE CANDIDATES! Get their voting records. Learn their background. Then make an informed vote. Anything less is a disservice to all Americans. I do my research. I spend hours daily looking up information and getting to the truth of stories like this one. This story is a half truth at best. Instead of beating on a post like this with negativity, learn the truth. Spread the truth. Share what credible information you find and educate those around you. Until people learn how to educate themselves on who they cast a vote for, this country will remain in the state it is in. Once people actually start looking for and getting the truth, and using that truth to cast an informed vote, things might start to change. And here is another thought. Stop voting party lines. That is just as damaging as not getting educated. There are very good qualified candidates on both sides of the aisle. The trick is to know how to find them and get them in office. Find candidates that aren’t afraid to cross party lines when it comes to an issue. These are the candidates that know how to make government function. This bunch of dysfunctional people we have in Washington now, aren’t cutting it.

  • Tom Noel

    Why don’t you take them now? Since you’re so sick of the American way of life, perhaps you should leave. Do you vote here? If you do, and you’re soooo sick of the American process, go back to Europe. Cast your votes there. You are only damaging us by staying involved in our elective process. You aren’t going to stay so why be involved in what is going to affect the rest of our futures while you run off to your home country. We don’t need outsiders screwing up the process. We have enough of our own people here doing it.

  • Tom Noel

    You can go to Canada. All you have to do is cross the border and defect. You can become a Canadian citizen. Just don’t plan on being able to return to the U.S. From what my Canadian friends are telling me though, it isn’t any better there. They are controlled by an equivalent to the American Tea Party.

  • JJ042804

    It “is” a bad idea to pass the TPP. Wikileaks revealed that there was a high number of corporate advisers sitting in while the TPP was “hatched”. http://rt.com/usa/wikileaks-tpp-ip-dotcom-670/

  • Anonymous

    Please do. I’m sure people wherever you are now will appreciate the sudden increase in the state’s average IQ when you leave.

  • Tom Noel

    You hit that right on the head. Not only that but get people educated. Get good credible information on the candidates. Don’t dig up the dirt, but forward the information that focuses on the issues. Get information on voting records and spread that information to everyone you can. Don’t vote party lines, but vote based on the best candidate with the best record for working for the people. But GET THE INFORMATION AND SHARE IT! This is how you get educated voters. The information is available if you’re willing to work to get it. I spend hours every day digging for information on the issues that concern us. I get true factual information. Mostly by use of government websites and the reading of bills and laws. Do you want to know the truth about Obamacare? I can tell you. I read the law in its entirety. I have as much information as is available about the TPP. People need to do their own work. That’s the bottom line, Nothing you read through a news source or social media is EVER going to give you the whole story on anything. They are always going to lean to one side or the other and information will be left out. Read for yourselves. It’s how you get to the truth. Anything else is a discredit to yourself.

  • Anonymous

    Ero, you are so unbelievably stupid I can’t stop reading your comments. Thanks for the laughs!

  • Tom Noel

    You want real legislators in office? Get people that have law backgrounds. These are the people that SHOULD know how to craft laws and get them enacted. Having a businessman vote on a law is not conducive to getting effective legislation passed. And what we seem to have more of than not in our legislature is BUSINESSMEN! I personally think anyone who runs for a job that involves writing law should have to have a degree in LAW! It makes sense.

  • Tom Noel

    I don’t take wikileaks as solid credible information. It is a public forum. It is about as credible as wikipedia. Use caution when you see the work wiki in the name. It means it is open forum. I’ll wait until more credible details are made available. But thanks for your response. It’s nice to know you’re at least digging for information. That’s something far too many Americans aren’t doing. Have a great day

  • Thack

    They will train their replacement from India, China, etc, before they leave.

  • Tom Noel

    Exactly. What I see in this country is the total opposite. They give tax breaks to companies that move their operations outside of the country while leaving us scraping for a means to make a living. The whole concept makes no sense.

  • Tom Noel

    Great point. Look up the closing of the plant in Freeport, Illinois in 2012. The plant was a holding of Bain Capital. Once you look up that Freeport information, look up who has holdings in Bain Capital and then ask yourself why he lost the presidential election last year. Now keep in mind that while the Freeport plant was being closed, they brought in Chinese people to get trained in that plant by the people who were losing their jobs. And to top it off, while these Chinese trainees were here learning these jobs that they were taking away from the American workers, they flew a Chinese flag over an American flag in front of the plant. Then tell me who the other candidate was actually working for. And then to top it off he tried to deny why he moved that plant during the debates. People need to seriously wake up and look at the big picture here. They need to arm themselves with knowledge when they go to the polling place. Without that knowledge, and I mean credible knowledge. the situation in this country is not going to change, and as a matter of fact, is only going to get worse.

  • Anonymous

    Our state keeps voting for Doc Hastings even though few like his politics. :/

  • Thack

    Erospawn, it may have escaped you, but you have just used half-truths, lies and innuendo. The new tax laws going into effect in NC aren’t “way less” and the state is actually taking more from corporate taxes through more stringent collection efforts. Owners of many types of businesses lose a deduction on their first $50,000 of income, while home-related mortgage interest and property taxes are capped at $20,000 combined. A tax credit for child care expenses and on certain kinds of pension income is gone. A person having $50,000 after deductions will see a state tax savings of $600 over the year. that’s about $12 per week. That wouldn’t make up for the child care tax deduction. It’s not much of a break and when deductions are removed, the little guy, such as yourself, will be paying a smaller percentage of the larger amount left after the removal of deductions.

    If cons understood economics, they wouldn’t have bought into the “voodoo economics” of Red Ink Reagan.

  • Tom Noel

    Then you as a concerned citizen need to find out what is wrong with the other candidates that they would want this man in office. If you can show that there are other more qualified candidates, you need to get the word out. Don’t use negative, slanderous methods, but show the positives. If you can do this with credible information, you can see the vote turn and this man would/could be ousted.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    Did that but I guess people like the name Doc.

  • Thack

    The poorest states in the US starting with the lowest…1. Mississippi 2. Arkansas 3. West Virginia 4. Alabama 5. Kentucky. Tell me how having conservative leadership in those states has improved their economics? States with the highest live birth rate for women 15-19 years old… 1. Mississippi 2. Texas 3. Arizona 4. Arkansas 5. New Mexico. Need more?

  • outdoor_michael

    Given that I made the dean’s list at a major university I doubt your wish will come true. Unlike most believe, this debate is not about emotion but rather math. America has become a society which rewards mediocrity. The issue discussed here is but a very small piece of the much larger issue which in short is that a significant portion of society pawns off their responsibilities to other members of the group. A position that is unsustainable.

  • Thack

    If you don’t see a difference, you are either to young to know the political and economic history of our nation or you are too lazy to bother to read it for yourself. The democrats brought us Social Security and brought millions of over 60 citizens out of poverty. They created the national highway system to radically increase interstate commerce and grow the nation. The democrats instituted fair labor laws, safety laws, consumer protection laws, the “safety net”, and integrated the military of the US. The democrats fought for and passed the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts that ended Jim Crow in the South. Can you give me something comparable that the republicans have done? They were against every single one of these democrat sponsored programs. What have republicans done for us?

  • Fide Sed Cui Vide

    You’re quite right. That’s why this concept I mention should help. There will be no capital gains tax breaks for companies who hire outside the US, hire work visa employees or farm out work to other companies (although if those other companies hire Americans on US soil then THEY will get tax breaks). Read it and talk it up. If we can get this guy to run for Congress as he says he might do then all the better, but if we can at least get other candidates and incumbents to pick it up then maybe it stands a chance of becoming law.

  • Fide Sed Cui Vide

    It’s true that we haven’t been allowed to see much information about this potential treaty, and I find it strange that the President would back it if it gives so much aid and comfort to corporations at the expense of jobs in the US, but it’s true that it’s mostly Democrats opposing it or asking to slow it down. Something smells really fishy here, and I wonder why few details have been released. Regardless of its merits we shouldn’t be rushing into this thing.

  • Fide Sed Cui Vide

    Well that’s great logic to “opt out” and justify being politically inactive or ignorant.

  • Fide Sed Cui Vide

    And this is why there is a dire need for REAL campaign reform, not the kind of faux reform that Congress will only go for. PACs should be outlawed in the very least and contributions should only come from individuals with a cap on it as is currently. Even better would be to outlaw political spending and advertising unless it comes via those limited contributions (no personal funds allowed). And even better than that would be to outlaw ALL contributions and personal spending and independent political advertising with ALL campaign funds coming from government coffers. Give equal funds to each candidate backed by each political party with more than 100,000 registered members for each government office. The consumer pays for it all anyway. You don’t think all these corporations just absorb their political contributions as the “cost of doing business”, do you (rhetorical question)? They pass on those costs to you and me.

  • Tom Noel

    Yeah, that’s a great reason to vote for someone … lol. What state?

  • Tom Noel

    Exactly. If you know what you’re voting for you don’t get screwed. Know your candidate and know them well. If you don’t you will suffer in the end.

  • Fide Sed Cui Vide

    I’m afraid that won’t work as desired, Tom. As you point out, if you put the wealthy in office you’re likely to be putting in office those who have learned to “jack” the system or who have inherited their privileges and feel that they’re entitled. Lawyers are no exception in my opinion. You remember the joke about a trajedy being a bus with lawyers in it going over a cliff, don’t you. The punch line was “with one seat empty”. If you actually read legislation that goes through Congress most of it is not that complexly written, and it doesn’t need to be. Unfortunately it’s also true that some idiot Congressment don’t know how to write a law without unintended consequences, but that’s more of a problem with rational thinking than it is with legal training. An example of such a bill was put forward by Rep. Robert Pittenger (R-NC) from my home district. It’s called H. R. 1311 “The Kilah Davenport Child Protection Act of 2013″. Look it up on the net. I think it was probably well intended (not necessarily, as I know this fella Pittenger and wouldn’t trust him with a kitten, much less with governing), but if passed it would have often exactly the opposite effect that is its proffered intent.

  • dagobarbz

    The sad thing is, candidates are easily researched with creative google skills. Combining a candidate’s name with ‘abuses, bigotry, diapers, wide stance, homophobia, abortion rights” or any other issue in which you have an interest can provide you with information that will help people vote smart. Unfortunately, too many people are unaware that this can be done, and so vote with only a superficial knowledge of the candidates and issues.

  • William Smith

    if you mean the responsibility to treat employees with fairness and respect and the responsibility to pay your share of the national budget I couldn’t agree more

  • William Smith

    I agree with a lot of what you say tom but calling people stupid is not the answer either misinformed is not stupid but the wealthy do benefit from keeping people that way that is why education funding iss cut and t v ads are bought

  • Anonymous

    Washington.

  • Tom Noel

    Here is where I have a problem with that. People have the ability to get informed if they want to be informed. If they choose not to do so, they are in essence choosing to remain ignorant. There are only 3 reasons for this to happen. 1. They don’t care. ( A very dangerous attitude to have if you are going to vote. 2.) They take the words of others as truth instead of looking in to something for themselves. (Again, a dangerous practice, or 3.) They’re just plain too lazy to take the time to look it up. (In my opinion the most dangerous of all if they do actually show up to vote). Of course what I have found to be true is the ones that don’t care, usually don’t go to the polls and the ones that are lazy, probably don’t either. These are the ones that will complain until the cows come home, about what is wrong with this country, but will do absolutely nothing about it. However, because they choose not to vote, they are actually doing the country a disservice, but they aren’t creating the problem. They are just part of the problem. The ones that go to the polls and don’t get informed ahead of time in all 3 cases are the ones that are a problem to society. They choose to cast an opinion that affects everyone and yet they don’t really know what their opinion is. This to me is stupid. Not misinformed. Stupid. If you are misinformed, that’s one thing. But if you know 0 about something and yet choose to cast a vote that can affect the entire nation, you are acting in pure ignorance. At least having something to go on is better. The misinformed have the capability to get the facts if they want to. In most cases they choose not to. Again, a very stupid move.

  • sixchix

    Disgusting behavior on the part of those legislators. Keep it up, you short-sighted idiots! Keep brown-nosing the very rich at the expense of the working poor. Just remember, the “millionaires” whose butts you are kissing are out-numbered by the the growing ranks of hardworking poor– Remember what you learned in 11th grade history class? This is how Revolution is fomented. I hope those 900,000 working families–and everyone in NC who values a just society– stays put long enough to vote everyone of those (fill in your own expletive) jerks out of office! They do NOT represent the people!

  • sixchix

    So… You think being filthy rich is proof of excellence? Bankers who drove us into the ground and walked away with billions of dollars in severance packages–they earned those billions? C’mon! You made Dean’s List–you’ve GOT to know better than that! They were greedy, not deserving. Sociopathology does not equal superiority.

  • http://about.me/mikelince Mike Lince

    All true. Unfortunately, I believe the elite rich are diversified enough to withstand the collapse of our economy. Those who are in the top few percent of wealth holders but not quite in the elite category are looking at the last couple of great Mother Lodes of money, the Social Security Administration and the American taxpayer. Their goal is, of course, to privatize Social Security so that those funds would not be regulated. Add the increased tax burden of the American wage earner, and you have the cash and the credit of the U.S. Government to help line the pockets of the wealthiest Americans. Once those last major rip-offs are complete, only the wealthy will have to means to carry on.
    Matt Damon’s recent dystopian thriller, “Elysium”, was partly predicated on this theme of the wealthy elite and the have-nots, and the media revues were quick to pan the film as ‘socialist propaganda’. Haven’t we heard those words somewhere before?

  • outdoor_michael

    My reference to the dean’s list was simply a snide reply to a snide comment. As per monetary wealth, i see no correlation between it and IQ. I believe one question rarely discussed is, what role should money play in society/civilization? As per unethical conduct, take them out back and shoot them. The long term concern some have for America is that a growing percentage of the population have a sense of entitlement and these individuals pass it along to their offspring. My point here is larger and more broad than money.

  • sixchix

    Michael, you say the “larger issue” is that we have become a society that rewards mediocrity, and that “a significant portion of society pawns off their responsibilities to other members of the group. A position that is unsustainable.” Which portion of society are you referring to, how is mediocrity being rewarded, and what do you believe should happen?

  • David J. Russell

    North Carolina competing to become the most dickish state in the union.

  • Anonymous

    What
    you say is true, but most people have little time to do more than catch a TV ad,
    and the “fight” is ONLY in States that are swing States i.e. where the races are
    close. Then you have the problem of once in office, even if the guy feels he has
    a duty to his constituents he soon finds to keep the JOB he has to do what he is
    told or the “money” goes with the guy running against him. Without term limits I
    see the 1% solidifying total control of the country and bleeding it dry. The IRS is now trying to make the process of voter education more expensive by removing the tax exempt status of organization educating voters. Total control.

  • Anonymous

    I
    am 70 and have lived most of that. For years I was a Republican, What some
    people call today an Eisenhower Republican. I was reading Ayn Rand in Jr High.
    About 1965-70. there was a shift. The Republican Party was becoming the party of
    the 1%; no ideology other than “make as much as we can as fast as we can and pay
    as little as possible as slow as possible, at ANY cost. The Democratic Party
    held on to principal (I even became a Democrat starting with Clinton) until
    about 1994 after which most Democrats could be called Pro Choice Republicans.
    Anyway IMHO I see Congress as a bunch that are there for themselves and do what
    they are told to keep their JOBs. As one woman said “they are there to hand out
    treats.” The struggle is not Democrats vs Republicans but the 99% vs the 1%.
    The 99% is not doing so well. As a great man once said “what have you done for me latley?”

  • Sue Em

    No worries – I don’t vote and I am not screwing up the American voting process. I am involved because my children are Americans and so is my husband. I am interested in politics and alternative media and I am commenting because my friends never talk politics and only watch Fox News (its a lonely world).
    And by the way – I am not sick about the American process or the American way of life – but I am very appalled at certain austerity measures, policies, the demonizing of social programs, bank bailouts, superPACS and shifting money to plutocrats.

  • Bill Boughton

    Ezekiel 25:17
    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  • Anonymous

    Yes. I get it you prefer to have a dialogue over philosophical issues and right v wrong, neat and very cool.

    Meanwhile some of our largest employers pay folks wages so low that the rest of us have to supplement their workers salary because otherwise they would not have enough to eat.

    I’m sure that the children of the full time working poor who have no access to opportunity or education will be so pleased that we are having these philosophical tete-a-tetes – why just the steam coming from your wise and sage commentary will heat the homes of many who cannot afford to pay their heating bills.

    Oh, how I marvel at your beneficence, you are a truly great man and the Dean’s list to boot?

    WOW!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    By all means quit typing…

  • Anonymous

    Yes meanwhile all social services are being cut or curtailed, fees are going up and prices for services like wise.

    The ME ME ME ME inherent in Ayn Rand’s gospel of greed runs amok through the GOP and the lizard brains of those who have no sense of history or actuality.

    Farm subsidies allow farmers to produce more, food stamps allow stores, distributors, farmers, etc. to sell their subsidized goods and jobs are created economy moves forth.

    It is really quite simple, go check out Brasil, Colombia, or the crown jewel of Libertarian politics Somalia; or any of the myriad nations where “money talks” where the private sector is the only real mover in the economy and see what happens – as long as the private sector is booming, there are jobs, money etc. when the economy places the brakes – the lack of a social safety net sends those societies into a dark tailspin of crime, murder, kidnapping, hunger, misery and insecurity – revolutionary movements crop up and voila! “the market takes care of corrections”.

    Your lack of understanding of basic social history should haunt your very dreams, however since you are clueless…. you are not bothered by facts.

  • Lonny

    I personally love the knee jerk reaction.

    DPaul posted facts. Yet get thumbs down. All I see from the libs is ad-hominem attacks and lame attempt to use force to steal money from those who earn it.

    First off, Income taxes are a poor way to collect revenue.

    Secondly taxes were supposed to be used to repay the public for the use of goods and services use by such.

  • outdoor_michael

    Incompetent parents who pawn off their responsibilities to society are a significant drain on the group (mankind).

  • outdoor_michael

    Advice i give to those in school who will soon be entering the job market-
    “possess a skill which separates you from the pack then find someone who values your skill”. Yes, supply and demand fluctuates but far too many people lack a unique skill.

  • outdoor_michael

    Perhaps you should replace the term “conservative” with “flat earth society”?

  • Penny Pincher

    Gov McCrory was a moderate until he got in to office fooling many. This & Pope’s money won him the election. Now any potential district that may have had a chance to vote these bozos out of office have all been carefully gerrymandered making it next to impossible. Now what?

  • Irwin

    don’t believe everything you read just because it’s on the internet. All you need is to do the math and you’ll figure it out.

    Liberals, and the media, love to bring up stuff like this to get you all worked up… so don’t let them do it. Educate yourself Lou

  • Irwin

    Bill Moyers website is your best effort to make a point? Seriously? That’s like me using Fox News to make a point.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know what you use. I use several sources like LINKTV, FSTV, Aljazeera and Moyers.

  • Steve__T

    Exactly why I left!

  • Steve__T

    Was that for attendance?

  • Anonymous

    Yes please quit typing and go back to Drudge.

  • Anonymous

    Agreed, – I’m over 50 under 70 lol

    When I was a child any American worker could support a small family with almost any job, butcher, barber, mechanic, gas station attendant. Reagan convinced the middle class that minorities and the poor were gonna “take their stuff” so he was able to divide the working class and conquer.

    Decades later the true effects of the “supply side” “Trickle down economics” has born its noxious fruit – now days we have three people at the table, a billionaire a unionized worker and a Tea Partier; there are 10 cookies on the table, the billionaire takes nine, then he whispers to the Tea Partier: “hey look out, that damn union worker has his eyes on your cookie”.. then he walks away grinning while the Tea Partier attacks the worker.

  • Anonymous

    True, the really big winners in the tax change are the very high earners. The 1% so to speak. The aim is to raise the taxes on the upper middle class (there are a lot of them) and lower the tax on the 1%; Very few of them but large sums of money involved for each.

  • Anonymous

    More poor babies more workers, cheaper wages, more customers. What is wrong with that? The 1% want and will get this country to be just like India. Need term limits.

  • Anonymous

    One problem is that people talk about the tax rate and not the effective tax that people pay.I’ve never paid more then half to a third of my tax rate. One thing that dpaul doesn’t include in his #’s are how different types of income are taxed. Also need to add changes to the sales tax rates, what are taxed and the end of sale tax holiday and other fees that people pay.

  • steve whetstone

    You bring up a good point about taxes repaying the public for the use of goods and services used by such. Almost all the military and law enforcement is spent to protect and serve the 1% interests. People who can’t afford health insurance have no interest in geopolitical empire building and when polled overwhelmingly favor cutting the military and corporate subsidies and financing in favor of spending tax dollars on improving lives of the 99%.

  • steve whetstone

    FYI: be careful of using words like “revolution” in a public forum. You’ve triggered NSA to remember you by using that word and enough little triggers like that will get you on their attention list for a greater level of scrutiny with more resource dedicated automatic investigations and data collection. I think the general rule is once they’ve randomly noticed 3 “suspicious” actions, they automatically start consolidating through their database to see if there are more they’ve missed and what else they can find out about you.

  • steve whetstone

    Noam Chomsky, the most cited political scholar of our century, is a good source of education and honest info. Unfortunately, I have to advise you of your need to educate yourself on how money and media can manufacture consent and sway public opinion. He can demonstrate that though pervasive misinformation even a smart person can be deceived if they have other things they need to spend time on instead like a job or family or paying off student debts.
    .
    People are not stupid or lazy. They’ve learned they can’t be smart enough and determined enough in a day to filter out the lies and deception told to them in a day. They are smart enough to know when they are being given the run around and lied to by a group of people with superior media access. They are smart enough to know the $ profit made by misleading them is more then they have the ability to filter through as individuals.
    .
    You have fallen for the convenient myth that the problem is the people of the USA who aren’t doing their part. Your “bottom line” is straight from the corporate advancement over individuals playbook on how to induce apathy and exhaust the efforts of people who wish to change the status quo.

  • steve whetstone

    @outdoor_michael. Find a unique skill? That’s good advice to a rat trying to climb to the top of the pile, but poor advice for creating a national moral character that will build a nation.
    .
    I agree with you about the rich feeling entitled to a trained labor force for free that they have no commitment too. You’re right that the other ways the 1% feels entitled to takes advantage of the poor are morally reprehensible and inexcusable.

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